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fiercerunner
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I don't disagree with you that Naruto could create Gudodama, but how exactly does the Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken = Gudodama Rasenshuriken? Aren't they different?Tailed Beast Ball rasenshuriken = Gudodama rasenshuriken.
Naruto never created a bijuu bomb rasenshuriken, infact all he could muster was a mini bijuu bomb. Gudodama rasenshuriken aka Tailed Beast Ball rasenshuriken is the only technique of this caliber and the only one that exist. No, they aren't different.
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fiercerunner
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I don't understand. In OP you posted this scan:Naruto never created a bijuu bomb rasenshuriken, infact all he could muster was a mini bijuu bomb. Gudodama rasenshuriken aka Tailed Beast Ball rasenshuriken is the only technique of this caliber and the only one that exist. No, they aren't different.
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Why would Naruto call it "Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken" if it was a Gudodama Rasenshuriken? He must have called it that because he made it using Tailed Beast chakra, not Yin-Yang release.
That was because he didn't have access to his Bijuu Mode which prevented him from doing so.The one time Naruto tried to form a bijuu dama with his hands like rasengan he failed and that was vs third raikage. Naruto never again attempted bijuu dama with hands, only kurama's mouth. The first time he attempted gudodama rasenshuriken aka tailed beast ball rasenshuriken, it was successful.
Not only did RSM Naruto have access to Bijuu Mode, but he attained a higher level of mastery over Yin-Yang Release due to Rikudou's Power which should logically increase his Chakra Control significantly.
And no, that Bijuudama FRS was exactly what it was, a Bijuudama FRS and no TSB was used.
Here, we can tell that Naruto uses 3 TSB to seal Madara's Limbo Clone:
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Later, when Naruto actually uses the technique, he no longer requires a Kurama Avatar to use it, and instead, uses his actual arms to use it and even demands Chakra from Kurama in order to use his FRS:
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We know Rikudou Senjutsu is what allows the user to create TSB and we know Naruto can use RSM without any Bijuu influence, so clearly it wasn't TSB that was used, but an actual Bijuudama because he strictly demanded chakra from Kurama.
And if you're still having doubts:
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As you can see, he still has 6 TSB left, so clearly, the one that he used previous against Juubidara was a Bijuudama, not an FRS that utilized TSB.
Of course, these were FRS that utilized TSB due to the fact that his Gudodama were missing:
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But there's absolutely no indication that the TSB that you believe he utilized in the FRS ever returned to him unlike here where we clearly witness that:
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So basically, Naruto can utilize Bijuudama using his arms.
Naruto called the rasenshuriken created with his gudodama Tailed Beast Ball Spiralling rasenshuriken, idk why kishi called it that. However like I stated earlier Naruto never turned a bijuu bomb into rasenshuriken, in the manga and anime he clearly uses gudodama as the core.
Same reply as above. Also you solo'd yourself with first panel, Kurama clearly helped Naruto convert his gudodama into rasenshuriken, look closely at his arm and gudodama.
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The Demon Hawk
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I commend you Michael, for actually making an impressive thread (not just good, but great) after a barrage of shitty threads. I never expected your observation and analysis to be that splendid, but I guess, for Naruto, you can think logically once in a while.
A supporting factor for your argument is that Ashura was also capable of making Godoudamas with the 3 faced Avatar while in RSM (or an RSM variant power).
BTW, I disagree with your reasoning about Naruto creating two Rasenshurikens. He didn't create the regular FRS to gain advantage due to wind being superior to lightning and the other TBBFRS to stalemate Sasuke's powers. In fact, that is laughable if looked from the logical perspective. Why does Naruto need the other FRS when TBBFRS already has the elemental advantage? By your logic, Sasuke should be the one needing another jutsu to counter Naruto's elemental advantage.
Naruto created two Rasenshurikens for added power because one wasn't enough to match the power of Indra's Arrow. And even then Indra's Arrow was stronger, so the wind shurikens on both FRSs inhibited the power of Indra's Arrow to some extent due to elemental advantage, so they completely stalemated.
A supporting factor for your argument is that Ashura was also capable of making Godoudamas with the 3 faced Avatar while in RSM (or an RSM variant power).
BTW, I disagree with your reasoning about Naruto creating two Rasenshurikens. He didn't create the regular FRS to gain advantage due to wind being superior to lightning and the other TBBFRS to stalemate Sasuke's powers. In fact, that is laughable if looked from the logical perspective. Why does Naruto need the other FRS when TBBFRS already has the elemental advantage? By your logic, Sasuke should be the one needing another jutsu to counter Naruto's elemental advantage.
Naruto created two Rasenshurikens for added power because one wasn't enough to match the power of Indra's Arrow. And even then Indra's Arrow was stronger, so the wind shurikens on both FRSs inhibited the power of Indra's Arrow to some extent due to elemental advantage, so they completely stalemated.
The Demon Hawk
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A good OP and the wankery starts from the very next post. U_UYeah. People often forget how haxxed rasenshuriken is, they focus of the large explosion. The true power of the technique lies in the billions of tiny chakra needles that completely eradicate the chakra network.
