[Discussion] Naruto's way, the only route to peace

[vasu 32]

and one more thing,obito's[unless he is not planning sth. else] and madara's way of peace is the only way to achieve peace because there is no such thing as true peace.

 

[Mr Hiru]

and one more thing,obito's[unless he is not planning sth. else] and madara's way of peace is the only way to achieve peace because there is no such thing as true peace.

You just sound like Obito. Dude, you have me goosebumps .-.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Naruto is the type of guy who would still want to change Obito I think.
Didnt he want to learn of Obito's resolve? I think he asked Obito in the past, but Obito went like ''I am nobody, it doenst matter who I am'' didnt he? Or at some later point in time.
Calling Obito evil does show that Naruto still has some growing up to do in that part, that I can agree, however, even a great mind like Shukaku's father mentioned to Naruto, to not bother with trying to change Obito.

There's no need trying to change him, Obito is probably the most passionate character in the story- but Naruto never gave Obito's side of the story a chance and his simple brain didn't even try to process the moral conflict going on, I promise you that Naruto does not know what the Moon Eye Plan will entail and that the user dies with the jutsu, he never even tries to ask and just keeps hitting things with rasengans and later, bigger rasengans.

It's a shonen fight anime, I don't really ask for much more but the fact that Kishi is trying to be all smart and bring in the 'way to peace' theme really annoys me if he's not at least going to do it right. Naruto's plan to peace is to defeat all evil with his friends without anyone getting hurt right? There's not one time Naruto has fought a wide scale battle with others involved and nobody got hurt. Toads got seriously hurt. Neji died. Hinata, Kakashi & lots of people in Konoha got murdered. There is going to be more and clearly that stupidly optimistic mindset has been proven to not be applicable to the real world or even the Narutoverse :') Naruto will end up like Hanzo if he keeps aiming for this 'American Dream' utopia

 

[HiraishinFTG]

This just occurred to me while reading the responses to this thread - what if the answer to peace in the Naruto world is Naruto and Sasuke working together and complementing each other's styles? Because a measure of both is needed in reality. This seems like a possible ending to the manga to me now that I think about it...

 

[vasu 32]

@meownverse
that is sth. for kishimoto to decide how they will use it.
obito already gave naruto a platform to achieve peace through love by uniting the 5 great nation through power using madara's name and threat of the bijuus.this was the example or forshadowing of what is about to happen.

 

[darkprince]

There is no such thing as true peace.peace is never permanent because whenever there is love there is hate.
Kishi is not showing us ways to acquire peace but by showing naruto's efforts for peace he is telling us that we should at least try to create a peaceful world.nothing could be gained without effort.

 

[saw2097]

I would take Naruto's plan over the others.

 

[Nous]

Naruto's is the most unrealistic way. Obito's way is plausible but Sasuke's is the most applicable. I think Sasuke's interpretation of peace is similar to Nagato's way of thinking prior to his change of heart.

 

[xcoyote]

Sorry, I still see nothing wrong with Obito's way. The end result is literally the perfect answer and it's ridiculously easy to achieve if there weren't these idiots in the way.

Naruto acts like some prophet peacefighter striving for peace but he only learnt of peace in the last year. Much stronger and smarter ninja like Hanzo, Hashirama & Pain aimed for the same goal and failed. It's the fact that Naruto's goal is just unrealistic, he has no idea the peace conflict going on in this fight- he just sees a massive bad guy and is just throwing everything he has at it.

He shows no interest in learning of Obito's resolve and immediately declares him as 'evil' I forget the quote but when told about the moon eye plan's actual final goal Naruto just says something like "IM NOT GONNA BE STUCK IN SOME LAME ILLUSION!" He's thick. And if he is the one who restores peace to the ninja world, he doesn't deserve it.

Obito is that you?

ot:lol at people saying sasukes way is the easiest one,read the manga then proceed to comment plz,the FREAKING BIJUS cant die !

