Naruto Vs Sasuke (without fox or sharigan)

[-Naruto-]

The thing about this thread that I don't agree with, is that Naruto would lose. Here's the thing, if you take the Kyubi from Naruto from the begining he doesn't have the seal screwing up his chakra, he's not acting like a clown to get attention so he wouldn't have been alienated, and he would have gained control and perfected many a jutsus easier and faster than what it took him with the kyubi. In other words, Naruto would have always been on par with everybody else, and still surpassed them all because he wouldn't have had to worry about the kyubi during his wind-style training or any other training he did that the kyubi prolonged. Which by the way, Naruto's jutsus are all independent of the Kyubi, the only thing the Kyubi does is allow Naruto more chakra to go with his already enormous amount as it is.

Now, if you take the sharigan from Sasuke then he doesn't learn any of the strong jutsus that he has. Before Sasuke activated his sharigan he had fire-style and was skilled with tai & ninja tools. But without the sharigan he doesn't learn how to do chodori, his speed does not increase (before you say it NO Sasuke did not get that speed on his own, Kakashi told Sasuke to concentrate on Lee's speed with sharigan to copy it), and whatever other things he learned as a result of his sharigan would not be. Because truthfully, majority of Sasuke's jutsus are dependent on his sharigan. That said, to ask this question means that you have to alter the entire show to get an answer.

But for the sake of the arguement, Naruto wins. Reason, he would have mastered things much faster and easier and would have been an equal to Sasuke from the begining and eventually surpassed him anyways. Remember, everthing Naruto has he worked for it, Sasuke just kinda backed into it.

Don't forget he would have learned a whole bunch of crap from his parents because they would have never died.

 

[Wparker6804]

And how is that naruto's problem? Just cos sauske cant make as many clones and maintain them, it should be naruto's problem? I don't think so.
Fine let him keep lightning, without his eyes he wouldn't be able to keep up with anything. Face the facts you just admited it yourself.
Naruto pawns sauske if both are deprived of something each.
Infact the fox is only just being a help to naruto now. Previously it was just a leech suppressing him.
Edit: Trolls be trolls
Well said Naruto41698, I nearly forgot about that XD

I agree with you on the bold part completely. And the sage mode thing wasn't a Hax: HE WORKED FOR IT AND EARNED IT! HE GAINED IT THROUGH DETERMINATION AND WORK INSTEAD OF A PAR OF GAY RED EYES OR A BITE MARK ON THE NECK!

Sage mode was just another well-done example of how hard Naruto works twords his goal. In fact, despite all of his powers and natural abilities, there are three things that gives Naruto my respect and makes him a truely powerful Ninja.
A.) Talking no Jutsu (People call it that so I thought I'd be a smartellic and do the same, lol). He has a way to use words to make a point in a way that no other person can. He brought the brainwashed, mindless drone known as Sai to light. He led Nagato, a shinobi truely lost in darkness, and showed him his error in view to the point where he sacrificed his live to resurrect the village. He even convinced the extreemly rash and hardheaded Raikage to let him pass--something that even his own vilagepeople could beleive. And you know what? Every time that happened no one else was in anny way surprised.
B.) Determination. Just like Rock Lee (who is my favorite character), everyone shunned him, repelled him, mocked him, and told him he'd ammount to nothing. After four years, he's gained everyones trust, love, compassion, attention, as well as surpassing his teachers (Kakashi, Jyraia, and Iruka) and almost all of his classmates that discraced him as a child.
C.) Stamina. And I don't just mean chakra. He learned an S ranked jutsu, a jutsu that the Thunder god and Legendary Toad Sage struggled to do, and completed it in under fourteen days. Even Sasuke himself was jelous (even though he was power hungry). Go back and count the number of times he fell over and hurt himself, yet he still went at it. A lesser man (or chick) his age (or older) would have fallen.

Sasuke? He's just powerhungry. Power and hate are the only things he cared about and Madara used this to turn him into a brainwashed mindless drone. Nagato was just lost because of darkness and past tragety. Sasuke practically walked into it. At leas Nagato found his way back out just before death. Saske? He's completely lost. Me favoring Naruto over Sasuke isn't just because of powers and abilities, its their charicatures. Sasuke is a punk while Naruto is a selfless and determined Shinobi.

