Naruto's Second Element is Wind

[chopsy16]

well you dont now it mite differ with the amount of wind and water like this:
haku:
uses 10 of water chakra
uses 5 of wind chakra
making ice since ice is cold water

while
uzumaki
uses 10 of wind chakra
uses 5 of water chakra
making hurricanes and wirlpools since in that its more water in movement that needs more wind for it to happen

Well if u want to call a hurricane or a whirlpoor a kekke genkai... then yea thats fine.. but it doesn't sound so real.. the bloodline limit is a seperate identity.. like a sharingan.. a byakugan.. Ice.. or wood..
compare all those to a hurricane or whirlpool.. sounds more dynamic then something as static as Ice or wood...

Like to make ice u need to have a perfect quantity, a mixture of water and wind... So if 10 of water and 5 of wind makes Ice.. then thats set.. and only those with bloodline abilities can do so...

if u mix 10 of wind and 5 of water to make a whirlpool or hurricane.. that will be an elemental combination more like wat kakuzu does.. fusing the 2 elements to make attack stronger.. he had wind and water chakra.. so y cudn't he make Ice with it.. because he didn't have the bloodline limitations despite possesing the 2 elements

Perfect example is Yamato.. if he uses 10 of earth and 5 of water to make wood.. thats that and it is set.. only he can do so because he has the bloodline limit or ability to do so... Kakashi can also use water and earth elements... so if he uses 5 of earth and 10 of water.. he can only make MUD out of it.. wich can be called elemental combo or fusion.. if you remember anime.. (yamato did make mud from earth and water to drown that Earth using guy in that whole Sora arc.. I think it was)

I don't think Kakashi can use 10 of earth and 5 of water to make wood.. caz he doesn't hav the bloodline ability.. he cud use other percentages of earth and water (although he hasn't shown that ability as yet).. to make mud or swamps.. but to use the exact quantity to make wood is not possible unless u hav a bloodline limit..

so same goes with wind and water.. whn combined in that perfect ratio by those with bloodline limit.. it can only b used as Ice.. If there is another real element or something static that comes out combining those 2 elements.. I don't know.. A whirlpool only sounds as a combo of wind and water.. callin it a kekke genkai.. I don't wanna buy that yet!!

 

[Vergil..]

Well if u want to call a hurricane or a whirlpoor a kekke genkai... then yea thats fine.. but it doesn't sound so real.. the bloodline limit is a seperate identity.. like a sharingan.. a byakugan.. Ice.. or wood..
compare all those to a hurricane or whirlpool.. sounds more dynamic then something as static as Ice or wood...

Like to make ice u need to have a perfect quantity, a mixture of water and wind... So if 10 of water and 5 of wind makes Ice.. then thats set.. and only those with bloodline abilities can do so...

if u mix 10 of wind and 5 of water to make a whirlpool or hurricane.. that will be an elemental combination more like wat kakuzu does.. fusing the 2 elements to make attack stronger.. he had wind and water chakra.. so y cudn't he make Ice with it.. because he didn't have the bloodline limitations despite possesing the 2 elements

Perfect example is Yamato.. if he uses 10 of earth and 5 of water to make wood.. thats that and it is set.. only he can do so because he has the bloodline limit or ability to do so... Kakashi can also use water and earth elements... so if he uses 5 of earth and 10 of water.. he can only make MUD out of it.. wich can be called elemental combo or fusion.. if you remember anime.. (yamato did make mud from earth and water to drown that Earth using guy in that whole Sora arc.. I think it was)

I don't think Kakashi can use 10 of earth and 5 of water to make wood.. caz he doesn't hav the bloodline ability.. he cud use other percentages of earth and water (although he hasn't shown that ability as yet).. to make mud or swamps.. but to use the exact quantity to make wood is not possible unless u hav a bloodline limit..

so same goes with wind and water.. whn combined in that perfect ratio by those with bloodline limit.. it can only b used as Ice.. If there is another real element or something static that comes out combining those 2 elements.. I don't know.. A whirlpool only sounds as a combo of wind and water.. callin it a kekke genkai.. I don't wanna buy that yet!!

there's another way to produce wirlpools and hurricane's and that's heating water wich then makes current's of wind acumulate and reach great speeds and that what hurrican would be done.
but i dont think naruto will have a keke genkai because to be a clan it isnt needed to have a bloodline limit like the senju that were called senju because they could use all kinds of jutsu so i think the uzumaki clan is the same but they specialize in the use of water or wind perhaps or both because they have that affinitie to wind and water.

but to your post yeah how they make element fusion is something that mite not be leveled in terms of wich element u use more but u nows

 

[GriffinofKonoha]

Sorry. I needed to create a new thread from

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... so that my theory can be discussed, rather that in a free-for-all format.