 

[vasu 32]

@hirudora
i sound like him 'cause he is really some character i can relate myself with through my life expierence and his ideals and logic is the most realistic in the series beside nagato.
i mean,no one just wakes up one morning and say alright i'm so happy that i'm gonna **** this world,not even the greatest terrorists.they have a reason,and kishi through his villains just want to depict this factor.no one is born evil,atleast i don't know a infant,the circumstances change them.the only thing that doesn't work is tnj factor,but that's what kishi is trying to change through his work "naruto" and that's why i love naruto more than any other manga because villains in those are just totally jerk who r just born evil,it's just so unrealistic.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

This just occurred to me while reading the responses to this thread - what if the answer to peace in the Naruto world is Naruto and Sasuke working together and complementing each other's styles? Because a measure of both is needed in reality. This seems like a possible ending to the manga to me now that I think about it...

Whilst this DOES make the most sense it really couldn't work because the same mistake has happened before. Twice.

Hashirama and Madara ended badly and Hiruzen and Danzo ended badly. Two people can't run the village it seems, especially 2 with such different ideas.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

obito is that you?

RINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN :c

 

[vasu 32]

@hirudora
i sound like him 'cause he is really some character i can relate myself with through my life expierence and his ideals and logic is the most realistic in the series beside nagato.
i mean,no one just wakes up one morning and say alright i'm so happy that i'm gonna **** this world,not even the greatest terrorists.they have a reason,and kishi through his villains just want to depict this factor.no one is born evil,atleast i don't know a infant,the circumstances change them.the only thing that doesn't work is tnj factor,but that's what kishi is trying to change through his work "naruto" and that's why i love naruto more than any other manga because villains in those are just totally jerk who r just born evil,it's just so unrealistic.
there really is no such thing as hope and it really is just a biggest deception of all.

 

[saw2097]

Naruto's is the most unrealistic way. Obito's way is plausible but Sasuke's is the most applicable. I think Sasuke's interpretation of peace is similar to Nagato's way of thinking prior to his change of heart.

Not really, Sasuke's plan requires the destruction of the Tailed Beasts but that's impossible, Tailed Beasts will eventually reform and come back after being killed.

So Sasuke's plan is actually impossible.

 

[xcoyote]

There's no need trying to change him, Obito is probably the most passionate character in the story- but Naruto never gave Obito's side of the story a chance and his simple brain didn't even try to process the moral conflict going on, I promise you that Naruto does not know what the Moon Eye Plan will entail and that the user dies with the jutsu, he never even tries to ask and just keeps hitting things with rasengans and later, bigger rasengans.

It's a shonen fight anime, I don't really ask for much more but the fact that Kishi is trying to be all smart and bring in the 'way to peace' theme really annoys me if he's not at least going to do it right. Naruto's plan to peace is to defeat all evil with his friends without anyone getting hurt right? There's not one time Naruto has fought a wide scale battle with others involved and nobody got hurt. Toads got seriously hurt. Neji died. Hinata, Kakashi & lots of people in Konoha got murdered. There is going to be more and clearly that stupidly optimistic mindset has been proven to not be applicable to the real world or even the Narutoverse :') Naruto will end up like Hanzo if he keeps aiming for this 'American Dream' utopia

lol i am freaking Obito fan,but he doesnt even deserve a chance seriously no matter what his goals are eternal peace and shit,the guy has been on a murdering rampage since the day Rin died,he is scam the end.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

lol i am freaking Obito fan,but he doesnt even deserve a chance seriously no matter what his goals are eternal peace and shit,the guy has been on a murdering rampage since the day Rin died,he is scam the end.

Yeah you're right, Obito killed the jinchuuriki specifically just because he was mad and wanted to let off some steam. Sure.