 

[JuJuMan]

^^^ That pretty much sums everything I believe.

Madara calling naruto a Senju doesnt mean naruto is a Senju like Sauske is an Uchia. Naruto is distantly related and had the will of fire blah blah and he sees the determination or whatever in Naruto.

They are brothers of destiny but from the very beginning Naruto had been set back and disadvantaged by many factors a little of which is explained by 1st NinjaKage

 

[Wparker6804]

The thing about this thread that I don't agree with, is that Naruto would lose. Here's the thing, if you take the Kyubi from Naruto from the begining he doesn't have the seal screwing up his chakra, he's not acting like a clown to get attention so he wouldn't have been alienated, and he would have gained control and perfected many a jutsus easier and faster than what it took him with the kyubi. In other words, Naruto would have always been on par with everybody else, and still surpassed them all because he wouldn't have had to worry about the kyubi during his wind-style training or any other training he did that the kyubi prolonged. Which by the way, Naruto's jutsus are all independent of the Kyubi, the only thing the Kyubi does is allow Naruto more chakra to go with his already enormous amount as it is.
Now, if you take the sharigan from Sasuke then he doesn't learn any of the strong jutsus that he has. Before Sasuke activated his sharigan he had fire-style and was skilled with tai & ninja tools. But without the sharigan he doesn't learn how to do chodori, his speed does not increase (before you say it NO Sasuke did not get that speed on his own, Kakashi told Sasuke to concentrate on Lee's speed with sharigan to copy it), and whatever other things he learned as a result of his sharigan would not be. Because truthfully, majority of Sasuke's jutsus are dependent on his sharigan. That said, to ask this question means that you have to alter the entire show to get an answer.
But for the sake of the arguement, Naruto wins. Reason, he would have mastered things much faster and easier and would have been an equal to Sasuke from the begining and eventually surpassed him anyways. Remember, everthing Naruto has he worked for it, Sasuke just kinda backed into it.

Lo and behold, you are a genious! Not to sound like a kiss up, but you've worded this in the exact same way that I have tried several times in this post. Certanly not all of it (because I'm a blabbermouth), but you got the main point.

 

[wonderwho]

naruto! cause sasuke power are his eyes.

 

[Uzumaki Bethany]

if Naruto cant have Sage mode then sasuke shouldn't have his strongest jutsu since Naruto worked hard for sage mode and he wasn't born with it i dont see why he shouldn't be allowed i but even so i say Naruto with or with out it x

 

[chickmagnet]

Naruto obviously.

Edit for Dukeofhell: The reason why Naruto has enormous amount of chakra is because of the 9-tails fox. Uzumakis are known for their long lives and sealing techniques, not large chakras.

descendant of the senju they also have large amount of chakra look at nagato

 

[666]

I agree with you on the bold part completely. And the sage mode thing wasn't a Hax: HE WORKED FOR IT AND EARNED IT! HE GAINED IT THROUGH DETERMINATION AND WORK INSTEAD OF A PAR OF GAY RED EYES OR A BITE MARK ON THE NECK!

Sage mode was just another well-done example of how hard Naruto works twords his goal. In fact, despite all of his powers and natural abilities, there are three things that gives Naruto my respect and makes him a truely powerful Ninja.
A.) Talking no Jutsu (People call it that so I thought I'd be a smartellic and do the same, lol). He has a way to use words to make a point in a way that no other person can. He brought the brainwashed, mindless drone known as Sai to light. He led Nagato, a shinobi truely lost in darkness, and showed him his error in view to the point where he sacrificed his live to resurrect the village. He even convinced the extreemly rash and hardheaded Raikage to let him pass--something that even his own vilagepeople could beleive. And you know what? Every time that happened no one else was in anny way surprised.
B.) Determination. Just like Rock Lee (who is my favorite character), everyone shunned him, repelled him, mocked him, and told him he'd ammount to nothing. After four years, he's gained everyones trust, love, compassion, attention, as well as surpassing his teachers (Kakashi, Jyraia, and Iruka) and almost all of his classmates that discraced him as a child.
C.) Stamina. And I don't just mean chakra. He learned an S ranked jutsu, a jutsu that the Thunder god and Legendary Toad Sage struggled to do, and completed it in under fourteen days. Even Sasuke himself was jelous (even though he was power hungry). Go back and count the number of times he fell over and hurt himself, yet he still went at it. A lesser man (or chick) his age (or older) would have fallen.

