Naruto without the Kyuubi wich Ninja coud he still beat

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His strength doesn't come from Kyuubi....it's the will of fire!

Jesus Christ! Explaining that concept to people is so difficult! U_U
if he didnt have kyuub, hake would have killed him. or, if haku was being merciful like he/she was to sasuke, orochimaru would have killed him in the forest of death.
 

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Did Naruto use the Kyuubi to master Shadow Clones? Rasengan? Wind Nature? Or Sage Mode?...No!

Naruto alone has 4X the amount of Chakra Kakashi has. & a part of Naruto's chakra is what kept the Kyuubi at bay so if the Kyuubi wasn't there Naruto would have even more Chakra to use.

Naruto would still be a beast could that be said about Sasuke if he didn't have the Sharingan? Simple answer to that question is no but it doesn't matter because Sasuke does have the Sharingan & Naruto has the Kyuubi.

he has 4x kakashi chakra because the ninetails chakra leaks into his, and makes him get more that usual.
 

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Without the Kyuubi he can achieve the complete sage mode fusion with the 2 sage toads. = very op
 

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he has 4x kakashi chakra because the ninetails chakra leaks into his, and makes him get more that usual.
Kakashi said Naruto himself had 4x the amount not Naruto with some of the Kyuubi's chakra.
 

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I dislike threads like this. There is NO SUCH THING as a Naruto with out Kurama. It doesn't and will not exist.

And why take it away from him? It's his rightfully-earned power, he went through life-threatening training in order to gain it, unlike another certain ninja who has everything handed to him by others.

Naruto has been without the kyuubi before in his life so we can say what it was like if he never got sealed with it.
 

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Yes, Naruto can still go Sage Mode and fuse with Ma and Pa toad which lets him stay in SM. Naruto can beat many strong ninjas still like the 4h Raikage (Naruto shadow clone went SM and used his sensory ability to sense the 3rd Raikage's attack and countered him). So Naruto can avade A's attacks with his sensory ability then counter with frog kata ( even if A blocks he'll still get hit by Naruto's which killed 1 of Pain's body so it will hit A since it's direct hit) or use Ma and Pa genjutsu to stop A then use his giant rasengan or rasen shuriken on him. Sasuke will lose by getting hit with frog song and a rasen shuriken. Beat Tsunade (she can't heal from the rasen shuriken :p). Plus he can focus on training to learn more wind jutsus and a 2nd element.

This! if naruto didnt have kurama he would still be hella strong; not raw power wise like how the kyuubis chakra gives him immense speed and stength, but naruto would become a smarter tactician and if he didnt have the kyuubis power..yep u guessed it, minato and kushina would still be alive and he would of most likely learnt ftg, sealing techniques, rasengan, sm and elemental jutsus which would automatically put him above kage level...just imagine sage mode and ftg combined= BEAST :D
 

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The war is still going on i believe deeply that Naruto will loose the kyuubi

He would not - He would use the Same techniques but better yet - He would summon the Toads to help him

so 1 vs 1 Naruto vs Kurama - Open field , Naruto has a HUUUGE chance of winning

he would have die when he faught haku which is a long time ago


So would Sasuke - haku would finish him if it wasn't for Naruto




and 4-0 ? Come on , 1-0 yes , 2-0 Maybe , but 4-0 ? DAFUG ? where did that come from ?
 
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Well, Naruto did beat the 3rd Raikage just with sage mode and he also took out 5 of the 6 paths of pain with sage mode only (granted with his frog summon friends, but pain also had summon friends).

And then after all of the hullabaloo with 6 tail rampage, he took out Deva Path without Kurama (Deva Path being very OP mind, 5 second recharge lol, what's all that about).

I'd say Sage Mode Naruto (without using Kurama chakra at all) is on par with normal MS Sasuke, maybe a little stronger (cause normal MS sucks, drains stamina very quickly and blinds you lol). Obviously there are a lot of variables involved.
 

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well without the nine tails he almost beat pein so alot of ninja
 

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His strength doesn't come from Kyuubi....it's the will of fire!

Jesus Christ! Explaining that concept to people is so difficult! U_U

Tsunade's strength came from the Will of Fire too.

And she's bisected.

Naruto would still have Sage Mode, so about 99% of the Narutoverse? Keep in mind there are about 100,000 Shinobi (include Genin, who aren't in the war). And the top 40 lists we make aren't even 1%.

So no, Naruto is not owning Madara, Tobi, Hashirama, Kabuto (pre-Orochimaru taking his power away), Itachi, Minato and the such.

But for the most part, he can still beat top-tier ninjas and/or give them trouble.
 

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Naruto wold still be a beast without the 9 tails. I hate when other users say he would have died years ago. that is completely wrong the manga has proven time and time again that the only reason Naruto struggled in the past and during the academy years was solely because of the 9 tails and the seal used to seal the beast. Naruto would have been just like his father with the pure power of his mother. The story would still play out the same but just on a smaller scale. I want someone to prove Naruto would be weak without the 9 tails.
 

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Naruto wold still be a beast without the 9 tails. I hate when other users say he would have died years ago. that is completely wrong the manga has proven time and time again that the only reason Naruto struggled in the past and during the academy years was solely because of the 9 tails and the seal used to seal the beast. Naruto would have been just like his father with the pure power of his mother. The story would still play out the same but just on a smaller scale. I want someone to prove Naruto would be weak without the 9 tails.

No the story wouldn't play out the same at all. There is no Naruto without Kurama.

No one is saying Naruto is weak lol.
 

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A complete sage mode that's capable of even fighting even against the Raikage. He'd have to use Ma & Pa more who have the strongest genjutsu that even the sharingan can't block. He'd probably have the FTG because his parents would be alive and access to sealing Jutsus seeing as his mothers a sealing master.
 

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if he didnt have kyuub, hake would have killed him. or, if haku was being merciful like he/she was to sasuke, orochimaru would have killed him in the forest of death.

Orochimaru had already beaten him. So that's false.

Orochimaru had no interest in him was more of the like.
 

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Kishi meant for Naruto to have Kurama it's the way it had to be, So stop what was never meant to be.
 

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Um.. Some of you make good points, but sage mode without kurama? He wouldn't need sage mode cos the Akatsuki wouldn't have gone after him. Infact, he would be dead cos if u remember, the only real reason he's alive right now cos he summonded Gammabunta all that time ago before the Chunin Exams, or maybe even earlier then that cos he only had a chance against Haku on The Great Naruto Bridge cos he tapped into the 9 tails' chakra, but he would still have the rasengan/rasenshuriken. So yeah, rant over
if you take a major event out of his life (being made a jinchuriki) that means he would've still had his parents alive, that means he would've got taught by minato himself when he was a kid and that by using his enormous chakra reserves (he's an uzumaki after all) without kyuubi's interference (don't you remember that in part 1 jiraiya helped naruto use his chakra properly without kurama interfering and not letting him use jutsus properly) he could've got even stronger. Minato was also friends with jiraiya so that means that jiraiya could've taught sage mode to Naruto earlier in his life, even though he wasn't a jinchuriki, Jiraiya was always looking for the "child of prophecy" and training the child of prophecy from his book (tale of a gutsy ninja, main char is called naruto) would've been very fitting. He could've got as strong as he is now or even stronger, who knows...
 

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he would have ftg v3 without kurama which would give him instant teleportation without seal as well as shadow clones using uzumaki blood so he'd be unstoppable.
 
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