My theory is that Wind is Naruto's SECOND nature element... here is my train of thought...

1. Naruto is son of the Minato. Minato was a genious, and in Jiraiya's words "one that comes around once every several generations.
2. Naruto was slow learning any type of technique. We later learn that the Kyuubi's influence was a disturbance inside of Naruto, preventing him from controlling his chakra.

Given the above 2 statements...

1. Naruto learned Wind manipulation over the equivelant of about 2 or 3 years with Shadow Clone training. This length of time is what it takes for other ninja to learn their 2nd Nature Element.
2. Naruto has genious in his blood, along with the given affinity for Water Element from his mother. So why Wind... and why the long period of time needed to master Wind?

Given the above 2 statements... lets look at the Kyuubi again.
1. The Kyuubi is of a Fire nature. IE "The Wind Burns"
2. Naruto is able to withstand and hold back the Kyuubi's chakra (of a Fire nature) extremely well... according to Kakashi. But how? Why?

Given the above 2 statements... this is why...
1. Naruto's PRIMARY element is Water! The water nature chakra is what "extinguishes" the Fire nature of the Kyuubi, and balances it out. This is the only logical conclusion I can make, based on the information we have at this time, without making another illogical theory.
2. This internal battle between Naruto's Water element and the Kyuubi's Fire element, is how Naruto is able to overcome the Kyuubi's chakra, unconsciously.
3. This is why Wind was able to come to the foreground, infront of Water. Naruto's Water nature is sooooo burdened by the Kyuubi, that it becomes a secondary affinity.
4. When Naruto battles underwater... he is able to move at incredible speeds. Faster than any normal ninja. This is his subconcious affinity for water coming to the surface.

Naruto at this point has only focused on Wind, because that is why the chakra paper showed his affinity to be. However, as he gains the power to control the Kyuubi, the easier it will be to manipulate Water nature element. I am not saying Naruto would have an easier time training with Water... just the opposite, because of the Kyuubi's influence. However, I do believe that learning Water element could enhance his ability to control the Kyuubi... it would go hand in hand...

Well thats it... any ideas?

While I do agree that Naruto's other element is water,
1. It didn't take him 2 or 3 years to master wind element. It took a few days. Now if he did it without Shadow Clones it would take years but that's not what happened.
2. It's not like he actually has fire in him and it is being put out with water inside of him.
3. There is no evidence that Kyuubi's element is fire. I would think that it is wind considering " a single swipe of one of its nine tails can raise tsunamis and flatten mountains" That sounds like wind to me. Fire doesn't flatten mountains or create tsunamis.

 

[Holy Cowboy]

I have yet to see any reason as to why Kyuubi is considered fire. We all know of telekinesis and what is can do, right? Make it visible and add a few non-elemental characteristics ( act like poison, chakra being very intensive versus human chakra ). Voila you have the kyuubi power, cloak and all.

You can flatten mountains and raise tsunamis via 'non-elemental moves'. DBZ blasts all over the place. The OMGPWN ball from 4/6/8 tailed Kyuubified naruto.

 

[Cash]

While I do agree that Naruto's other element is water,
1. It didn't take him 2 or 3 years to master wind element. It took a few days. Now if he did it without Shadow Clones it would take years but that's not what happened.
2. It's not like he actually has fire in him and it is being put out with water inside of him.
3. There is no evidence that Kyuubi's element is fire. I would think that it is wind considering " a single swipe of one of its nine tails can raise tsunamis and flatten mountains" That sounds like wind to me. Fire doesn't flatten mountains or create tsunamis.

I looked up how many days it took Naruto to learn to MASTER the wind element.