Sasuke? He's just powerhungry. Power and hate are the only things he cared about and Madara used this to turn him into a brainwashed mindless drone. Nagato was just lost because of darkness and past tragety. Sasuke practically walked into it. At leas Nagato found his way back out just before death. Saske? He's completely lost. Me favoring Naruto over Sasuke isn't just because of powers and abilities, its their charicatures. Sasuke is a punk while Naruto is a selfless and determined Shinobi.

He mastered it in days, Jiraiya couldn't when he's had YEARS, lol.
Clearly it was a PnJ. How else was he gonna beat Pein?

 

[Uzumaki Bethany]

I agree with you on the bold part completely. And the sage mode thing wasn't a Hax: HE WORKED FOR IT AND EARNED IT! HE GAINED IT THROUGH DETERMINATION AND WORK INSTEAD OF A PAR OF GAY RED EYES OR A BITE MARK ON THE NECK!

Sage mode was just another well-done example of how hard Naruto works twords his goal. In fact, despite all of his powers and natural abilities, there are three things that gives Naruto my respect and makes him a truely powerful Ninja.
A.) Talking no Jutsu (People call it that so I thought I'd be a smartellic and do the same, lol). He has a way to use words to make a point in a way that no other person can. He brought the brainwashed, mindless drone known as Sai to light. He led Nagato, a shinobi truely lost in darkness, and showed him his error in view to the point where he sacrificed his live to resurrect the village. He even convinced the extreemly rash and hardheaded Raikage to let him pass--something that even his own vilagepeople could beleive. And you know what? Every time that happened no one else was in anny way surprised.
B.) Determination. Just like Rock Lee (who is my favorite character), everyone shunned him, repelled him, mocked him, and told him he'd ammount to nothing. After four years, he's gained everyones trust, love, compassion, attention, as well as surpassing his teachers (Kakashi, Jyraia, and Iruka) and almost all of his classmates that discraced him as a child.
C.) Stamina. And I don't just mean chakra. He learned an S ranked jutsu, a jutsu that the Thunder god and Legendary Toad Sage struggled to do, and completed it in under fourteen days. Even Sasuke himself was jelous (even though he was power hungry). Go back and count the number of times he fell over and hurt himself, yet he still went at it. A lesser man (or chick) his age (or older) would have fallen.

Sasuke? He's just powerhungry. Power and hate are the only things he cared about and Madara used this to turn him into a brainwashed mindless drone. Nagato was just lost because of darkness and past tragety. Sasuke practically walked into it. At leas Nagato found his way back out just before death. Saske? He's completely lost. Me favoring Naruto over Sasuke isn't just because of powers and abilities, its their charicatures. Sasuke is a punk while Naruto is a selfless and determined Shinobi.

Couldn't have said it any better then you just did i feel the same way x

 

[-Naruto-]

He mastered it in days, Jiraiya couldn't when he's had YEARS, lol.
Clearly it was a PnJ. How else was he gonna beat Pein?

Your just mad because you are a sasg*y fanboy xd

 

[Sage master]

Naruto ftw

 

[666]

Your just mad because you are a sasg*y fanboy xd

Who's the BOY chasing after Sasg*y? just stop

 

[-Naruto-]

Well for answers look at the poll

189 to 58

 

[Wparker6804]

So you're saying Madara calling Naruto a SENJU to just be a conspiracy? Dude, Kishi is remaking the Elder Brother (Sasuke) vs. Younger Brother (Naruto).
They are brothers of DESTINY!
1.He would have learnt Kirin, because Orochimaru taught him it.
2.He is better with lightning, point blank.
3.That's like saying Naruto's wind would have never existed w/o Kakashi, nonsense!!

