Naruto's clones are overrated.

[warlee]

The clone defeat a kage therefore kage level. Sasuke too had help in almost all of his match does that mean he isn't kage level?

 

[leafeater]

Overrated? It depends on what they're being compared to and the strength of the clone, similar to some of what has been voiced by others such as Flame Alchemist (I disagree that Naruto's clones used in the 4th Great Ninja war are on the same level as Gaara and Onooki, for example) and Kirin Rei, nice.

The clones we saw were only 5-10% in power of Naruto's base power, so that they managed to accomplish anything is remarkable alone. The devastation they landed in conjunction with the teamwork from others is even more impressive. Is Naruto so above Kage level that 5-10% of him is enough to suffice for a Kage level substitute? I don't think so. Honestly, that's the claim that they're overrated? What's the measuring stick, and how high is it? I think it's ridiculous.

Naruto's clones are not overrated when the can be counted on reliably to fight both across multiple battlefield simultaneously against White Zetsus, Edo Tensei's of lesser stature, and against the Edo Tensei Kage's - independent of the original caster of the jutsu, Naruto, who was busy with Bee searching for/fighting Tobi. Now, I can say that they're not overrated because I take things into perspective and appreciate the value of his clones in an objective sense, I believe.

Some people (potentially including myself, if I failed the above goal) may not maintain objectivity and value the clones in perspective, what this means is that some people overrate/underrate Naruto's clones; however, it does not make the clones overrated/underrated per se (i.e. intrinsically). The clones have no value in themselves other than which we attribute them; thus, one could argue that the OP undervalues the clones, lol. I suppose it all comes down to strength and the objectivity of the argument, I'm not sure how well I did as I'm tired as hell, but I think I conveyed the basic point I hope.

Peace

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

well let's not forget that onoki and gaara together couldn't defeat muu before naruto arrived
let's not forget that in the entire division no one had a strong enough technique to stop the 3rd raikage
let's not forget that it was naruto who forced madara to go into ems and then it was rasen shuriken who made madara go into rinnegan. Madara is fighting with 5 kage at once without rinnegan but he had to use rinengan to protect himself from naruto's attack.

:d this!

 

[Flame Alchemist]

Overrated? It depends on what they're being compared to and the strength of the clone, similar to some of what has been voiced by others such as flame alchemist (I disagree that Naruto's clones used in the 4th Great Ninja war are on the same level as Gaara and Onooki, for example) and Kirin Rei, nice.

The clones we saw were only 5-10% in power of Naruto's base power, so that they managed to accomplish anything is remarkable alone. The devastation they landed in conjunction with the teamwork from others is even more impressive. Is Naruto so above Kage level that 5-10% of him is enough to suffice for a Kage level substitute? I don't think so. Honestly, that's the claim that they're overrated? What's the measuring stick, and how high is it? I think it's ridiculous.

Naruto's clones are not overrated when the can be counted on reliably to fight both across multiple battlefield simultaneously against White Zetsus, Edo Tensei's of lesser stature, and against the Edo Tensei Kage's - independent of the original caster of the jutsu, Naruto, who was busy with Bee searching for/fighting Tobi. Now, I can say that they're not overrated because I take things into perspective and appreciate the value of his clones in an objective sense, I believe.

Some people (potentially including myself, if I failed the above goal) may not maintain objectivity and value the clones in perspective, what this means is that some people overrate/underrate Naruto's clones; however, it does not make the clones overrated/underrated per se (i.e. intrinsically). The clones have no value in themselves other than which we attribute them; thus, one could argue that the OP undervalues the clones, lol. I suppose it all comes down to strength and the objectivity of the argument, I'm not sure how well I did as I'm tired as hell, but I think I conveyed the basic point I hope.

Peace

why did you write the first letters of my username with small-letters :|

 

[Father of Life]

Naruto uses his clones at night. He makes them use sexy jutsu and they have fun together

 

[StrifeMaccy]

let's not forget that it was naruto who forced madara to go into EMS and then it was rasen shuriken who made madara go into rinnegan. madara is fighting with 5 kage at once without rinnegan but he had to use rinengan to protect himself from naruto's attack.

lets not forget that Gaara and the Tsuchikage handed an exposed Madara to Naruto on an open plate

 

[Flame Alchemist]

lets not forget that Gaara and the Tsuchikage handed an exposed Madara to Naruto on an open plate

I'm not. it was a three men teamwork thing. but it was naruto's technique that forced him to use rinnegan.

 

[alakai200]

Naruto's clones are not Kage Level.

Name me one single Kage level ninja one of Naruto's clones defeated in the war that he defeated totally on his own with no protection or aid from anyone around him. The reason why no one will be able to do this is because the proof doesn't exist..Quite literally every single Kage Naruto fought against, he did so alongside the other ninja who were also present on the battlefield.

