Narutos current status.

[Orion]

Although I respect everybody's opinion, some of you just won't give Naruto and Pain enough credit.

How many times has Zetsu look at Naruto fighting? Don't know and don't need to know. Yes, that will let the other side know Naruto's skills but that does not says the whole story since Naruto always comes up with something different. Everything he learns, he makes it better. Besides, he always comes up with some unpredictable move or surprise.

Naruto vs Sasuke - who knows. I think Naruto can come easily on top, but will see some other time. How do you measure that? The last time they both had a chance to go at each other, Naruto was smoked. A lot had occurred since then. Anyway, I don't think we will see a good fight to the end or close to the end between them. They may have a fight but I think (it will be in a very surprising way)they will joint forces and fight Madara since Sasuke will find out (one way or the other ) that Madara is responsible for what happened to his brother and family. It is kind of hard to believe everything Sasuke says to Madara since I think Sasuke is using Madara as much as Madara is using him. He may get to Konoha for a reason but may do change of mission while at Konoha, who knows.

Kisame - I don't think it will be Naruto's fight. In would like to think that Kisame's main fight is with Team Guy again but this time they have trained for it. Naruto fighting Kisame, then Team Guy shows up and says "Naruto keep on going with your mission, he is ours".

Pain was bad a?? regardless of the amount of intelligence, help, or chackra depleted before Naruto's arrival. It is not like Naruto was resting for a long time before showing up. They both deserve more credit. Naruto came up with things when the situation changed. Pain blew away all 3 giant frogs with one blow. Even after all the fighting, Naruto was able to put a final blow on Pain even after his last Shinra Tensei. Now it seems like Naruto can mix Fox and Sage chackra.

I am sure Naruto will keep improving.

what ever u r saying is correct.
But if madara come to know naruto uses scroll and den he goes sage, dats ity naruto is goner.
Its true he won't kill naruto but certainly will do something dat will disrupt naruto strength. I included kisame only bcoz he is in akatsuki. U r right naruto will keep improving, dats what this thread maker wants.
I don't think so naruto can mix fox and sage chakra, we can't say anything now.
If u read chunnin exam arc once again, you will come to know dat it is important to keep your strength secret.
Just like ThePain even I think Naruto in his current status is not gud enough to fight akatsuki or sasuke. His secret was sage mode, dat zestu now surely knows and he will tell his collegues. So I am saying akatsuki won't give naruto any chance to use scroll.
You said naruto comes with new moves is absolutely correct. Dats what this thread is all about. He must improvise on his sage techs, else he is a goner.....

 

[Ady]

Hello guys and gals. This is first theory, so please go easy on me!!!!!!!!!!
After reading latest chapters, I started thinking dat is narutos current strength sufficient to beat someone like Madara, Sasuke, Kisame. I don't think so. Naruto is still very weak. He was able to defeat pains all bodies only b'coz god pain was not at his full power when naruto arrived. Narutos sage mode thingy is useless in currently. If naruto is going to use clones everytime to gain sage mode, it won't work against someone fast like sasuke or madara or even kisame. So do you think naruto still needs to learn.

lol....maybe naruto needs to learn some more things.....but he's not weak...u only said that because you are a fan of pain and u are just angry cause he was beaten...but I'm pretty sure naruto could defeat sasuke and kisame together in a fight..lol..kiddin'..but 1 on 1 ..no chance,...naruto wins....my opinion

 

[Ady]

and about madara.....I haven't seen anything of him....(besides running away and dodging atacks)......when he will fight someone we will be able to tell who's stronger...altough I think sasuke and naruto together will take madara on..

 

[Orion]

lol....maybe naruto needs to learn some more things.....but he's not weak...u only said that because you are a fan of pain and u are just angry cause he was beaten...but I'm pretty sure naruto could defeat sasuke and kisame together in a fight..lol..kiddin'..but 1 on 1 ..no chance,...naruto wins....my opinion

He surely is pain's fan....
But he has a point. U R right naruto is not weak. But u should keep in mind dat when he arrived in konoha, pain was already tired. god pain was powerless.

and about madara.....I haven't seen anything of him....(besides running away and dodging atacks)......when he will fight someone we will be able to tell who's stronger...altough I think sasuke and naruto together will take madara on..

Dats right. But there has to be reason, dat itachi was trying 2 keep sasuke away from madara. So madara has to be powerful..I know itachi said madara is pathetic shell of his former self..

 

[Retro]

He surely is pain's fan....
But he has a point. U R right naruto is not weak. But u should keep in mind dat when he arrived in konoha, pain was already tired. god pain was powerless.

Naruto was stil in the of his Sage training, so he is not at full power to. and don't forget that Kyubi-Naruto hurts Naruto a lot and even after he just pwnd God Pain.

Nartuo could beat Sasuke. When their first fight was in part 2 Naruto had a lot damege and charka loss from the 4 tails.
Agiants kisame, Naruto is giong to lose extreem hard because of his Chakra-Drain sword.

