NB RolePlay...Seriously what the hell?

[Nagato..]

Nagato, I don't say more mods or less mods is the answer. But tell me, when you started working, did you get your full work speed and load and ease in your first few weeks? No. It takes time. That was just my point with it all. We need to get the full trottle mode on but that takes time. It may be the isseu of the RP but it was always like this: it takes time. And you know it was.

I could say plenty more but the result...meh. You make valid points in terms of the arguments and the objectives people have in the RP being messed up. Thats a given and we all know it. Heck, I check CJs... no one knows better than me what people try to get off with. Forbidden rank techniques without restrictions, putting restrictions that serve no real purpose other than trying to make us more prone to approved without actually restricting the technique, etc etc. People are obsessed not with the fight but with the desire to come up with a move or technique that no one can counter. That became the obession. At one point it was bios with basically all abilities that could be put into a bio. And statements that were then used to make the bios as oped as possible. Like Swift+leg weights+whatever else there would be to increase handseal speed, movement speed and what not to make is so that no one could catch the bio and simply die from it sneezing nearby. This might not be the core issue but it comes from it. And it pertains to the obsession about winning at all costs. No one conceeds in their fights. We all have witnessed it. And for me, from all the points in your op, this is the one that plagues our RP the most.

Very true, and I think Im quite satisfied where this thread has gone. Im just hoping that it opened some eyes to the truth, or should I say I hope it opens the eyes of the ones who needed to hear or read some of the things we talked about. We just cant pretend these things dont exist or they will just fade. We need more solutions, thats all.

Thanks to everyone who expressed their thoughts.

 

[Negative Knight]

Nagato, I don't say more mods or less mods is the answer. But tell me, when you started working, did you get your full work speed and load and ease in your first few weeks? No. It takes time. That was just my point with it all. We need to get the full trottle mode on but that takes time. It may be the isseu of the RP but it was always like this: it takes time. And you know it was.

I could say plenty more but the result...meh. You make valid points in terms of the arguments and the objectives people have in the RP being messed up. Thats a given and we all know it. Heck, I check CJs... no one knows better than me what people try to get off with. Forbidden rank techniques without restrictions, putting restrictions that serve no real purpose other than trying to make us more prone to approved without actually restricting the technique, etc etc. People are obsessed not with the fight but with the desire to come up with a move or technique that no one can counter. That became the obession. At one point it was bios with basically all abilities that could be put into a bio. And statements that were then used to make the bios as oped as possible. Like Swift+leg weights+whatever else there would be to increase handseal speed, movement speed and what not to make is so that no one could catch the bio and simply die from it sneezing nearby. This might not be the core issue but it comes from it. And it pertains to the obsession about winning at all costs. No one conceeds in their fights. We all have witnessed it. And for me, from all the points in your op, this is the one that plagues our RP the most.

Sadly its human nature to be that power hungry, when i first heard of CJs i was intrigued but noticed the sheer amount of OP techniques that get submitted, when reading through almost an entire cycle i noticed that not many supplementary or ordinary jutsus are submitted.

The culture of winning is the thing contaminating the RP system, if there was some sort of way for people to disregard trivial occurrences in their battles, then almost all problems surrounding the system would cease to exist. One time, i saw a member called Howard battling, honestly he is the ideal RPer. He plays without raising arguments, he has a Custom Element yet doesn't solely rely on it, concedes and moves on if the person is obviously too obsessed with winning and even doesn't go all out in battles against lower ranking members so they can learn from that battle, best of all he doesn't regard winning highly but the battle experience itself.

Maybe the RP system can be fixed through Senseis/Senpais encouraging and instilling in their new students a informal rule of respect when battling. This won't fix the current state of things, but in the long run would eventually become prominent when a new generation of RPers are the main body of the system.

 

[Kawagiri]

Nagato, I don't say more mods or less mods is the answer. But tell me, when you started working, did you get your full work speed and load and ease in your first few weeks? No. It takes time. That was just my point with it all. We need to get the full trottle mode on but that takes time. It may be the isseu of the RP but it was always like this: it takes time. And you know it was.

I could say plenty more but the result...meh. You make valid points in terms of the arguments and the objectives people have in the RP being messed up. Thats a given and we all know it. Heck, I check CJs... no one knows better than me what people try to get off with. Forbidden rank techniques without restrictions, putting restrictions that serve no real purpose other than trying to make us more prone to approved without actually restricting the technique, etc etc. People are obsessed not with the fight but with the desire to come up with a move or technique that no one can counter. That became the obession. At one point it was bios with basically all abilities that could be put into a bio. And statements that were then used to make the bios as oped as possible. Like Swift+leg weights+whatever else there would be to increase handseal speed, movement speed and what not to make is so that no one could catch the bio and simply die from it sneezing nearby. This might not be the core issue but it comes from it. And it pertains to the obsession about winning at all costs. No one conceeds in their fights. We all have witnessed it. And for me, from all the points in your op, this is the one that plagues our RP the most.

yeah, the speed thing is what I was getting on about earlier... you hardly saw moves without any comparison to gate speed a few years back. It was kind of a sudden shift in customs as before eig became popular people were just completely obsessed with power.