Let's not ignore the fact that Naruto had no way of defeating the 3rd Raikage, and the Rubber Guy plus a dozen Doton users needed to protect Naruto from his Deathbringer jutsu, as well as the force of Madara's Meteor? Let's not forget the fact that Naruto needed Gaara to give him a mid-air foothold with his sand so he could attack Muu, and not free-fall (which would of made him wide open to Muu's Jinton)? Let's not forget the fact that Itachi needed to coach Naruto about how to combat Nagato's CT. Let's not forgetg the fact that Naruto needed to by time against 3rd Raikage so that he could get intel from Rubber Guy and Hachibi so he could acquire the info he needed to defeat him. Are we forgetting the fact that Bee had to carry Naruto through the entire fight against the Jinchurriki even before the started using their Biju abilities? Are we forgetting the fact that Naruto was constantly overwhelmed by even the Jinchurriki's basic jutsu (this was while they were still in Human form, btw)

Wasn't he on three battle fronts using clones in Bijuu chakra mode for almost an entire night as well as everywhere he went that battle turned around. I gotta tell ya for someone (who you claim) is not at Kage level he was sure getting Kage level results. Yeah and I know the whole thing with him having to get help somehow in your mind dismisses the quality of that ability, but you have to remember the shadow clone was never meant as an offensive technique in the first place, the mere fact that he is using them as such is a testament to how strong he is.

 

[Flame Alchemist]

Wasn't he on three battle fronts using clones in Bijuu chakra mode for almost an entire night as well as everywhere he went that battle turned around. I gotta tell ya for someone (who you claim) is not at Kage level he was sure getting Kage level results. Yeah and I know the whole thing with him having to get help somehow in your mind dismisses the quality of that ability, but you have to remember the shadow clone was never meant as an offensive technique in the first place, the mere fact that he is using them as such is a testament to how strong he is.

yeah but the thread is about "whether a clone of naruto is kage level or not" not real naruto.

 

[leafeater]

why did you write the first letters of my username with small-letters :|

My apologies, I'm tired, when I checked that's what I saw, which honestly surprised me. Most people won't even reference other people on these forums mind you, lol. I'll edit and correct it. Glad that's all you took away from my post..., lol. xd

Peace

 

[niblack89]

Naruto's clones are kage level. He defeated the 3rd Raikage when his KM chakra was empty. He assist in defeating Madara and saved them from his instant forest jutsu.

He easily defeated Mu after Onoki went all out and couldn't use his dust element anymore. He's powerful now.

 

[Flame Alchemist]

My apologies, I'm tired, when I checked that's what I saw, which honestly surprised me. Most people won't even reference other people on these forums mind you, lol. I'll edit and correct it. Glad that's all you took away from my post..., lol. xd

Peace

your arguments were solid. a good post it was.
big sized letters as the first letter looks more stylish

 

[leafeater]

your arguments were solid. a good post it was.
big sized letters as the first letter looks more stylish

Much appreciation, too kind...

Don't sweat it, it was my mistake. I've been posting a lot recently while being very tired/exhausted, so I apologize across the board for that, as it's lead me to more mistaken prone posts and lower overall quality than usual. :sy:

Your OP in this thread was strong, cogent, and rep worthy - in my mind, (as you'll find); thus, I just wanted to make sure I cited you, the author. Keep up the good work, as I've seen it in other threads as well on a consistent basis...
:izuna:

Peace

 

[Aze]

At lol?

Naruto is most likely the most gifted Shinobi ever to use clones for battle.

Many Kage level shinobi can only dream to have clones like naruto have.

Well the Manga is called naruto , so Naruto will surpass all million times including Rikudo Sennin.Kishi just likes to do so.

 

[chazbak]

dude by that logic we can safely say that none of the current kage aren't kage level since they didnt defeat any kage alone...even if those clone had help it's doesnt change the fact that their performance was kage level...how many jounin level ninja can go toe to toe w/ the third raikage, how many jounin ninja can defeat muu w/ little help, how many jounin level ninja can stop that madara wood tech...

they feats and shoeing were clearly kage level whether you like it or not...you think a kounin like temari could have defeat the raikage w/ little help or defeat muu wit none to little help...dude just stop hating on naruto and enjoy the damn show

how many mere jounin level ninja can spam s class jutsu like rasenshuriken as if it was nothing, u think a mere jounin level can goe to to toe w/ datclone

now let me ask u this: name one jounin level ninja who can beat one of naruto'c kcm clone, and when i said jounin level i dnt mean people like kakashi and such cuz we know he is clearly kage level..go on and do tell...u wont find any

i know that currently naruto> your favorite character but it was expected