Obito became corrupted and sick of life but can you blame him? He was sick of the bastardised ninja world they live in, that way of thinking can't seem unreasonable. Naruto had no idea what his endgoal was, Obito never killed anyone out of spite other than the jonin who kidnapped Rin, everyone after that shock moment was a threat to his plan or a smart, predetermined move to achieve his goal.

 

[Meowazziel]

Yeah you're right, Obito killed the jinchuuriki specifically just because he was mad and wanted to let off some steam. Sure.

Obito became corrupted and sick of life but can you blame him? He was sick of the bastardised ninja world they live in, that way of thinking can't seem unreasonable. Naruto had no idea what his endgoal was, Obito never killed anyone out of spite other than the jonin who kidnapped Rin, everyone after that shock moment was a threat to his plan or a smart, predetermined move to achieve his goal.

He killed Torune to see how Edo tensei worked. He could have used a zetsu clone instead of Foo and he could have made Kabuto summon someone else instead of Torune.
He controlled Kurama and let him wreak havoc on the village. Which caused the death of lot of villagers.

He most likely controlled Yagura and made him mass kill kekkei genkai shinobi.

And he commanded several people, who caused deaths as well (which is caused by him indirectly).

Not all these deaths were necessary for his plan or were they according to you?

 

[xcoyote]

Yeah you're right, Obito killed the jinchuuriki specifically just because he was mad and wanted to let off some steam. Sure.

Obito became corrupted and sick of life but can you blame him? He was sick of the bastardised ninja world they live in, that way of thinking can't seem unreasonable. Naruto had no idea what his endgoal was, Obito never killed anyone out of spite other than the jonin who kidnapped Rin, everyone after that shock moment was a threat to his plan or a smart, predetermined move to achieve his goal.

Tobi is scam based on his actions,people think he does what he does because of Rin,if Tobi wanted Rin he could have easily manipulated Nagato to use Rinnei tensei to bring her back,i give him that he is not selfish and he is passionate about his ideals and the tsukuyomi plan ,and you got me wrong because after all thats the purpose of a villain is to be scam to disgust us,i think kishimoto created a beast of a villain and lets hope he doesnt make this another "nagato fiasco" the next chapter.
I think he has run the show since the very beginning and he deserves to be the final villain.
I can sympathize with him with everything that happened to him but still his actions are not justifiable,but also not selfish at all like others say.

 

[PuyuPuyu Bacon]

I think Kishi's real goal is a little bit of peace here, hence Naruto's trying so hard for it.
But he wants to make it interesting somehow with his weird thinkin.
Maybe he is not killing ALL of the characters that used to be..ya know, "dark"...hmm because that would SUCK so bad.
But if that's not the real goal here, Imma call it bullshit for me because things are mostly going "good," yet who knows if anyones planning somethin..
I think that from now on, Kishi shoud cut all the jump back and forth pull and push and get to the point and/or make his decision!!!!!!!!!
TONTON Puyuu~:bouncy:

 

[uchihajaime]

This just occurred to me while reading the responses to this thread - what if the answer to peace in the Naruto world is Naruto and Sasuke working together and complementing each other's styles? Because a measure of both is needed in reality. This seems like a possible ending to the manga to me now that I think about it...

Exactly! This is how I want Naruto to end.
If Naruto's plan could work in the ninja world, then it would have been successful back when the Sage choose his younger son. However, it did not work because there were other wars after that. In addition, Sasuke's plan is morally wrong, and did not work with the elder brother or Danzo.
So, Naruto and Sasuke need to fight and understand themselves through their fists. Naruto needs to win. However, then he needs to stop making the mistakes of past. Unlike the First Hokage, Naruto needs to offer his hand to a defeated Sasuke and say that he will keep holding his hand out for Sasuke until he takes (like he did at the Waterfall of Truth), and Sasuke needs to take his hand.
Since they now understand each other, they should point out the flaws in each other's plans and come up with a better plan.
Yes, in the real world, there will never be peace. However, in something as idealistic as Naruto, I think it's possible if Naruto and Sasuke work together to achieve it.