Narutobase Official Narutoverse Rankings?

[FlashReturns]

Hello, I got an interesting idea when going on a small rant in a previous thread. I am part of an NBA forum where we ranked the top 50 greatest NBA players of all time. What I am suggesting would be Narutobase Official Top 30 Ranking. We could do the same thing here except the method of deciding the ranking would be different. Potentially we could create a Naruto ranking everyone could agree on for the most part if we go about it in a civilized manner. It would be time consuming to get the whole thing done but it could end up being pretty fun and a good way to interact and see things in a different perspective.

If you are interested in something like this, leave some feed back. I will try to include a poll to see how many are actually interested and how many are not.

In order to rank the characters accurately, we will not simply go by voting in poll. My suggestion is multiple tournaments. Thats where the time consuming part takes place. To rank 30 characters fairly we would need 29 tournaments. We could lessen the amount to rank from 30 to 20 or 15 if necessary but I think 30 would be nice for an Official list.

This would be the main tool in deciding the ranking, the winner of the tournaments on this website...

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Just a simple bracket where the consensus top 30 characters in the Narutobase would be plugged in. Some may be questioning why multiple tournaments would be hosted? I will answer that if needed but I think it should be pretty obvious.

Rules for the tournament would be as following.
1. No Edo Tensei, would create a paradox in the tournament and isnt a true testament to one skill.
2. If two users of the same summon are battling then summons are prohibited during that battle For Example, Jiriaya vs Naruto
3. All battles are to the death, if you die you do not advance.
4. All characters are assumed in their prime.
5. All characters start in their base mode.

Any additions to the rules may be suggested.

 

[WreckRoll]

i don't understand how are you going to make such a tournament since a>b>c logic doesn't work here

 

[ReverseZero12]

You watch the NBA too? Man I need to get back into that shit lol. I'm putting my money on the spurs lol.

Anyway man this seems pretty interesting. Can you elaborate a bit more on how the tournament works though exactly? I'm a little confused on that part.

 

[Cfighter]

Its a cool concept, but it will never, NEVER, work. People here can't even agree on trivial match ups, let alone a full on scale to determine which one of their favorite characters is the best. Let me save you the heartache and trouble by giving you some advice: don't even mention this again. Essentially what other members will see this as is a giant vs thread, only the contestants will be everyones favorite characters. People can't even agree on something as trivial as what constitutes as starting off in their "base" form or even what a person's "prime" is. Then theres the people who argue for characters like Kabuto, claiming that Edo Tensei is considered his own power (which is a debate on its own). Theres so many blind fanboys and opinions out there that even if you took a poll with people who use nothing but pure fact and logic with no ties to the characters at all there would still be endless disagreements. This won't work out the way you imagine it. Case-in-point: What will happen when you slap Itachi and Nagato on there? Eventually they're bound to end up fighting each other, then its game over. The fanboys will never stop. Then you add Minato into the mix. Dear god, the minato fanboys are some of the worst. Then you have current Sasuke fanboys, etc...

 

[Uchiha Rafael]

Have no idea how it would work man

 

[FlashReturns]

i don't understand how are you going to make such a tournament since a>b>c logic doesn't work here

The point of the tournament is to overcome the A>B>C logic that everyone always brings up. With the tournaments it will be randomly generated so there will be many different match ups for many characters but overall the strongest person will most likely come out on top regardless of match ups. Just because match ups exist doesnt mean a list isnt possible to make. For example I think Zabuza defeats Hidan due to match up but overall I know Hidan is stronger than Zabuza so he would be ranked higher. Hidan would most likely win a tournament before Zabuza does.

If we are doing a top 30 Ranking there must be 29 tournaments. If Madara wins the First Tournament he will be the consensus strongest character. We would then do the Second Tournament where the previous winners would be excluded, so Madara wont be in the second. Second Tournament lets say Naruto wins. Naruto will go down as second strongest but will be excluded, along with Madara, from the Third Tournament. Third Tournament Sasuke wins, Sasuke is now known as the 3rd strongest and we would start the fourth tournament excluding Naruto, Sasuke, and Madara. And it would continue like that until all 30 characters are ranked.

 

[FlashReturns]

You watch the NBA too? Man I need to get back into that shit lol. I'm putting my money on the spurs lol.

Anyway man this seems pretty interesting. Can you elaborate a bit more on how the tournament works though exactly? I'm a little confused on that part.

Yea I watch the NBA, Im a HEAT fan. Huge DWade Fan. I wouldnt be surprised if the Spurs beat us lol almost happened last year.

This is how it would work. We host 29 tournaments. The winner of the 1st Tournament would be known as the 1st Strongest Character.
Then we host the 2nd Tournament where the 1st Tournament winner is excluded, the winner off the 2nd Tournament would be known as the 2nd Strongest Character. Then we host the 3rd Tournament where the winners of the 1st and 2nd Tournament are excluded, the winner of the 3rd Tournament would be known as the 3rd Strongest Character. And we would continue like that.