The mastering of wind, was training to "cut the waterfall in half."

During the training, Kakashi was laying on a wooden bench, and kept track of how many days passed by scratching a tally in the wood.

Naruto mastered wind element in... 6 days with 200 clones. If we do the math, and assume Naruto trained 12 hours each days...

365 days/year X 12 Hrs/Day = 4,380 Hrs/Year

200 SC X 12 Hrs = 2,400 SC Hrs/Day.
2,400 SC Hrs X 6 Days = 14,400 Total SC Hrs.
14,400 Total Hours of Training / 4,380 Hrs/Year = 3.29 Years

It would have taken Naruto 3.29 Years to MASTER wind nature, without using shadow clones.

Given this statement... I am not sure the average time it takes a shinobi to learn their FIRST element... but isn't 3.29 Years a LONG TIME? This is why I am suggesting that it is his SECOND element.

In regards to the Kyuubi being fire element... I didn't mean literally fire. The chakra has the properties of fire. Choji, Sakura and Sai all have said that the Kyuubi cloak makes the wind "burn", and even burned them.

Kakashi stated, "Naruto somehow is able to withstand that terrible chakras damaging his body". I am attributing this ability to withstand the Kyuubi's damaging chakra, with the "fire extinguishing ability, of water natured chakra". Those of you saying that it was the shinigami seal that lets him withstand that chakra don't make any sense. It is also Not a Kekki Genkai because it requires molding 2 of your own chakra elements together to create an entirely different element.

 

[Holy Cowboy]

Unfortunately, assuming is just that assuming. Cause Naruto could have also been working at night while the jounin were asleep and all that jazz. What with the 'get sasuke back high' and all that.

Naruto's ability to withstand the chakra can be chalked up to the 4th and how he designed the seal. A bit of the kyuubi chakra is always mixing with Naruto's and got better as Naruto's body got stronger, aged, and matured.

Also to consider would be chakra control as part of element manipulated. We all know how the kyuubi seal screwed Naruto over in that department.

 

[Cash]

Unfortunately, assuming is just that assuming. Cause Naruto could have also been working at night while the jounin were asleep and all that jazz. What with the 'get sasuke back high' and all that.

Naruto's ability to withstand the chakra can be chalked up to the 4th and how he designed the seal. A bit of the kyuubi chakra is always mixing with Naruto's and got better as Naruto's body got stronger, aged, and matured.

Also to consider would be chakra control as part of element manipulated. We all know how the kyuubi seal screwed Naruto over in that department.

It might be long. But this theory of mine completely breaks down how the Kyuubi was sealed using the shinigami jutsu on Naruto compared to Sarutobi when he used it. Also I theorize how it is possible for Naruto to use the Kyuubi's power. I think you are alittle off on your understanding.... no offense intended... really

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[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Sorry. I needed to create a new thread from

You must be registered for see links

... so that my theory can be discussed, rather that in a free-for-all format.

My theory is that Wind is Naruto's SECOND nature element... here is my train of thought...

1. Naruto is son of the Minato. Minato was a genious, and in Jiraiya's words "one that comes around once every several generations.
2. Naruto was slow learning any type of technique. We later learn that the Kyuubi's influence was a disturbance inside of Naruto, preventing him from controlling his chakra.

Given the above 2 statements...

1. Naruto learned Wind manipulation over the equivelant of about 2 or 3 years with Shadow Clone training. This length of time is what it takes for other ninja to learn their 2nd Nature Element.
2. Naruto has genious in his blood, along with the given affinity for Water Element from his mother. So why Wind... and why the long period of time needed to master Wind?

Given the above 2 statements... lets look at the Kyuubi again.
1. The Kyuubi is of a Fire nature. IE "The Wind Burns"
2. Naruto is able to withstand and hold back the Kyuubi's chakra (of a Fire nature) extremely well... according to Kakashi. But how? Why?