Okay, I'm not the kind of person to argue, with a troll or not, but it seems your'e trying to avoid the other person's point.

1.He would have learnt Kirin, because Orochimaru taught him it.

WTF? Orochimaru didn't teach it to him! HE MADE IT! I don't know what you're talking about, but you've got your facts wrong. Kirin was Sasuke's one-shot last resort failsafe. Orochimarut didn't teach it to him. And, Fire was Sasuke's NATURAL CHAKRA NATURE (by extention, the entire Uchiha, because they're blood related). The main and only reason on Sasuke knowing lightning is because Kakashi taught him the chidori. When Naruto becan to perfect the rasengan Kakashi told him how hard it is to alter your body's chakra nature into another. Without the sharingan, no chidori. Without the chidori, no Kirin. Period.

3.That's like saying Naruto's wind would have never existed w/o Kakashi, nonsense!!

Once again, you don't have your facts streight. Wind was Naruto's NATURAL CHAKRA NATURE! HE HALREADY HAD IT. He just didn't use it until after he met sasuke the first time.

2.He is better with lightning, point blank.

Well, yes, but only because he trained more with lightning than fire. I mean, how mny fire teqs does Sasuke use? And that's his natural chakra nature. What a waste.
Me, personally, the only two things I think naruto is missing is:
1.) A weapon (preferbly to run wind nature through it and possibly run a rasengan around the blade/hed. That would be awsome!)
2.) A second element jutsu, probably water.
But once again, Naruto doesn't need either of those because his great battle advantage is that he's clever and can do hundreds of different things with what he has-- ever since the beginning. Sasuke has just as many tricks as Naruto, but he has over a dozen different jutsus. Even if you took those things away from the each of them, Naruto can still come up with some sort of advantage. That's what I love about his fights. Then again, Itachi let Sasuke win, Madara saved Sasuke from the Kages, and he warned Sasuke about Danzo's seal. So, in ret respect, Sasuke didn't win his last three fights by himself. Naruto has.

 

[Fearmonger]

Sasuke,cause he'l still have mongekyo sharingan and Naruto would just have sage mode.That wont work because sage mode takes time to activate and Sasuke is very fast in his actions.

 

[666]

Well for answers look at the poll

189 to 58

Have you heard of the word favoritism? Clearly Naruto has more fans.

Okay, I'm not the kind of person to argue, with a troll or not, but it seems your'e trying to avoid the other person's point.

Troll is an excuse when people don't have anything to debunk them.

WTF? Orochimaru didn't teach it to him! HE MADE IT! I don't know what you're talking about, but you've got your facts wrong. Kirin was Sasuke's one-shot last resort failsafe. Orochimarut didn't teach it to him. And, Fire was Sasuke's NATURAL CHAKRA NATURE (by extention, the entire Uchiha, because they're blood related). The main and only reason on Sasuke knowing lightning is because Kakashi taught him the chidori. When Naruto becan to perfect the rasengan Kakashi told him how hard it is to alter your body's chakra nature into another. Without the sharingan, no chidori. Without the chidori, no Kirin. Period.

You do realise without Kakashi teaching Naruto wind, none of his Rasengan techniques would be useful, right? Can't take one away and not one from the other. Sasuke has always been naturally better than Naruto, it's Naruto's hard-work that makes him on par with him!

Once again, you don't have your facts streight. Wind was Naruto's NATURAL CHAKRA NATURE! HE HALREADY HAD IT. He just didn't use it until after he met sasuke the first time

Like Sasuke already had lightning *sigh*

Well, yes, but only because he trained more with lightning than fire. I mean, how mny fire teqs does Sasuke use? And that's his natural chakra nature. What a waste.
Me, personally, the only two things I think naruto is missing is:
1.) A weapon (preferbly to run wind nature through it and possibly run a rasengan around the blade/hed. That would be awsome!)
2.) A second element jutsu, probably water.
But once again, Naruto doesn't need either of those because his great battle advantage is that he's clever and can do hundreds of different things with what he has-- ever since the beginning. Sasuke has just as many tricks as Naruto, but he has over a dozen different jutsus. Even if you took those things away from the each of them, Naruto can still come up with some sort of advantage. That's what I love about his fights. Then again, Itachi let Sasuke win, Madara saved Sasuke from the Kages, and he warned Sasuke about Danzo's seal. So, in ret respect, Sasuke didn't win his last three fights by himself. Naruto has.