 

[ROHAN]

Sound very complicated to me but I will wait and see what others say. Moreover Cfighter has a very good point.

 

[FlashReturns]

Its a cool concept, but it will never, NEVER, work. People here can't even agree on trivial match ups, let alone a full on scale to determine which one of their favorite characters is the best. Let me save you the heartache and trouble by giving you some advice: don't even mention this again. Essentially what other members will see this as is a giant vs thread, only the contestants will be everyones favorite characters. People can't even agree on something as trivial as what constitutes as starting off in their "base" form or even what a person's "prime" is. Then theres the people who argue for characters like Kabuto, claiming that Edo Tensei is considered his own power (which is a debate on its own). Theres so many blind fanboys and opinions out there that even if you took a poll with people who use nothing but pure fact and logic with no ties to the characters at all there would still be endless disagreements. This won't work out the way you imagine it. Case-in-point: What will happen when you slap Itachi and Nagato on there? Eventually they're bound to end up fighting each other, then its game over. The fanboys will never stop. Then you add Minato into the mix. Dear god, the minato fanboys are some of the worst. Then you have current Sasuke fanboys, etc...

Id say give it a shot. There are more fans of the NBA then there are of Naruto and more people on my sports forum then there are here and it worked out fine. It will be simple votes of matches, not much discussion but if it gets too out of hand it can be controlled easily. As many fanboys are of characters of Naruto there are more of NBA Players...The rules have already been set in place for the things you mentioned such as Edo Tensei, Fanboys, and Prime.

 

[RNITBmsage]

Its a cool concept, but it will never, NEVER, work. People here can't even agree on trivial match ups, let alone a full on scale to determine which one of their favorite characters is the best. Let me save you the heartache and trouble by giving you some advice: don't even mention this again. Essentially what other members will see this as is a giant vs thread, only the contestants will be everyones favorite characters. People can't even agree on something as trivial as what constitutes as starting off in their "base" form or even what a person's "prime" is. Then theres the people who argue for characters like Kabuto, claiming that Edo Tensei is considered his own power (which is a debate on its own). Theres so many blind fanboys and opinions out there that even if you took a poll with people who use nothing but pure fact and logic with no ties to the characters at all there would still be endless disagreements. This won't work out the way you imagine it. Case-in-point: What will happen when you slap Itachi and Nagato on there? Eventually they're bound to end up fighting each other, then its game over. The fanboys will never stop. Then you add Minato into the mix. Dear god, the minato fanboys are some of the worst. Then you have current Sasuke fanboys, etc...

if you're to lazy to read he basically said it wont work because there are to many crazed fanboys on this forum
and i agree

 

[FlashReturns]

if you're to lazy to read he basically said it wont work because there are to many crazed fanboys on this forum
and i agree

Wont be a problem. Like I said, I have been part of this before with the NBA Forum I am part of. Fanboys of 1 character will never outweigh the masses. Characters like Minato, Itachi, Madara, Naruto, Hiruzen, and Sasuke will end up being ranked appropriately at the end of the day.

 

[sandy uzumaki]

Wont be a problem. Like I said, I have been part of this before with the NBA Forum I am part of. Fanboys of 1 character will never outweigh the masses. Characters like Minato, Itachi, Madara, Naruto, Hiruzen, and Sasuke will end up being ranked appropriately at the end of the day.

You don't understand fanboying, do you? Lol

Its hard doing such a ranking thing, very hard

 

[Nattana]

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[FlashReturns]

You don't understand fanboying, do you? Lol

Its hard doing such a ranking thing, very hard

Lmao yea I understand fanboying. I have been on this site for a while now, just recently as a member and I have seen some things people have claimed. But there is fanboying in everything. Kobe has a plethora of Fanboys yet he was ranked properly in the NBA Forum.
We do a top 10 player ranking every year as well as per postion and it always goes fine. And if the fanboying gets out of control there is a simple way to put an end to it. But we will get to that if the time comes.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I don't know what to vote? It is utterly pointless, but i love watching these petty squabbles about whether character X beats Character Y.

 

[Cfighter]

Lmao yea I understand fanboying. I have been on this site for a while now, just recently as a member and I have seen some things people have claimed. But there is fanboying in everything. Kobe has a plethora of Fanboys yet he was ranked properly in the NBA Forum.
We do a top 10 player ranking every year as well as per postion and it always goes fine. And if the fanboying gets out of control there is a simple way to put an end to it. But we will get to that if the time comes.

