[Discussion] Naruto's Hidden Kekkei Genkei

[narutosharingan]

Ok So If That's True When Orochimaru Seal His Kyuubi Chakra Why Was'nt He Able To Release It In Any Intense Battle After That??Cause Haku And Sasuke Were Able To Use It At A Young Age

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Naruto Powers Already
Unlimited Chakra(Kyuubi)
Sage Mode
Kyuubi Powers
Itachi's Powers
kyuubi + Sage Mode= Fusion

It might not have come out then because he wasn't in much emotional stress at the moment. and we still don't know if sage mode and kyuubi fusion works or not because remember it disrupts naruto's chakra

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

It might not have come out then because he wasn't in much emotional stress at the moment. and we still don't know if sage mode and kyuubi fusion works or not because remember it disrupts naruto's chakra

Only To A Certain Extant Even When Fightning Neji He Had Full Control Of The Kyuubi Chakra Only When Hittin The Cloak Form Naruto Starts To Become Unstable Even When Pein Threw The Chakra Bar In His Stomach He Said You DId That Are Purpose That Makes Me Believe He Can Control It Both To A Certain Extant

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Even Frog Pa Stated That If Your Chakra Isnt Stable Enuff You Cant Go Into Sage Mode And He Still Did Even With The Kyuubi Chakra Sipping Out

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[cryhwks]

Ok So If That's True When Orochimaru Seal His Kyuubi Chakra Why Was'nt He Able To Release It In Any Intense Battle After That??Cause Haku And Sasuke Were Able To Use It At A Young Age

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Naruto Powers Already
Unlimited Chakra(Kyuubi)
Sage Mode
Kyuubi Powers
Itachi's Powers
kyuubi + Sage Mode= Fusion

because the kyuubi was still inside him the chakra was still there i think naruto's power is behind the kyuubi in the cage

 

[Blizzard589]

It might not have come out then because he wasn't in much emotional stress at the moment. and we still don't know if sage mode and kyuubi fusion works or not because remember it disrupts naruto's chakra

I think he'll figure out a way to balance it. First he balanced physical and spiritual energy. Then he balanced shape manipulation and wind nature. Then he balanced physical, spiritual, and natural energy. I'm pretty sure he'd be able to master balancing physical, spiritual, natural, and kyuubi energy to become insanely strong.

Or maybe it's like this: since kyuubi chakra is still just chakra (albeit more sinister), he could increase his amount of chakra so that when he balances the chakra with the natural energy, he would have to take in a crap load more natural energy to enter sage mode. Fukasaku showed the diagram of how the 3 energies (physical, spiritual, natural) have to be perfectly balanced. So the amount of natural energy one can take in and balance is directly proportional to the amount of chakra that person has. So when Naruto pulls out some Kyuubi chakra, his amount is skyrocketted and he'd be able to take in much more natural energy and sustain Sage mode indefinitely.

For those who still don't get it,

To enter sage mode you need 3 equal parts to make a whole so 3/3

physical 1/3 or ~33.3%
spiritual 1/3 or ~33.3%
natural 1/3 or ~33.3%

Since phys and spirit energies together make chakra,

chakra 2/3 or ~66.6%
natural 1/3 or ~33.3%

Let's say Naruto's sage mode is 150 units

100 units chakra (~66.6% of 150)
50 units natural (~33.3% of 150)

If Naruto pulls out 100 units of kyuubi chakra making total chakra 200, he would need to bring in 100 units of narutal energy to balance it in Sage mode

200 units chakra
100 units natural

Giving him 300 units of energy total doubling the length of his Sage mode.

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[Hosenka]

There was this theorie naruto could get the sage's descendants eyes, but I can't find this theorie anymore, can someone link it to me? (it had something to do with naruto achieving perfect ying yang balance with the kyuubi's chakra and getting the sage's descendats sage form and eyes

 

[KASTAWAY]

i think he'll figure out a way to balance it. First he balanced physical and spiritual energy. Then he balanced shape manipulation and wind nature. Then he balanced physical, spiritual, and natural energy. I'm pretty sure he'd be able to master balancing physical, spiritual, natural, and kyuubi energy to become insanely strong.

Or maybe it's like this: Since kyuubi chakra is still just chakra (albeit more sinister), he could increase his amount of chakra so that when he balances the chakra with the natural energy, he would have to take in a crap load more natural energy to enter sage mode. Fukasaku showed the diagram of how the 3 energies (physical, spiritual, natural) have to be perfectly balanced. So the amount of natural energy one can take in and balance is directly proportional to the amount of chakra that person has. So when naruto pulls out some kyuubi chakra, his amount is skyrocketted and he'd be able to take in much more natural energy and sustain sage mode indefinitely.

For those who still don't get it,

to enter sage mode you need 3 equal parts to make a whole so 3/3

physical 1/3 or ~33.3%
spiritual 1/3 or ~33.3%
natural 1/3 or ~33.3%

since phys and spirit energies together make chakra,

chakra 2/3 or ~66.6%
natural 1/3 or ~33.3%

let's say naruto's sage mode is 150 units

100 units chakra (~66.6% of 150)
50 units natural (~33.3% of 150)

if naruto pulls out 100 units of kyuubi chakra making total chakra 200, he would need to bring in 100 units of narutal energy to balance it in sage mode

200 units chakra
100 units natural

giving him 300 units of energy total doubling the length of his sage mode.