 

[narutotails]

what ever u r saying is correct.
But if madara come to know naruto uses scroll and den he goes sage, dats ity naruto is goner.
Its true he won't kill naruto but certainly will do something dat will disrupt naruto strength. I included kisame only bcoz he is in akatsuki. U r right naruto will keep improving, dats what this thread maker wants.
I don't think so naruto can mix fox and sage chakra, we can't say anything now.
If u read chunnin exam arc once again, you will come to know dat it is important to keep your strength secret.
Just like ThePain even I think Naruto in his current status is not gud enough to fight akatsuki or sasuke. His secret was sage mode, dat zestu now surely knows and he will tell his collegues. So I am saying akatsuki won't give naruto any chance to use scroll.
You said naruto comes with new moves is absolutely correct. Dats what this thread is all about. He must improvise on his sage techs, else he is a goner.....

Isn't this an indicator that Naruto is capable of mixing/withdraw Fox and Sage chakra simultaneously?

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[narutotails]

BTW - his father talked to him about utilizing the fox chakra. For sometime he has been avoiding using it since he was told not to relay on it since it may put his love ones in danger. I believe that now he will continue mastering its use since it is clear to him that his father intended for him to learn to use it, not to avoid it. This also will come into play once again.

 

[narutotails]

Naruto was stil in the of his Sage training, so he is not at full power to. and don't forget that Kyubi-Naruto hurts Naruto a lot and even after he just pwnd God Pain.

Nartuo could beat Sasuke. When their first fight was in part 2 Naruto had a lot damege and charka loss from the 4 tails.
Agiants kisame, Naruto is giong to lose extreem hard because of his Chakra-Drain sword.

I would not mind seeing Kisame trying to drain some of Naruto's Sage Chara. It would be interesting to see if the sword can handle it. Humans transforms into frogs if they don't know how to handle it, but what about the sword. What if Sage Chakra has negative impacts on the sword as well. Does anybody know if the Chara absorbed by the sword is somehow pass down to Kisame for his use?

 

[Orion]

Isn't this an indicator that Naruto is capable of mixing/withdraw Fox and Sage chakra simultaneously?

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we don't know, wheather naruto did it intentionally, or it just happened bcoz naruto was having some emotional upheaval at d sight of nagato. But if he had did it intentionally, then there is no reason for naruto to once again come back to normal in next few pages..

 

[TylerVII]

we don't know, wheather naruto did it intentionally, or it just happened bcoz naruto was having some emotional upheaval at d sight of nagato. But if he had did it intentionally, then there is no reason for naruto to once again come back to normal in next few pages..

Actually he was drunk and did not know what he was drowing. Kisame vs Naruto. If Kisame's sword drains the opponets chakra and gives it to Kisame then he would just end up a frog statue. If it just drains chakra then we dont know what would happen
1) The sword becomes a stone sword because of the natular energy
2) Nothing happens cause the sword is already part of the nature (steel)

Also Naruto in sage mode does not have to actually hit the target, even if he misses by some inches he can still blow away anyone with his frog katas. It is stated in the manga and used that way. So i think Naruto has the upper hand in this fight.

Madara vs Naruto. Naruto gets his ass on a silver plate. The reason is Madara's super speed and his extremely advanced time/space ninjutsu which does not require hand seals. (Not that it matters with Naruto's current speed)

Sasuke vs Naruto. Propably Naruto but not sure.

Also why does everybody refer to kyuubi's chakra as infinite? It's not! How could the 4th seal kyubi if it had infinite chakra? I know that in japaneze myths it is stated that way but in the manga when Kakashi trained Naruto for the frs he said that Naruto has 2 times more stamina (or chakra) than him and with the Kyubis 100. And since Naruto only has half of the Kyubis chakra inside him the kyubi would have aproaximatly 200* Kakashi's stamina

 

[gscabana]

Sage mode matters little against madara, who appears to move through space and time so nothing hurts him.

The only thing i can think of to actually hit madara would be likewise-a time/space jutsu of attacking capability or stopping madara from using the space/time technique.

Naruto would have trouble against sasuke for sure
Kisame naruto would find very VERY difficult considering kisame has a rather lot more chakra than naruto...and naruto has a sickeningly large chakra capacity.

Naruto got lucky with pain, everyone figured out his attack patterns, strengths and weaknesses (5 second delay, 6 bodies, real body, chakra recievers etc etc)

He also had just used a jutsu to destroy all of konoha.

Lets face facts, rasenshuriken cant do that, youd need to fire off 30-50 or more of FRS to destroy konoha, meaning pains attack used up a tonne of chakra, then theres the moon he created, and fighting kakashi etc.

Pain was severely weakened by the time naruto came along.

please show me where it says kisame has more chakra than naruto.

and okay 1 rasen shuriken wont do the same damage as 1 of pains things BUT we did see it take down like hundreds of trees and mountains in half SO... id say 3 rasen shurikens = 1 pain thing..... ( not to mention NO WAY IN HELL you would surive even 1 rasen shuriken while look how tsunade saved most of villagers from pain)

 

[roflcopter]

please show me where it says kisame has more chakra than naruto.

and okay 1 rasen shuriken wont do the same damage as 1 of pains things BUT we did see it take down like hundreds of trees and mountains in half SO... id say 3 rasen shurikens = 1 pain thing..... ( not to mention NO WAY IN HELL you would surive even 1 rasen shuriken while look how tsunade saved most of villagers from pain)

The point is that Rasenshuriken can be blocked/blown away while you need to have Katsyy and kage level chakra to save urself/vialgers from Peinsshinra tensei.