The one thing you don't seem to be taking into account is the fact that NBA fanboys are completely different than manga fanboys. Its easy to come too an agreement with something like the NBA, because the PERSON you are critiquing is real. You know their limits, you know their high and low points. Its easy to rationalize an understanding middle ground. With manga characters, the author can say one thing and do the complete opposite. Its all fictional. One chapter Sasuke has a sharingan, the next a Rinnegan. We don't know how powerful a character is, because everything is set in stone. In Itachi vs Nagato for example, Itachi HAD to win in order for the plot to carry on, thus Kishi made Itachi win. Im not saying that Itachi<Nagato, I'm saying that it is simply impossible for anyone to try and rationalize a middle ground because there will always be a surplus of people to argue one thing, and a surplus of people to argue another. Everything in this manga is hypothetical, and the hypothetical end results are pre-determined and set in stone.

Pain vs Naruto: realistically the end result PROBABLY (notice my doubt) would have ended with Pain as the victor if Naruto wasn't protected by plot.

Sasuke vs Kage: realistically Sasuke would have been torn a new one right there on the spot, assuming he wasn't protected by plot (Karin).

Sasuke vs Deidara: one of the most controversial fights in this manga, and the greatest example of plot holes used too keep a character alive via plot. etc.

Im not trying to tell you your idea is stupid and a waste of time. Like i said, its a cool concept, but it may just end in more arguments than agreements.

 

[FlashReturns]

The one thing you don't seem to be taking into account is the fact that NBA fanboys are completely different than manga fanboys. Its easy to come too an agreement with something like the NBA, because the PERSON you are critiquing is real. You know their limits, you know their high and low points. Its easy to rationalize an understanding middle ground. With manga characters, the author can say one thing and do the complete opposite. Its all fictional. One chapter Sasuke has a sharingan, the next a Rinnegan. We don't know how powerful a character is, because everything is set in stone. In Itachi vs Nagato for example, Itachi HAD to win in order for the plot to carry on, thus Kishi made Itachi win. Im not saying that Itachi<Nagato, I'm saying that it is simply impossible for anyone to try and rationalize a middle ground because there will always be a surplus of people to argue one thing, and a surplus of people to argue another.

Im not trying to tell you your idea is stupid and a waste of time. Like i said, its a cool concept, but it may just end in more arguments than agreements.

You must not know many NBA fans then. Kobe, Carmello, Derrick Rose and many others have crazy fanboys...To some these 3 can do no wrong. There will be people claiming Kobe is better than MJ seriously even tho MJ beats him statistically in every category of the sport. But this isnt about the NBA this is about Naruto. I just used the Sports Forum to show that it could work.
Itachi never beat Nagato tho, Itachi needed Naruto and Bee to defeat Nagato.
But like I said earlier. Fanboys will never be more than the masses. Minato does not have more fans than the Naruto manga itself so there wont be a problem. Minato isnt going to beat someone like Madara in a poll so there shouldnt be a problem.

Most people dont go through this type of situation when ranking, which is why I said this may shed some new light for some users and switch their way of thinking. I debate Naruto(among other things) all the time on Youtube and in person and people and fanboys can have their opinions changed. We wont find out until we try. But if your willing to try it then vote yes, if not vote no.

 

[TheMangaFanboy]

I'm all for it, but I can't see it working, lol.

 

[FlashReturns]

The one thing you don't seem to be taking into account is the fact that NBA fanboys are completely different than manga fanboys. Its easy to come too an agreement with something like the NBA, because the PERSON you are critiquing is real. You know their limits, you know their high and low points. Its easy to rationalize an understanding middle ground. With manga characters, the author can say one thing and do the complete opposite. Its all fictional. One chapter Sasuke has a sharingan, the next a Rinnegan. We don't know how powerful a character is, because everything is set in stone. In Itachi vs Nagato for example, Itachi HAD to win in order for the plot to carry on, thus Kishi made Itachi win. Im not saying that Itachi<Nagato, I'm saying that it is simply impossible for anyone to try and rationalize a middle ground because there will always be a surplus of people to argue one thing, and a surplus of people to argue another. Everything in this manga is hypothetical, and the hypothetical end results are pre-determined and set in stone.

Pain vs Naruto: realistically the end result PROBABLY (notice my doubt) would have ended with Pain as the victor if Naruto wasn't protected by plot.

Sasuke vs Kage: realistically Sasuke would have been torn a new one right there on the spot, assuming he wasn't protected by plot (Karin).

Sasuke vs Deidara: one of the most controversial fights in this manga, and the greatest example of plot holes used too keep a character alive via plot. etc.

Im not trying to tell you your idea is stupid and a waste of time. Like i said, its a cool concept, but it may just end in more arguments than agreements.

Plot wont be protecting the ranking tho. The reason plot protected those characters is because the story needed to advance and they are main characters. That doesnt matter in the tournament. Plot wont protect Naruto from losing to Madara in our fictional tournament...We as the voters decide who wins, not plot...

 

[FlashReturns]

I see a lot of people are very skeptical to do this or even attempt it. I will host the first tournament and continue from there. The people who are skeptical of participating because of fanboys should just give it a try. I think you all will see how it wont be a problem in the future.