Naruto Vs Sasuke (without fox or sharigan)

[Shawnd]

u r totally wrong. naruto chakra comes from his own body not the fox. some of narutos chakra was suppressing the fox.

it was the 4th's seal surppressin the fox's chakra!

 

[Shawnd]

ok, shawnd...last time I defended you in another thread. This time, I disagree with you saying Naruto is nothing without the fox.

Lemme ask you, what exactly does the fox do for Naruto?
1. Provides great stamina and even more chakra
2. Keeps him alive(which is really big), but I hardly think Shippuden Naruto needs that much help staying alive anymore, he's not as dumb.

So, Naruto, even without sage mode or the fox still knows alot. Clones, Rasengan, Taijutsu, Oodama Rasengan, Rasenshuriken (which alone would beat Sasuke down), it's the truth.

Now, Sasuke without sharingan knows lighning style, mainly Chidori and Kirin. So sure, he CAN use it without sharingan, but it would be no where NEAR as effective with it. So do you see why I'm saying that wouldn't be a staple in this fight for him? And yah, he's got fire style to burn clones, and some taijutsu.

Now for the summons(you said they don't get them), but, how many times have you seen a toad lose to a snake summon? Gamabunta would just stab Manda in the mouth again if Manda were still alive, and Naruto's got a few toads to use.

which brings me to sage mode....even if Naruto means to miss Sasuke on purpose, remember in the Pain strike, it still connected to that one and that Pain got punched mega hard anyway? Naruto doesn't have to land a hit for it to work.

Also, you can't state that sasuke would be WAYYYYYYY better at being a jinchuuriki than Naruto. Naruto's had the fox ALL his life and would be better off than Sasuke, who would have to find how to deal with a biju without sharingan in your battle.


Bottom line, some of your reasoning worked in the early posts of this thread, but please don't hate on Naruto as much as you do. He's much better than you give him credit for.

ok i agree with some of that he you misinterpret a lil bit... umm about naruto bein useless.. ok i can agree naruto is no LONGER uesless withotut the fox.. shipuden naruto has proven to be somewhat useful without the fox's chakra but not much.. plus rasenshuriken is a big a@@ ball of wind that wud make sasukes fire elements 100X stronger.. and i wasnt sayin that sasuke coul;d be a better jinchuriki.. naruto already has experience as one.. im jus sayin that if sasuke wud become one.. it wouldn't jus tip the scale in his favor.. he'd win for sure 100% guaranteed!!

 

[bboyhurricane]

ok i agree with some of that he you misinterpret a lil bit... umm about naruto bein useless.. ok i can agree naruto is no LONGER uesless withotut the fox.. shipuden naruto has proven to be somewhat useful without the fox's chakra but not much.. plus rasenshuriken is a big a@@ ball of wind that wud make sasukes fire elements 100X stronger.. and i wasnt sayin that sasuke coul;d be a better jinchuriki.. naruto already has experience as one.. im jus sayin that if sasuke wud become one.. it wouldn't jus tip the scale in his favor.. he'd win for sure 100% guaranteed!!

Ok, so sasuke would turn Naruto's rasengan into a flaming ball that I'm still would hurt sasuke. And as for rasenshuriken, that's worse for sasuke.

"not much?" for real man? He's grown so much without the fox since the Sai arc. Also have you read all the recent manga with Gaara....? If so, I'm sure you should agree that Naruto would become more powerful without the fox.

No, you didn't hear what I just said...or maybe you just don't agree. Sasuke gets a biju....fine, but since he can't hack and use his sharingan to just control it like he did to Manda, he would be screwed, that's what all the tailed beasts fear, sharingan. Sasuke couldn't be a better host, because he couldn't make the beast do what he wants it to. Naruto wins the host fight.

Can I ask you one thing? Why do you dislike Naruto so much? Sasuke isn't even that great anymore. Sharingan became his everything, and his MS was handed to him by Itachi. He doesn't train anymore, he inherits everything. He uses sharingan so much that he goes blind with it......shippuden Sasuke is seriously lacking in non sharingan skills.

 

[Jokule67]

it was the 4th's seal surppressin the fox's chakra!

becuz of the fox some of naruto chakra is mixed and disrupted therefore he doesnt have access 2it all. without the fox he has more chakra.

 

[Jokule67]

ok i agree with some of that he you misinterpret a lil bit... umm about naruto bein useless.. ok i can agree naruto is no LONGER uesless withotut the fox.. shipuden naruto has proven to be somewhat useful without the fox's chakra but not much.. plus rasenshuriken is a big a@@ ball of wind that wud make sasukes fire elements 100X stronger.. and i wasnt sayin that sasuke coul;d be a better jinchuriki.. naruto already has experience as one.. im jus sayin that if sasuke wud become one.. it wouldn't jus tip the scale in his favor.. he'd win for sure 100% guaranteed!!

u sound as if u think naruto's techniques and sage mode are pushovers.

 

[Jokule67]

Ok, so sasuke would turn Naruto's rasengan into a flaming ball that I'm still would hurt sasuke. And as for rasenshuriken, that's worse for sasuke.

"not much?" for real man? He's grown so much without the fox since the Sai arc. Also have you read all the recent manga with Gaara....? If so, I'm sure you should agree that Naruto would become more powerful without the fox.