And as for restrictions I also agree, I used to see silly restrictions and mostly people thought limitted usage such as once per battle was enough. I don't think I've seen any customs negative effects or restrictions as harsh as some of mine. one has a turn limit of 4 of my turns after use... if I don't win within that time the jutsu kills me instead.

 

[ekkla]

tsk its why i shyd away from it
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nice thread

 

[The Western Wheel]

Never been into RP. I read it like a concerned upright human expressing oneself's feelings. Respect!

*bow*

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

claps i agree with all of it it even reminds me of my exp, and i find that teh fights i don't argue it are normally the most fun of all. but it is a corrupt system sometimes all we do want is power and tahts why i agree with everything you said because i believe it to be true from my exp. i hope this thread ends up changing soemthing

 

[Abon]

Man if i could rep you 5X's i would just because i love the the absoulute truth in this thread. Their isnt a point in the thread i didnt read and didnt agree whole heartedly with. Your insight on the NB's current roleplay status is so much like my own, i felt like i was reading my own thoughts

And im sure that alot of other NB memebers felt the same too, and is true. NB members feel they have to grovel for training and tbt training is really scarce around here and im glad and greatful i found some one to train me. But it did take awhile just because it seemed like no one was taking any students. Or just didnt feel like training even though thats their job as a sensei. This why i hope to move up in RP to become a sensei for oncoming members. i really dont feel i would be turining people down without reason. And i would finish training as promptly as possible. And im not just saying this.

I too feel a strongly about RP, and would love to progress in my RP life and have fun. But it was really hard to get things rolling, hopefully not anymore!

Your thread actually motivated and inspirational at most. It motivated tme to keep going because, thats why i stopped getting on for a little while because i didint feel like i was getting anywhere seriously. i hope my future RP exsperinces are enjoyable and fun ones!

 

[Kawagiri]

Man if i could rep you 5X's i would just because i love the the absoulute truth in this thread. Their isnt a point in the thread i didnt read and didnt agree whole heartedly with. Your insight on the NB's current roleplay status is so much like my own, i felt like i was reading my own thoughts

And im sure that alot of other NB memebers felt the same too, and is true. NB members feel they have to grovel for training and tbt training is really scarce around here and im glad and greatful i found some one to train me. But it did take awhile just because it seemed like no one was taking any students. Or just didnt feel like training even though thats their job as a sensei. This why i hope to move up in RP to become a sensei for oncoming members. i really dont feel i would be turining people down without reason. And i would finish training as promptly as possible. And im not just saying this.

I too feel a strongly about RP, and would love to progress in my RP life and have fun. But it was really hard to get things rolling, hopefully not anymore!

Your thread actually motivated and inspirational at most. It motivated tme to keep going because, thats why i stopped getting on for a little while because i didint feel like i was getting anywhere seriously. i hope my future RP exsperinces are enjoyable and fun ones!

please don't say things like that about senseis, while some may not be taking students, the amount of requests can be unreal. They'd have to spend all day every day training people. yes some may be fairly innactive but those that are active and are swamped with work should still have some free time to enjoy NB or they'll leave or give up senseiship.

 

[Bhil]

The power hungery RPers are just crazy, the other day one of my MSN friend told me to go to Suna because it would be easy to get OP.

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Nevertheless, this thread was an eyeopener for me, now I know that I'm not the only one who is losing interest due the baloney in RP.

 

[AnimeIsPerfection]

I came here not knowing what I was about to read. My first thought was "...wall of text..." and after the first paragraph, I couldn't stop reading.

Ya know... I havn't really gotten involved in any serious RP but I agree with everything you say. In fact, it amazes me (to a point of deep gratification) that you posted something so astoundingly meaningful. On some threads that could be considered similar to this, some might post (and I too, am guilty of it): this won't change anything. However, I believe that you have touched the minds of the people on NarutoBase. This will certainly cause people to think differently.

So, thank you, thanks a lot. It's so good to know that someone here really cares about this community.

 

[Anduril]

@ Blue

My bio has been sitting in the section since September 21... Do you see me complaining?

Ive had a CE pending since 2011 and I waited patiently for Nexus to review it with me, only to tell me to have Caliburn check it... Do you see me complaining?

