Naruto vs Sasuke Checkpoint

[psukkar]

You can't say who'll win right now simply because we known nothing of sasuke's ems abilities other than he doesn't go blind from using his ms techniques. Also it's pretty foolish to say naruto could easily beat sasuke right now considering they will always be equal and kishi has shown us this time and time again, when one gets a power up so does the other. They have always been equals and probably always will.

they were never equals. Always one is stronger than the other.

The only times sasuke had clear advantages over naruto was before he learnt the rasengan and sasuke learned chadori. ANd when they first meet in part 2 before naruto got sage mode.

They were about equal when naruto had sage mode. But the wind rasengan in sage mode can be lights out. So I feel just with sage mode, naruto has what it takes to sasuke. The only unknown is this unknown tech u get with ems.

But now he has fox mode aswell so naruto always has something to top sauske with.

You know one of the big reasons why sasuke left the village was becuase he felt inferior to naruto after seeing how devasting the rasengan was at the hospital roof in part 1. He sought orochimaru to get stronger. Thats actually a plus to naruto. Just as much as naruto wants sasuke to acknowledge him.

 

[Blaze Release]

the bijuu ball can destroy sasuke susano'o

First of all naruto hasnt mastered it. Secondly you do not know this. You are only making assumptions

 

[Blaze Release]

Partial susanoo mode was broken by Raikage's Bitchslap Sage mode rasengan is much stronger than that , dont argue with the obvious


Sasuke's attacks are pointless , Naruto has a decent defence in fox AND sage mode , and even if Sasuke Lands a hit Naruto can regenerate in an instant with fox chakra

90 % of Naruto's abilities are forgotten by Sasuke fans

so , not a valid argument

and HOW do you know that he has a lot more chakra than itachi ?

Where has it been Stated in the manga ?


Sasuke's only option is to 1 shot Naruto , and he hasn't got such a technique . a technique that he can use constantly


please state facts

Its true that raikage cracked susanoo ribs but as i said, that was just susanoo ribs protecting sasuke, i wouldnt even call that version a partial susanoo because it was just his ribs protecting sasuke.

Naruto doesnt have any defense in sage or fox mode. Ive given you enough defensive techniques sasuke could use. Instead of saying naruto has defenses in sage and fox mode, give me examples.

Im not a sasuke or a naruto fan, but its obvious that the technqiues that both have demonstrated shows that naruto's techniques wouldnt have an effect on sasuke any form of rasengan wouldnt work and taijutsu is out of the question, even if naruto uses sage mode kata unless he wants to sacrifice and arm to make contact with sasuke i dont see him doing this. Naruto might be dumb but he isnt as dumb as the raikage.

Also everybody knows that sasuke has alot more chakra reserves than itachi.

Basically non of naruto's rasengans whatever version could penetrate susanoo either in partial version, partial version + amaterasu (blaze release) or final version. Taijutsu is also out of the question and naruto isnt a genjutsu user.

 

[warlee]

@blaze you make it sound like naruto will be helpless during the fight & how will sasuke touch naruto when he is faster than the raikage? Amaterasu?,susano arrow? Last time i check those attack can be dodge by naruto. U think sasuke will stay inside susano 4 ever. @ this point in time naruto is stronger than sasuke by feat. Lol @ not being a sasuke fan. Danzo tear that partial susano w/ a low rank futon what make u think rasen shuriken(s rank) won't sharter it.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

@Blaze you said all of naruto's moves are based on Rasengan but sasuke's moves are based on chidori and only difference is that naruto actually owns rasengan since his DAD created it but sasuke copied it lol but OT: naruto has wayyyy more chakra than sasuke and you say you don't care if naruto's rasengan is stronger when he is in sage mode when you say normal rasengan is equal to chidori...you sure you aren't a fanboy cause you sound like one....and sasuke can't be in susanoo all the time because if he does naruto uses KM during that time and dodge all of his attacks and when sasuke runs out of chakra(which he will since using susanoo takes up soo much chakra) and get out of KM and use sage mode and well finish sasuke off

 

[~MC117~]

First of all naruto hasnt mastered it. Secondly you do not know this. You are only making assumptions

Sooner or later he will mastered it
and I think that the bijuu ball can really destroy susanoo, look at this video

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[Blaze Release]

@blaze you make it sound like naruto will be helpless during the fight & how will sasuke touch naruto when he is faster than the raikage? Amaterasu?,susano arrow? Last time i check those attack can be dodge by naruto. U think sasuke will stay inside susano 4 ever. @ this point in time naruto is stronger than sasuke by feat. Lol @ not being a sasuke fan. Danzo tear that partial susano w/ a low rank futon what make u think rasen shuriken(s rank) won't sharter it.