No, you didn't hear what I just said...or maybe you just don't agree. Sasuke gets a biju....fine, but since he can't hack and use his sharingan to just control it like he did to Manda, he would be screwed, that's what all the tailed beasts fear, sharingan. Sasuke couldn't be a better host, because he couldn't make the beast do what he wants it to. Naruto wins the host fight.

Can I ask you one thing? Why do you dislike Naruto so much? Sasuke isn't even that great anymore. Sharingan became his everything, and his MS was handed to him by Itachi. He doesn't train anymore, he inherits everything. He uses sharingan so much that he goes blind with it......shippuden Sasuke is seriously lacking in non sharingan skills.

lol i betcha non-sharingan sasuke wulda got his a$$ kicked by nine tails. sharingan is his everything

 

[bboyhurricane]

lol i betcha non-sharingan sasuke wulda got his a$$ kicked by nine tails. sharingan is his everything

heh, you're betting on my side then.

+1 for you because you and I are thinking alike.

come on shawnd, you got a response?

 

[Inception]

u r totally wrong. naruto chakra comes from his own body not the fox. some of narutos chakra was suppressing the fox.

No. Just, no. Naruto has a large chakra reserve thanks to the 9-Tails Fox. Everyone knows this rofl.

Naruto's normal chakra level is considered extremely high, partially because of the Nine-Tails

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becuz of the fox some of naruto chakra is mixed and disrupted therefore he doesnt have access 2it all. without the fox he has more chakra.

Fail logic is fail.

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[Schneider]

sasukes lightning element.. dontk no for sure but im pretty sure it wont affect naruto too much.. same with i kno narutos wind wont affect sasuke too much bcuz he has fire affinity!

Sasuke fanboy alert.
Naruto's wind style wouldn't affect sasuke?
Fire affinity? :flaw:
Rasenganshuriken>sasuke

 

[bboyhurricane]

Sasuke fanboy alert.
Naruto's wind style wouldn't affect sasuke?
Fire affinity? :flaw:
Rasenganshuriken>sasuke

no, shawnd was right in that. Fire gets a boost in power compared to wind. The manga even says so, but it would turn it into a flaming rasengan I'm guessing.

 

[narvt0]

If all of u forgot naruto has minato in him n thus he has the teleportation jutsu.....so stop comparing dem wit speed

 

[bboyhurricane]

If all of u forgot naruto has minato in him n thus he has the teleportation jutsu.....so stop comparing dem wit speed

without rikudo mode, where's your proof of that?

 

[DhattUchiha]

Sasuke Wins
-he's faster than Naruto(without his kyubi mode, sage mode)
-Sasuke doesn't need to use his Sharingan on Naruto unless he uses the kyubi's chakra
-If Naruto uses his clones sasuke can use his chidori senbon to kill all the clones or chidori stream to protect himself from a direct hit
-Naruto uses Wind Release: Rasengan or, Rasenshuriken Sasuke can just use Fire Release: Great Fire Ball Jutsu or another Fire Release Jutsu
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[Jokule67]

No. Just, no. Naruto has a large chakra reserve thanks to the 9-Tails Fox. Everyone knows this rofl.



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without kyuubi naruto has 100 times more chakra than kakashi. he says it himself

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this is MANGA evidence.kyuubi mixes some of naruto chakra 2 maintain the seal dude. read and weep.

 

[thenarutoking]

so this is pretty much to average ninja in a fight. with that said naruto wins because there about the same in everything but rasenshruiken rules over chidori

 

[niblack89]

Sasuke's nothing without his Sharingan, Naruto would demolish him. Naruto base mode Naruto surpassed Kakashi. Sasuke's most powerful attack chidori will get owned by a wind powered rasangen.

Naruto has more chakra and as good of taijutsu user as Sasuke now.

Also Naruto has sage mode. Naruto is way more powerrful now.

 

[psukkar]

Well this basiclly been answered from their battle at the valley of the end.


Naruto(with no mode) was tanking sasuke with a partial curse mark lv 1.

Then Naruto was fighting even with sasuke with a two tomed sharingan.

Then Naruto(with fox aura) owned sasuke with a two tomed sharingan, but then sasuke turned the tables on with a three tomed sharingan.

Then Naruto( in one tail mode) owed sasuke in 3 tome sharingan then sasuke needed to go curse lv 2 mode to cause a stalemate.

Not mention sasukevon the hospital roof felt very inferior to naruto after their clash with no modes. This is why he left konoha by the way in the end.

So I think Naruto natually is stronger than sasuke. Sasuke is naturally faster than naruto. But the decider is the fact that naruto naturally has a lot more stamina than sasuke. Also naruto doing a bigger rasengan would own chodori. Not to meantion if naruto did a small wind rasengan. If sasuke had stronger fire jutsu things could have been different, but he focused on lighning.


And saying naruto cant use summons is silly, its is a jutsu really. Is it naruto's fault that he has more chakra than sasuke? Same with sage mode, it is something he learned like summoning.

 

[nikkie6606]

naruto because he learnt sage mode

 

[arv993]

sage mode is not allowed 4 some reason

 

[todoxsezz]

You forget that Naruto isn't a little kid anymore and is a much better fighter now. He thinks more now and if you care to forget,check out how he beats Hidon...AND ALL THE PAINS!!...he out thinks and out fights now and isn't just "raw power". Sasuke,true,he is skilled but what new things has Sasuke shown us that DOESN'T involve his Sharingan?"Karin"??one move and i'm sure Naruto would find a way to stop that move.Naruto would have his hands full and it would be his harder fight,but Naruto would take Sasuke down at the end.