"Naruto without Kurama" argument also hurts Sasuke

[NarutoX28]

Or.. OR you could just use that logic against them, no Kurama means stronger SM and no Itachi means no more Sharingan, so Naruto would have been stronger with no hand outs.

We don't know that because Kurama's chakra naturally mixed with Naruto's meaning that his Sage Mode takes advantage of Kurama's potent chakra, something he would not have if he didn't have Kurama. Actually, if he didn't have Kurama, would he have been motivated to work hard at all? Kurama is what caused his bad chakra control, so without that, he may not have found Jiraiya which means that he wouldn't have Sage Mode.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

We don't know that because Kurama's chakra naturally mixed with Naruto's meaning that his Sage Mode takes advantage of Kurama's potent chakra, something he would not have if he didn't have Kurama. Actually, if he didn't have Kurama, would he have been motivated to work hard at all? Kurama is what caused his bad chakra control, so without that, he may not have found Jiraiya which means that he wouldn't have Sage Mode.

Of course, he'd have his parents and Jiraiya to train him. Why wouldn't he. Well not as much as he did in the current NV but still he never shied from hard work.

 

[Nick01]

I agree 100%.

I love how people try to downplay Naruto by taking away Kurama, without changing the story. It's ridiculous.

 

[~Ethereal~]

You're always in ultra pain.

 

[Bling Kai]

I love all these threads that try to point out that "Naruto would lose to Sasuke without Kurama." Seriously think about what you're saying. If Naruto doesn't have Kurama for some reason then that means the Naruto and Sasuke that were looking at, and the entire series storyline for that matter, are insanely different.

If Naruto doesnt gave Kurama then that means the nine-tails attack never happened; which means Naruto isn't Kurama's jinchuriki, which means Minato and Kushina obviously didn't die; which means Naruto would have been trained by Minato, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Ma, Pa, and Jiraiya at a very young age.

No nine-tails attack also means there was no relocation of Uchihas; which means there was no coup and Uchiha massacre; which means Sasuke never became an avenger; which means no death of Itachi and no EMS for Sasuke.

Honestly this approach just hurts Sasuke more than it helps him.

You conviently left out how naruto would get owned by sasuke without kurama.

 

[UltraPain]

You conviently left out how naruto would get owned by sasuke without kurama.

I don't care about who would own who. I'm pointing out how stupid it is to try changing the story just to make up an imaginary situation where a character gets the damage control.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Even if there is a difference between hypothetical battles and altered plots, why are Sasuke fans trying to do VS without Kurama involved anyway? Where is the case that Kurama wouldn't be involved? It's the same as saying not to involve sharingan. "Oh no, but Kurama can talk". Cry me a river. Kurama and Naruto are both a part of each other.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

I love all these threads that try to point out that "Naruto would lose to Sasuke without Kurama." Seriously think about what you're saying. If Naruto doesn't have Kurama for some reason then that means the Naruto and Sasuke that were looking at, and the entire series storyline for that matter, are insanely different.

If Naruto doesnt gave Kurama then that means the nine-tails attack never happened; which means Naruto isn't Kurama's jinchuriki, which means Minato and Kushina obviously didn't die; which means Naruto would have been trained by Minato, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Ma, Pa, and Jiraiya at a very young age.

No nine-tails attack also means there was no relocation of Uchihas; which means there was no coup and Uchiha massacre; which means Sasuke never became an avenger; which means no death of Itachi and no EMS for Sasuke.

Honestly this approach just hurts Sasuke more than it helps him.

They would both die at haku. He wouldn't even live long enough for this fanfic to come to fruition.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Or.. OR you could just use that logic against them, no Kurama means stronger SM and no Itachi means no more Sharingan, so Naruto would have been stronger with no hand outs.

See my above post.

 

[wanderingcactus]

I love all these threads that try to point out that "Naruto would lose to Sasuke without Kurama." Seriously think about what you're saying. If Naruto doesn't have Kurama for some reason then that means the Naruto and Sasuke that were looking at, and the entire series storyline for that matter, are insanely different.

If Naruto doesnt gave Kurama then that means the nine-tails attack never happened; which means Naruto isn't Kurama's jinchuriki, which means Minato and Kushina obviously didn't die; which means Naruto would have been trained by Minato, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Ma, Pa, and Jiraiya at a very young age.

No nine-tails attack also means there was no relocation of Uchihas; which means there was no coup and Uchiha massacre; which means Sasuke never became an avenger; which means no death of Itachi and no EMS for Sasuke.

Honestly this approach just hurts Sasuke more than it helps him.

True but it can still end up with the same end game though. As I stated previously since they are bound with the whole transmigrant BS that they both will end up fighting each other.

Meaning if Kushina didnt die, she'd pass Kurama on to Naruto when he is strong enough to have him submit.

Kakashi and Itachi would be the ones to train Sasuke or other Uchihas (if they didnt revolt and die that is).
Itachi would eventually solo himself leaving Sasuke emotionally distraught, unlocking his MS and going blind afterwards and replacing them with Itachi's. This'll turn into EMS and maybe he'd get Shisui's eye as well on top of that to use against his enemies.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

You changed the whole story idiot. People are saying if Naruto doesn't use Kurama he can't equal Sasuke. Simple as that.

Where did that whole change the outcome of the story come from?