Yes I do have large amounts of patients to wait a complete year without bugging people about things...some call me crazy. I just dont have time trying to bug people constantly about things when I know theyre being worked hard.

Dude my bio is in there since 18th september!!! BURN!!! (And who said I is complaining O_O)

Now, dude my point with that point is that I have patience too U_O
Oh and CE's usually take time. I agree with that.

 

[Waltz]

Excellent thread. I have been here a year now and although i have just made my first Bio, i've been observing the RP section and as you say say The power hungery RPers are just (O_O). Senseis and students should have the same social level, but it dosen't feel that way at times. It's like the Non mod/admin level of the base is divided into...God Members and Pawns.

 

[Scorps]

Gotcha ^^

On another note, what is the situation with members who don't actually teach any more, yet wear the orange coloured name? I could name three of them; they're not breaking any rules or denying training since they're not actually active, but shouldn't they step down as senseis, and put up new enthusiastic senseis who actually want to help out now since inactive senseis are almost wasting the time of other members who need training.

I presume you guys are doing a fine job reading the sensei applications of course, but I think, it's almost deceiving having members pop up with the title of sensei who don't actually RP or teach anymore.

Totally missed this. Sorry.

Again, report the issue and we will evaluate it. We remove and revamp the sensei list from time to time, taking out inactive senseis or senseis who don't train. If you see a sensei who hasn't trianed in ages, report the issue. 2 things can happen: he can either have already notified us that he'll be inactive for some time and as such we don't simlply remove him like that, or he is online but not training and as such might lose the sensei status. We'll evaluate the situation but part of the job is yours as members as well, to report issues. We will ook at them and evaluate them. Reporting is essential in many matters. And instead of doing so through VM/PM to a specific mod, do so using the report button. Its the right and viable way.

 

[Wakizashi]

i love this! the arguments suck all the fun out of rp. one thing i would like to address is why some sensei simply ignore the request than simply saying no. i know that there is a rule on not bothering or pestering a admin or mod but in all actuality we as the requesters feel that we should for admins mods and some times sensei to respond. if we get an answer whether it be a yes or a no we will be satisfied rather than being ignored like we are a nuisance.

 

[Scorps]

i love this! the arguments suck all the fun out of rp. one thing i would like to address is why some sensei simply ignore the request than simply saying no. i know that there is a rule on not bothering or pestering a admin or mod but in all actuality we as the requesters feel that we should for admins mods and some times sensei to respond. if we get an answer whether it be a yes or a no we will be satisfied rather than being ignored like we are a nuisance.

That is because of 3 things you're missing:

-First you have no idea of the request volume each staff member has. And sometimes, sensei's aren't that different. I logged of last night at home at 22h00. Today i Login at work at 10h00. How many notifications? 29. And thats in a slow day. At first I replied to every single vm and pm. Took about one hour per day for that at times. Then i gave up on all the vms or pms that are utterly nonsense or simply a result of lazyness. We have a sub forum for bio rules. We have tons of stickies. 90% of all answers are found throughout the base. I took it upon myself to reply only to things or issues that only I can reply (I as a mod) because its too much at times.

-Second you disregard that that rule is made to avoid 10 vms of the same question. Or pestering behavior. Or abnoxious behavior. I once got 18 vms of the same member in one night asking the same question: "How can I make a Nagato bio?". That rule is made to avoid that.

-Third is simple. We sometimes don't see the vms or pms right away. or even miss them. Its the blunt truth. If you get 50 vms to read, some are bound to be buried or simply missed.

 

[Wakizashi]

That is because of 3 things you're missing:

-First you have no idea of the request volume each staff member has. And sometimes, sensei's aren't that different. I logged of last night at home at 22h00. Today i Login at work at 10h00. How many notifications? 29. And thats in a slow day. At first I replied to every single vm and pm. Took about one hour per day for that at times. Then i gave up on all the vms or pms that are utterly nonsense or simply a result of lazyness. We have a sub forum for bio rules. We have tons of stickies. 90% of all answers are found throughout the base. I took it upon myself to reply only to things or issues that only I can reply (I as a mod) because its too much at times.

-Second you disregard that that rule is made to avoid 10 vms of the same question. Or pestering behavior. Or abnoxious behavior. I once got 18 vms of the same member in one night asking the same question: "How can I make a Nagato bio?". That rule is made to avoid that.

-Third is simple. We sometimes don't see the vms or pms right away. or even miss them. Its the blunt truth. If you get 50 vms to read, some are bound to be buried or simply missed.

for your efforts i commend you and all mods and admins...

when we request something. at first it's not to pester you. and i know as a mod you are going to get a lot of questions and request. im not saying that it's simple and im not saying that it's not a hassle. all im saying is that when questions are not answered that's when all the insanity comes into play.

just thought i needed to address that since the attention was drawn here.

