"Naruto without Kurama" argument also hurts Sasuke

[UltraPain]

I love all these threads that try to point out that "Naruto would lose to Sasuke without Kurama." Seriously think about what you're saying. If Naruto doesn't have Kurama for some reason then that means the Naruto and Sasuke that were looking at, and the entire series storyline for that matter, are insanely different.

If Naruto doesnt gave Kurama then that means the nine-tails attack never happened; which means Naruto isn't Kurama's jinchuriki, which means Minato and Kushina obviously didn't die; which means Naruto would have been trained by Minato, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Ma, Pa, and Jiraiya at a very young age.

No nine-tails attack also means there was no relocation of Uchihas; which means there was no coup and Uchiha massacre; which means Sasuke never became an avenger; which means no death of Itachi and no EMS for Sasuke.

Honestly this approach just hurts Sasuke more than it helps him.

 

[SenseiSama]

Or.. OR you could just use that logic against them, no Kurama means stronger SM and no Itachi means no more Sharingan, so Naruto would have been stronger with no hand outs.

 

[Styles]

Itachi would still die he had a disease Sasuke would still awaken MS because Itachi was his life(figure of speech) and Sasuke still could have gotten EMS because Itachi's death by disease.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Sasuke would be strong too, i mean he would have itachi to train him more. But the end result would be naruto being stronger(SM).

 

[UltraPain]

Itachi would still die he had a disease Sasuke would still awaken MS because Itachi was his life(figure of speech) and Sasuke still could have gotten EMS because Itachi's death by disease.

But then again where did Itachi contract the disease? It could have happened while he was in the Akatsuki.

And if he was still in Konoha then maybe Tsunade and the medics would have treated him?

That's the major flaw with this argument. The whole series is entirely altered here we have no clue what would happen. Everything is 100% hypothetical.

 

[The Necromancer]

Like so many others, you fail to realize the difference between an altered plot, and a hypothetical battle scenario.

 

[UltraPain]

Like so many others, you fail to realize the difference between an altered plot, and a hypothetical battle scenario.

An altered plot is a complete unknown, so everything we try to say about that plot would be hypothetical. Battle scenarios where we take away certain abilities (where the character recieved it through very specific events in the story) are also hypothetical. So in the end trying to play with either one is pointless and completely hypothetical.

 

[Styles]

But then again where did Itachi contract the disease? It could have happened while he was in the Akatsuki.

And if he was still in Konoha then maybe Tsunade and the medics would have treated him?

That's the major flaw with this argument. The whole series is entirely altered here we have no clue what would happen. Everything is 100% hypothetical.

If he had it in konoha then Tsunade wouldn't be there because Hiruzen would still be Hokage. And Jiraiya wouldn't have a need to find Tsunade because the village didn't get attacked. And Sasuke and kakashi wasn't out cold from Itachi.

 

[The Necromancer]

An altered plot is an unknown, so everything we try to answwr would be hypothetical. Battle scenarios where we take certain abilities are also hypothetical.

Nobody is trying to rewrite the manga for this specific battle.

If someone asked if JJ Madara vs. JJ Obito were to happen, would you tell them there can't be 2 juubis? No. Because it's just a hypothetical.

Nobody cares about how the plot would be affected by Naruto losing the Kyuubi.

 

[Takezo210]

Honestly the filler arc did this same thing and the end result was naruto with full control of kurama(kushina spilt the ninetails between her and naruto) and itachi faked his death and sasuke got ems with susanoo rank 3 and it was still a draw.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

This thread is "ultra" painfully true.

 

[Exaar]

Both would have died in part 1, Even if they survived Haku, Gaara would of killed them when the fought him in the Forrest while he was transforming.

 

[To Whatever]

I'm just wondering how diseased eyeballs are instantly cured if you shove them in your eye sockets.

 

[Nobel]

There is actually a logical human on this base?

 

[Angelic.]

There was filler that proved otherwise lol

 

[King Of Pop]

Or.. OR you could just use that logic against them, no Kurama means stronger SM and no Itachi means no more Sharingan, so Naruto would have been stronger with no hand outs.

sasuke would still get MS regardless and that is enough for SM

 

[V h o]

Both still lose to Prime Rikuzen

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I'm just wondering how diseased eyeballs are instantly cured if you shove them in your eye sockets.

Good question.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Naruto would be the strongest with Maa and Paa fused SM mode and their ninjutsu techniques at his disposal.

 

[UltraPain]

Nobody is trying to rewrite the manga for this specific battle.

If someone asked if JJ Madara vs. JJ Obito were to happen, would you tell them there can't be 2 juubis? No. Because it's just a hypothetical.

Nobody cares about how the plot would be affected by Naruto losing the Kyuubi.

You're joking right? Fanboys do that on here every single day xd