 

[SSJ3Gotenks]

Naruto v Sasuke= Naruto
Naruto v Kisame= Naruto
Naruto v Madara= Madara (right now)

I am sick of hearing people talk about how weak Pain was when Naruto fought him Nagato used his most powerful Jutsu: Chibaku Tensei on Naruto and he broke free from it (with help from Nine-tails thanks to Hinata) For crying out loud Nagato destroyed the entire village and still had chakra left to trap the 6-tailed naruto in his chibaku Tensei. And yes Naruto does still have a lot of training left if not there would be no reason for the manga to continue. Everyone will get stronger including naruto and everyone will be trying to surpass Madara and it will probaly take naruto and Sasuke to defeat him. But as it stands the only 2 people in the Manga that are for sure stronger than Naruto right now are Madara and KillerBee. We still don't really know anything about Zetsu other than he likes to watch.

 

[loves2spooge]

Naruto v Sasuke= Naruto
Naruto v Kisame= Naruto
Naruto v Madara= Madara (right now)

I am sick of hearing people talk about how weak Pain was when Naruto fought him Nagato used his most powerful Jutsu: Chibaku Tensei on Naruto and he broke free from it (with help from Nine-tails thanks to Hinata) For crying out loud Nagato destroyed the entire village and still had chakra left to trap the 6-tailed naruto in his chibaku Tensei. And yes Naruto does still have a lot of training left if not there would be no reason for the manga to continue. Everyone will get stronger including naruto and everyone will be trying to surpass Madara and it will probaly take naruto and Sasuke to defeat him. But as it stands the only 2 people in the Manga that are for sure stronger than Naruto right now are Madara and KillerBee. We still don't really know anything about Zetsu other than he likes to watch.

How do you figure Madara's strength this early? We dont know what he is capable of at all, besides regenerating, sharingan (assuming he knows all techs), control of kyuubi.......actually yeah he is stronger lol. my bad

 

[Bodhisattva]

Three things:

Naruto vs Sasuke = Naruto uses whatever power it was Itachi gave him a while ago to neutralize/defeat Sasuke. This one's a gimmie.
:sasuke:

Naruto vs Kisame = b***h please. Naruto wipes Kisame across the land without breaking a sweat.


Naruto vs Madara = See, I think Naruto and Sasuke will tag-team Madara in the end... "Only someone with MS can defeat another with MS"
:hypertobi:

 

[a thousand years of death]

naruto is more powerful than you guys/gals give credit for.
naruto can beat sasuke and we have not really seen that much of kisame but i think he can beat both of them. yh peins god relm was weak at the start but you forget to mention that he still beat him one on one. pein is the strongest character we have seen so far(and maybe itachi if he fought at full stength[sasuke couldnt fight itachi's weakened state holding back]).
i might start a thread later and describe what i said. post it later :naruto:

 

[Emperor]

Yeah, using clones is kinda...umm

Imagine , your fighting Sasuke etc . When you will have time to summon a clone ? XDD nonsense

Tajuu Kage Bunshin x 10000, all of them using any random techniques, while he's defending against them, one clone goes to Sage Mode ?

 

[leafeater]

Three things:

Naruto vs Sasuke = Naruto uses whatever power it was Itachi gave him a while ago to neutralize/defeat Sasuke. This one's a gimmie.
:sasuke:

Naruto vs Kisame = b***h please. Naruto wipes Kisame across the land without breaking a sweat.


Naruto vs Madara = See, I think Naruto and Sasuke will tag-team Madara in the end... "Only someone with MS can defeat another with MS"
:hypertobi:

I disagree on your last point. Naruto doesn't need Sasuke to defeat Madara because Sasuke has MS. Recall that the first Hokage defeated Madara without any Sharingan (though he had wood KG). Also, Minato left Naruto a jutsu to complete in order to defeat Madara. If MS was required, Madara would've been better off killing Sasuke because that argument would make Madara invincible.

 

[Emperor]

I disagree on your last point. Naruto doesn't need Sasuke to defeat Madara because Sasuke has MS. Recall that the first Hokage defeated Madara without any Sharingan (though he had wood KG). Also, Minato left Naruto a jutsu to complete in order to defeat Madara. If MS was required, Madara would've been better off killing Sasuke because that argument would make Madara invincible.

WHere does it say that "That Jutsu" is to defeat Madara ?

 

[leafeater]

WHere does it say that "That Jutsu" is to defeat Madara ?

Minato refers to a special power that uses the half of Kyuubi chakra sealed inside Naruto because of Minato's encounter with Madara. I'll say that I'm assuming the special power is "that jutsu." The Kyuubi chakra like all chakra must be channeled properly and when doing so I believe will be "that jutsu" not just some raw Kyuubi chakra.

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