That's what i'm thinking.

i understand what your saying but would it not be 400

200 chakra and 200 natural to have balance, but if he just uses a two part solution unlimted nine tails + unlimted natural= no time limit to sage mode
it would just take some practice outside of battle , like when goku first found ss mode, it took to much out of him to go to that level so he did everything in it and gained more control over it. I think the same will hold true for naruto. He must learn to do his every day activities in sage mode to make t last. I think the sage of six paths was able to be in sage mode full time because of his body, naruto has that body so he just has to take sage mode thAt far.

 

[Blizzard589]

i understand what your saying but would it not be 400

200 chakra and 200 natural to have balance, but if he just uses a two part solution unlimted nine tails + unlimted natural= no time limit to sage mode
it would just take some practice outside of battle , like when goku first found ss mode, it took to much out of him to go to that level so he did everything in it and gained more control over it. I think the same will hold true for naruto. He must learn to do his every day activities in sage mode to make t last. I think the sage of six paths was able to be in sage mode full time because of his body, naruto has that body so he just has to take sage mode thAt far.

Did you not read my math? 1/3 physical, 1/3 spiritual, 1/3 natural is what Fukasaku explained to us. I just simplified it to 2/3 chakra because physical and spiritual makes chakra (and 1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3 in case you didn't know). So going by that, there is more of the users chakra than there is natural energy when in sage mode. Twice as much to be exact. And yes, theoretically Naruto could have infinite chakra and thus infinite sage mode if that is indeed how it works. But he would still have to meditate for a long time to absorb all the energy from his surroundings.

 

[Takeo]

I really doubt that kishi will give naruto a KG. It just doesnt seem like it would fit the story very well... but then again, I'm not Kishi lol... so what I think wouldn't fit the story, he may think fits perfectly .

What I see happening in the future is:

1: KB defeats kisame/gets samehada
2: KB attacks konoha, finds naruto, decides to train him to control the kyuubi. using samehada to calm him down when he gets out of control.
3: Teaches naruto swordsmanship during his kyuubi training
4: I read in a theory that Itachi's gift to naruto was sword with special properties.(i'll try to find the theory a little bit later.). And naruto learns to use his wind chakra to make it better.
5: Naruto creates a fusion of kyuubi mode/sage mode making him even more insanely strong.

(Can you imagine a Kyuubi/sage naruto with a wind-chakra sword that can pretty much cut through anything to begin with? kind of scary.)

I personally don't think that naruto will learn much more than that in the manga. Though it would be nice to see naruto learn at least 1 other wind-type jutsu than FRS... it's deadly, sure. But it doesn't seem like it would be something you'd want to rely on... (too easy to dodge imo).

Edit: Thinking about the whole sword kyuubi/sage wind chakra thing... i really hope he doesnt learn to shoot wind-chakra out of it as he slashes... would be too much like ichigo in bleach -.-.

1: kyuubi= Ichigo's hollow
2: Sage Mode= Bankai
3: Shooting wind chakra from sword= Getsuga Tensho

-.-

 

[narutosharingan]

Only To A Certain Extant Even When Fightning Neji He Had Full Control Of The Kyuubi Chakra Only When Hittin The Cloak Form Naruto Starts To Become Unstable Even When Pein Threw The Chakra Bar In His Stomach He Said You DId That Are Purpose That Makes Me Believe He Can Control It Both To A Certain Extant

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Even Frog Pa Stated That If Your Chakra Isnt Stable Enuff You Cant Go Into Sage Mode And He Still Did Even With The Kyuubi Chakra Sipping Out

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Yes but you have to remember that naruto doesn't have control over the 9-tails yet and the pic you showed of naruto in 9-tail and sage mode it was just for a little moment which might have been caused due to rage.

 

[yusufms]

Yeah Someone Posted Something Like This Already But i Dont Think Naruto And Haku Are From The Same Clan Cause At A Young Age Haku Began Manipulating Water So Why Has'nt Naruto?? I Do Believe Naruto Has Earth Affinity In Him And If Naruto Does Have Those Two KG Then He Would Be Over Powerfully Strong

if someone can control two elements then it wouldnt really matter which one he starts controllong first, would it?

 

[Shibuki]

Good theory to who ever made the theory but I do not really like the idea that Naruto has a KB. Its alright if its not too much of all mega powerful one like he withstand poison from the Kyubi or something.

 

[FlashKID124]

that was an awesome read.. thanks for the post!!

 

[Akаsh]

Interesting read.

Certainly something to think about.

yes it is.

 

[NineTailedSage]

Ok So If That's True When Orochimaru Seal His Kyuubi Chakra Why Was'nt He Able To Release It In Any Intense Battle After That??Cause Haku And Sasuke Were Able To Use It At A Young Age

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Naruto Powers Already
Unlimited Chakra(Kyuubi)
Sage Mode
Kyuubi Powers
Itachi's Powers
kyuubi + Sage Mode= Fusion

Probably because of the amount of chakra needed to seal the kyuubi.
His keke genki has probably always been on. Suppressing the kyuubi chakra while leaving the rest of Narutos chakra whats not being used for combat.

So what Naruto has been using as his own chakra is maybe 1/4 of his true ability.
Without the Kyuubi he is most definitely a monster in his own right.