 

[Gdamon]

0.o ...

i would read what you wrote but i have a naruto chapter to read...

 

[Umari Senju]

Nagato...

Let me start off by saying Thank You. I am REALLY new to NB and have the rank of Genin. And I love the fact that you, the sensei, and Moderators take so much of your time to make this an enjoyable site to visit. With that said I am very excited about the aspect of RPing and eventually battling other RPers for mainly fun. I myself, am not interested in having an OP bio because, you are right-where is the fun in RPing when everyone you run across is far too weak to even allow you to test your abilities to their limits? This is one of the major reasons why I am choosing to become a Samurai and not a shinobi.

While, I love the fact that moderators have placed restrictions on obtaining certain jutsu, KG, SM, etc. I often found myself getting fustrated by the sheer number of restrictions that have been placed on new members such as myself. I don't complain about it because I get it, I am a genin, but there in lies the trouble:

As a genin I find I am so restricted that one of the most important elements about creating a truly unique bio has been stiffled by the sheer number of limits. Take the 8 Inner Gates for example:

When I ask if a samurai could learn the 8IG I was told no. This is fine in itself as we have not seen a samurai use it in the manga, anime, etc. But why do you have to be such a high rank to even begin training in it? Rock Lee was a genin when he learned to open the 1st 4 gates. Should not the same rules apply to any genin wishing to study this path? it doesn't even have to be up to 4 gates. I thinking like: As a Genin you can unlock the 1st gate. As a Chunin you could get up to 3 gates and so on. This would do 2 things:

1) people who wish to learn the 8 inner gates can begin enjoying the path they've chosen without completely obliterating other members who are the same rank as they are.

2) this gves them a reason to strive for mastery of this path, which keeps them returning.

Now, I'm not saying they should immediately have the 1st gate right from creation. I think having to find a Sensei to trainin you in this is great and should continue as it will keep things balanced.

Maybe the answer is a system of experience points? Maybe if you have to have a set amount of points to be able to aqcuire the right to train in certain jutsu or acquire SM, etc might help? I don't know. I can't say I have any answers(especially ones that you have not already read a billion times)

But i digress. The point I am trying to make is that it would be nice to be able to create a bio while I am a genin and watch my character develope along with my time spent on NB. This is one of the main reasons i have yet to submit my first bio. having to wait until I post 4,000 posts just to even begin to use even average jutsu or techs is rather discouraging and takes a great deal of fun from the RP aspect of this site.

 

[Umari Senju]

So I was reading Scorp's thread entries on this matter and he does bring up several valid points. I much assumed that it must take a painstakingly long time to review, approve, deny, and respond to a great deal of submission in the RP section alone. So my question is:

Why is there not a currency/experience(or chakra level) system in place to balance out what Genin-Sage people learn? you know like" You can't learn Sage Mode without being Ranked a Jonin/have a set amount of experience, train at one of the mountains, etc. or You can't carry exploding tags or kunai without puchasing them with Ryo won in battles, or given by Sensei etc.

Does that make sense? Would that just create way too much work or would that not take away some of the burdon of apporving so many jutsu, weopons and such?

As far as CJ....I have no idea what to do about that. You guys and girls seem to be the authority on that, and it seems like your system of approval/diapproval in that regard works best.

As for member battles: woudn't placing restrictions on the battles like Genins can only bring 3 jutsu into battle maybe 1 low rank weopon like a kunai or exploding tag(if they purchased them) and then depending on Rank, be allowed only a set amount of turns before the battle is offically over? Here is what I have for example:

Say A genin fights a Chunin

The genin gets 5 moves and the Chunnin gets 7. Why? Because the Chunin is higher ranked and thus has more Chakra reseves gained from training and higher experience.

Now, being a Genin he can only use 1 element, and 2 basic ninja tools (exploding tag, kunai, smoke bomb, etc) and 1 substitution/counters. He only has 5 moves to use what he has at his disposal.

Now the Chunin also can only use 1 element, can carry 2 basic ninja tools, and 1 substitution/counters, but has 7 moves to use them

Now what they bring into battle is only known to the member and whoever is moderating the fight. This keeps the jutsu, weapons, etc a mystery to the other opponent Which allows the weaker opponent (the genin) a chance to win against a stronger opponent, depending on how much of their chakra is used to execute their moves.

Wouldn't this reduce the amount of arguments on who won as the Jutsu/Chakra/Tools available during the battle were already selected and approved by whoever is moderating the fight?

I don't know, I'm just thrownig out some possible solutions to help with some of the arguments. Just a thought....

 

[ChiefHermit]

tl;dr
why so serious
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