Re: Naruto is kind of awful in a way.
How many did characters chang their ways only by TNJ?
Mizuki- nope. He didn't change at all.
Zabuza- more than TNJ it was Haku's death which proved his weak point.
Gara- not exactly- He was defeated in the battle first- he just recognized that "when you are not fighting just for yourself it makes your resolve slightly stronger". And there are better ways to make oneself matter. May not be true for everyone but quite true in many others so a valid point.
Orochimaru- few months of imprisonment kind of made him look a bit retired. But he is a master at TNJ himself- manipulating so many talented kids to follow him.
Kabuto Yakushi- was put in a loop till he got his thought straightened out.
Sound Four- died in battle
Kimimaro- succumbed to his illness
Itachi Uchiha- died when he wanted to die and how he wanted to die and stayed dead.
Kisame Hoshigaki- No TNJ for him.
Deidara- No tnj.
Sasori- No tnj
Zetsu- no tnj No one even tried..
Hidan- got burried while talking..
Kakuzu- killed off
Nagato-- was easy to manipulate to begin with. Had followed Yahiko till he died and then Tobi used him indirectly taking over Akatsuki putting ideas in his mind. He was strong but a follower at core. Yahiko, Tobi, Itachi, Naruto - all four who had stronger personal conviction than him could lead him.
Konan-- Had no personal reason to fight and she didn't like Tobi anyway
Obito- Lost the battle first. Only question was how to spend his remaining moments. He chose to try to redeem some of the mistakes. It was either that or to remain a defeated pawn ( that he turned out to be once Madara showed up and took over. It was better for him to show that some fight was left in him and he had enough of strong personality to not let himself be a toy of Madara/Zetsu.
Madara- Defeated by his own carelessness out of arrogance.
Kaguya- No one even tried to ask her what her problem was. She wanted all the chakra and others didn't want to return. Too powerful to stall using chit chat or reason with. Case closed.
Sasuke- Wanted to lash out at someone- got into a brawl with Naruto in the end and lost to a stronger conviction and will.
I probably forgot about a bunch... but I doubt TNJ was that important in their case either..
When I look at the list it's those who really were affected by talk were the once had somewhat similar ideals like Natuto which they lost due to personal tragedies but deep down still longed for the good old days and wished thee wishes had come true. Nagato followed Yahiko. If Yahiko would not have been taken out- it would not have been easy for Tobi to take over Akatsuki.( it would be an interesting story how Tobi, Danzou and Hanzou came together- Danzou knew both of them to an extent- enough to worry about Tobi more than Sasuke)
Either way- point is you are over simplifying facts to the point you are ignoring how detailed most villains are instead of customary power seeking and be done with a punch.
That was the main message- resolve the issue by sharing views and trying to find a middle path rather than violence if possible. Isn't it?
How many did characters chang their ways only by TNJ?
Mizuki- nope. He didn't change at all.
Zabuza- more than TNJ it was Haku's death which proved his weak point.
Gara- not exactly- He was defeated in the battle first- he just recognized that "when you are not fighting just for yourself it makes your resolve slightly stronger". And there are better ways to make oneself matter. May not be true for everyone but quite true in many others so a valid point.
Orochimaru- few months of imprisonment kind of made him look a bit retired. But he is a master at TNJ himself- manipulating so many talented kids to follow him.
Kabuto Yakushi- was put in a loop till he got his thought straightened out.
Sound Four- died in battle
Kimimaro- succumbed to his illness
Itachi Uchiha- died when he wanted to die and how he wanted to die and stayed dead.
Kisame Hoshigaki- No TNJ for him.
Deidara- No tnj.
Sasori- No tnj
Zetsu- no tnj No one even tried..
Hidan- got burried while talking..
Kakuzu- killed off
Nagato-- was easy to manipulate to begin with. Had followed Yahiko till he died and then Tobi used him indirectly taking over Akatsuki putting ideas in his mind. He was strong but a follower at core. Yahiko, Tobi, Itachi, Naruto - all four who had stronger personal conviction than him could lead him.
Konan-- Had no personal reason to fight and she didn't like Tobi anyway
Obito- Lost the battle first. Only question was how to spend his remaining moments. He chose to try to redeem some of the mistakes. It was either that or to remain a defeated pawn ( that he turned out to be once Madara showed up and took over. It was better for him to show that some fight was left in him and he had enough of strong personality to not let himself be a toy of Madara/Zetsu.
Madara- Defeated by his own carelessness out of arrogance.
Kaguya- No one even tried to ask her what her problem was. She wanted all the chakra and others didn't want to return. Too powerful to stall using chit chat or reason with. Case closed.
Sasuke- Wanted to lash out at someone- got into a brawl with Naruto in the end and lost to a stronger conviction and will.
I probably forgot about a bunch... but I doubt TNJ was that important in their case either..
When I look at the list it's those who really were affected by talk were the once had somewhat similar ideals like Natuto which they lost due to personal tragedies but deep down still longed for the good old days and wished thee wishes had come true. Nagato followed Yahiko. If Yahiko would not have been taken out- it would not have been easy for Tobi to take over Akatsuki.( it would be an interesting story how Tobi, Danzou and Hanzou came together- Danzou knew both of them to an extent- enough to worry about Tobi more than Sasuke)
Either way- point is you are over simplifying facts to the point you are ignoring how detailed most villains are instead of customary power seeking and be done with a punch.
Yep- they couldn't TNJ Deidara, Kakuzu or Kisame who were in mostly for their personal ambitions only. Kisame defied even in the end. His personality is the kind that explains why he got along with Obtio so well.
What exactly are his belief? Try to talk each other resolve issues by peaceful manner, forgive or at least endure the slights for the sake or inner peace and moving on. And you find that offensive? You should have dropped it at Zabuza arc. That alone had set up the theme. Anyone who expected something different from this shonnen was setting himself up for disappointment.
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