WTF, LOL. :lol Both Naruto and Sasuke had roughly the same portion of their respective Avatars left while they were falling. And when they fell down, their Avatars were completely diminished. Naruto created his chakra cloak afterwards to counter Sasuke's Amaterasu.
His chakra cloak isn't the same thing as the piece of Avatar he had left. His chakra cloak had bubbles whereas the piece of his about-to-be-destroyed Avatar didn't, which proves that it wasn't the left over of the Avatar. Take your overly biased vision somewhere else.
Well, having a much better grasp of Yin-Yang Release doesn't mean he can create a Bijuudama from Kurama's arms.
According to feats, Bijuudamas have always shown to be created using the mouth of the tailed beast (from the jinchuuriki's hands through the mouth in case of the Avatar). And this feat was exclusive to the 3 faced Kurama Avatar, regular Avatar couldn't do that, which means it's not reliant of Yin-Yang Release capability. Also, Godoudamas have shown to function like Bijuudama by combining the power of Bijuu and Rikodou Senjutsu, they're more advanced, so that usage cannot be doubted either. Plus, Ashura has also shown to use Godoudama with his RSM or RSM like power.
Excess NE can supposedly allow the creation of Godoudama much like how Ashura did presumably. A 3 faced Avatar is also a sign of excess NE.
Thank you for the very detailed and proof oriented post. :lol
LMFAO. Naruto can only create and use Godoudama TBB with the 3 faced Kurama Avatar. And the 3 faced Kurama Avatar can only be created with Kurama's help. So without Kyuubi, Naruto can't do that. Also, a Godoudama can only function like a TBB when it is sourced from a bijuu which is Kurama in Naruto's case. So obviously, Naruto couldn't do the same without Kurama.
They were supposed to be different, but Kishi erased the line between them from the moment Naruto used his Godoudama in the form of an explosive TBB-like Rasenshuriken through Kurama's help to bust Madara's CT meteors and labeled it "Tailed Beast Ball Spiraling Shuriken".
fiercerunner
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You contradicted yourself. How can you say IA was still stronger than Naruto's attacks, then say they stalemated? FRS is a futon attack, yet you claimed "the wind shurikens inhibited the power of IA", As if they're some outside force not belonging to Naruto's power that caused the IA to be stalemated by it...
The Demon Hawk
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No, you didn't understand. Indra's Arrow is a stronger attack than Naruto's dual FRS with NE by raw power. The only reason they stalemated is because Naruto's dual FRS had the elemental advantage which inhibited the power of Indra's Arrow to come to dual FRS level for the stalemate, because wind insulates electricity.
You know... it actually makes sense, outside of your TBBFRS v. Indra Arrow comparison, the creation of the TSB, at least in my opinion, could be correct.
It really does look like he's making a TSB out of Senjutsu, or that yellow matter.
It really does look like he's making a TSB out of Senjutsu, or that yellow matter.
No buddy, you're missing the point. Futon is apart of the raw power of FRS like how Raiton is a part of the raw power of IA. What you're saying is that if Naruto didn't use those FRS there, but instead used his Lava and Acid versions of Rasenshuriken, IA would have won the clash despite the author writing the reason they stalemated wasn't because of Futon > Raiton but because the enormous amount of NE Kurama gathered.
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Your point is pure fan fiction and was never stated or implied in the manga, merely assumed by you and we have a direct statement from the author contradicting it. So you're wrong buddy Futon > Raiton wasn't the reason, the NE was. If Naruto had used Ink FRS, Suiton FRS, Katon FRS, etc, the result would have been the same.
fiercerunner
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I'd like to mention that Gudodama are actually made not only from Yin-Yang release, but all 5 nature transformations:
Impressive what RSM can do. Naruto went from only being able to use Fuuton to being able to manipulate all 5 natures thanks to it.
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Impressive what RSM can do. Naruto went from only being able to use Fuuton to being able to manipulate all 5 natures thanks to it.
SatanicGod
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He calls it Bijudama RasenshurikenI always knew it was possible to create gudodama since obito and kaguya created some. Naruto also created one during valley of the end after amassing natural energy.
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Notice Naruto's avatar formed a gudodama rasenshuriken with it's left arms and a standard wind release rasenshuriken with its right.
The black coloring of the gudodama rasenshuriken stood out, I noticed i seen it before but where?
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Some people may think it was a standard bijuu dama but noticed Naruto created with the avatar arms and not the mouth. All bijuu dama are created via the bijuu's mouth. Even in RSM. Also note Naruto has never converted a bijuu dama into rasenshuriken, only his gudodama.
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The reason Naruto created two was simple. The standard wind rasenshuriken was to counter sasuke's lightning release, wind > lightning. The second gudodama rasenshuriken was to counter the elements/power sasuke amassed with the bijuu chakra he absorbed.
This resulted in a gargantuan explosion which completely wrecked them both.
This is proof Naruto can create gudodama. He created and wielded gudodama in the same manner as asura otsutsuki, however he converted his into rasenshuriken.
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Thank you and Naruto Uzumaki FTW!
Fapsula still calls it a Gudoudama Rasenshuriken