Lightning > Wind
Plus, giving Naruto a weapon or another element would make him OP.

 

[-Naruto-]

Have you heard of the word favoritism? Clearly Naruto has more fans.

Does someone need to slap you in the face with facts? Here let me help :flaw:

 

[Wparker6804]

He mastered it in days, Jiraiya couldn't when he's had YEARS, lol.
Clearly it was a PnJ. How else was he gonna beat Pein?

Once again, it's not Pnj. He worked for it. It's like saying: "Sasuke using Kirin was Pnj"

Sasuke created Kirin, Naruto learned sage mode. In fact, the reason the toads made Naruto a sage was because Pain was coming after Naruto. Just like Sasuke created Kirin for his fight with Itachi. Like I said before, Naruto becoming a sage in 2 weeks wasn't Pnj, it was an example of how present generations surpass the previous ones and how determination is Naruto's gretest tool.

Was 6PoP a PnJ simply because it made Nagato so powerful? No, that was just his key technique.
Was Itachi's genjutsu a Pnj just so he could beat Kakashi? No, it's because it's his fighting style
Was Kisame's sword a Pnj so he could have high stamina? No, that's just how he's so good at capturing Jynchurikis.

Sage mode wasn't just some easy way for Naruto to get out of a fight. He spent years using just clones and rasengans. I think that after ofer 5 years of this series, he deserves another trump card. And if I'm boring everyone with this last point, Im sorry. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut: HE WORKED FOR THAT! SASUKE HASN"T WORKED FOR ANNYTHING SINCE BEFORE HE SUCKED UP OROCHIMARU!

 

[666]

Does someone need to slap you in the face with facts? Here let me help
It's a fact, Naruto has more fans.


nce again, it's not Pnj. He worked for it. It's like saying: "Sasuke using Kirin was Pnj"

Sasuke created Kirin, Naruto learned sage mode. In fact, the reason the toads made Naruto a sage was because Pain was coming after Naruto. Just like Sasuke created Kirin for his fight with Itachi. Like I said before, Naruto becoming a sage in 2 weeks wasn't Pnj, it was an example of how present generations surpass the previous ones and how determination is Naruto's gretest tool.

Was 6PoP a PnJ simply because it made Nagato so powerful? No, that was just his key technique.
Was Itachi's genjutsu a Pnj just so he could beat Kakashi? No, it's because it's his fighting style
Was Kisame's sword a Pnj so he could have high stamina? No, that's just how he's so good at capturing Jynchurikis.

Sage mode wasn't just some easy way for Naruto to get out of a fight. He spent years using just clones and rasengans. I think that after ofer 5 years of this series, he deserves another trump card. And if I'm boring everyone with this last point, Im sorry. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut: HE WORKED FOR THAT! SASUKE HASN"T WORKED FOR ANNYTHING SINCE BEFORE HE SUCKED UP OROCHIMARU!

Worked for it? He was naturally born with large amounts of chakra and let's not forget he has the main character no jutsu.

Yet Sage Mode was useless, and a Rasengan beat Pain..

Sage Mode was learnt in days by Naruto, Sage Mode is incomplete in years by Jiraiya.

Sasuke is again, naturally better than Naruto, so he wins.

 

[Jokule67]

Sasuke wins

Without SM and KM, Naruto's only raw power

Without Sharingan, Sasuke's still smarter, faster, and better overall than Naruto

Oh, and SM is a hax' because he learnt it in ONE week, whilst Jiraiya has never mastered it.

So SM should not be counted!

who r u 2 say tht. kishi said he cud learn it in one week so its true BOTTOM LINE. JUST ACCEPT IT. if thts a hax than sasuke 3 year training is a hax with all those steroids and forbidden poison experements and such. naruto is plenty without sm and km. i already posted a few tyms on the matter. ill re pstem later 4 u.