Given the above 2 statements... this is why...
1. Naruto's PRIMARY element is Water! The water nature chakra is what "extinguishes" the Fire nature of the Kyuubi, and balances it out. This is the only logical conclusion I can make, based on the information we have at this time, without making another illogical theory.
2. This internal battle between Naruto's Water element and the Kyuubi's Fire element, is how Naruto is able to overcome the Kyuubi's chakra, unconsciously.
3. This is why Wind was able to come to the foreground, infront of Water. Naruto's Water nature is sooooo burdened by the Kyuubi, that it becomes a secondary affinity.
4. When Naruto battles underwater... he is able to move at incredible speeds. Faster than any normal ninja. This is his subconcious affinity for water coming to the surface.

Naruto at this point has only focused on Wind, because that is why the chakra paper showed his affinity to be. However, as he gains the power to control the Kyuubi, the easier it will be to manipulate Water nature element. I am not saying Naruto would have an easier time training with Water... just the opposite, because of the Kyuubi's influence. However, I do believe that learning Water element could enhance his ability to control the Kyuubi... it would go hand in hand...

Well thats it... any ideas?

This is an old theory. The moment I saw your thread I knew where it was going before reading it.
However, I think his 2nd element will be water not because of the Kyuubi, but because it contrasts Sasukes fire element. He has the Wind element which can "keep a flame going and burn stronger", and he needs a Water element to counter his flame attacks. As of now, other then Amaterasu, Sasuke does not have any high level fire release attacks, so his rasenshuriken would PROBABLY work against him. I think Naruto will master water elements to the extent the 2nd could, probably because of his shadow clone training. Its one of the few theories I've ever really made guys...so cut me some slack.

 

[Realtwisted]

This is an old theory. The moment I saw your thread I knew where it was going before reading it.
However, I think his 2nd element will be water not because of the Kyuubi, but because it contrasts Sasukes fire element. He has the Wind element which can "keep a flame going and burn stronger", and he needs a Water element to counter his flame attacks. As of now, other then Amaterasu, Sasuke does not have any high level fire release attacks, so his rasenshuriken would PROBABLY work against him. I think Naruto will master water elements to the extent the 2nd could, probably because of his shadow clone training. Its one of the few theories I've ever really made guys...so cut me some slack.

I douth the will happend, Kishi always want to keep Sasuke and Naruto balance.

 

[Holy Cowboy]

It might be long. But this theory of mine completely breaks down how the Kyuubi was sealed using the shinigami jutsu on Naruto compared to Sarutobi when he used it. Also I theorize how it is possible for Naruto to use the Kyuubi's power. I think you are alittle off on your understanding.... no offense intended... really

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So far the shinigami summon seems to be a 'you give your soul for eternity and you get a wish fulfilled' with some fine printing like ability to carry it out etc. When Sarutobi did the summon, he expressed wished for a certain thing to be done. To carry it out, he had to have the ability to carry it out. The 2 hokages were able to be sealed away. However, he met with a lot of difficulty with oro due to quite the list of factors, so he changed his wish around a bit before while he still could.

4th summoned the death god and apparently busted out a big list ( insert comic long paper here ) of what he wanted done for his soul and how he wanted it done. We will find out more of the 5w s and the h later on.

Kyuubi was sealed into naruto to protect him and be made use of later on in his life. The seal was designed to allow a bit of chakra to always mix with Naruto's and that more of the youkai's chakra would come out in deathy situations and extreme emotions for the time being. Gradually, Naruto would be introduced into 'more actively' tapping into it. During this whole shindig, it makes naruto's jutsu ability a living hell to deal with because of majorly screwing up chakra control ability ( it didn't help that Naruto was a delinquet in classes either ).

Jiraiya apparently wasn't really 'present' much when the explanation on how the seal worked was given out, but he sure as how found out a lot about it during the time skip.

'Half' ( unknown if figurative or literal ) of the chakra was put in naruto and the other half in that frog scroll while the 4th was able to sneak in 'quality time' at specific times. If the seal breaks, the complete kyuubi gets free. Minato stays in death god bellytown cause Minato got what he wished for.

None of this points to Kyuubi's element ( if he one which so far can be chalked up to yin/yang as a default ) or Naruto's second element ( which so far ain't gonna be fire).

What's hard to understand about it?

 

[seansean00]

I think that the nine tailed fox should get some kind of edge over naruto and the seal he has bean through so much and deserves something

 

[sakum0n0leonmccash]

man i remember why i make fun of you... your evidence doesn't support your theory at all. you think so weirdly man