Tbh we have to stop this 'who can beat who'. At the end of the day its up to kishi to decide who beats who. Anyway ill still respond to your comment. Naruto might now be faster than the raikage but during his recent battles, he has not shown to use this speed. I believe he hasnt mastered that technique, in order to use it several times in battle. Naruto can dodge amaterasu and probably susanoo's arrow but he cannot he also cannot last forever in demon fox mode and neither can sasuke hold up susanoo (even a partial version) for the whole fight. Also i think its safe to rule out sage mode, he wouldnt have time to stand at one place and gather natural energy although depending on the environment he could run, hide and gather natural energy.

Danzou never tore any thing down. The animal he summoned (Baku), sucking technique is what made a hole in sasuke partial susanoo. Raikage attack on sasuke's partial susano did leave a crack, but you have no evidence to say that his pysical force isnt on the same level as fuuton shuriken rasengan. If fuuton shuriken rasengan didnt even leave a mark on the 3th raikage who was clouded in raiton armour i doubt it would have any effect on sasuke in partial susanoo mode.

Infact if sasuke used sasunoo's partial version and molded amaterasu around it (enton- blaze release), naruto's wind element wouldnt work, since amaterasu a fire element would neutralise it.

Both are amaterasu and fuuton shuriken rasengan are s-rank tehcniques, but amaterasu is the stronger jutsu due to its elementary affiliation

 

[Blaze Release]

@Blaze you said all of naruto's moves are based on Rasengan but sasuke's moves are based on chidori and only difference is that naruto actually owns rasengan since his DAD created it but sasuke copied it lol but OT: naruto has wayyyy more chakra than sasuke and you say you don't care if naruto's rasengan is stronger when he is in sage mode when you say normal rasengan is equal to chidori...you sure you aren't a fanboy cause you sound like one....and sasuke can't be in susanoo all the time because if he does naruto uses KM during that time and dodge all of his attacks and when sasuke runs out of chakra(which he will since using susanoo takes up soo much chakra) and get out of KM and use sage mode and well finish sasuke off

All of naruto's offensive technique include some form of rasengan. Come on, even a naruto fanboy should acknwoledge this. How can you say that all of sasuke's moves are based on chidori. Also the bold bit i highlighted in your post contradicts itself and tbh doesnt make sense.

Sasuke cannot use susanoo for the whole battle and neither can naruto use demon mode for the whole battle. This fight might come down to not just who has the better defence,offense,stamina, it might come down to who has the best strategy to adopt to his opponents fightng style in order to defeat them.

Both naruto and sasuke has showed great intelligence during battle. Sasuke easily comming up different ways to defeat deidora and fooling dazou into thinking he has one eye left to use izanagi. Naruto has shown great intellect during the battle with edo raikage

 

[jlfs1195]

id say naruto. his KM and SM are formidable and every one has a weakness. even tough susanoo is regarded as the ultimate defence it takes away a lot of chakra, and if naruto masters the TTB sasuke is doomed susanoo will protect him but after that his chakra will be almost gone easy prey for a naruto who speed is greater than raikage.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

In Sage mode Rasengan is 2 times as strong


if he does not have the totsuka sword and the yata mirror , he is not even stronger than Itachi at this level

He better have some power ups


Susanoo drains a lot of chakra , Sasuke wont be able to use the final for for long . that wil lbe the last thing he does

and as danzo shows it is not unbeatable

sasuke susano was lvl 2 it was not at full susano mode.The reason why danzo manage to damage the susano because he made a strong suction with his summon pet to increase his wind attack

 

[Uchicha Macho]

I feel naruto will go to another training arc when madara somehow manage to take the ninetail beast from naruto.Maybe onoki will revive him ( he have to die somehow he he).After that people will help naruto to learn better wind technique ,taijutsu(maybe lee or Guy will teach him),ninjutsu to counter sharingan techinque (from kakashi).Also since naruti fight muu and 3 raikage that might a preparation for him to fight sasuke.Since the 3 raikage have not use black lighting i think sasuke will somehow gain that ability from his dark side(so kishi will not want us to get fed up with that technique).

tell me your view?

 

[lubricati0n]

All of naruto's offensive technique include some form of rasengan. Come on, even a naruto fanboy should acknwoledge this. How can you say that all of sasuke's moves are based on chidori. Also the bold bit i highlighted in your post contradicts itself and tbh doesnt make sense.

Sasuke cannot use susanoo for the whole battle and neither can naruto use demon mode for the whole battle. This fight might come down to not just who has the better defence,offense,stamina, it might come down to who has the best strategy to adopt to his opponents fightng style in order to defeat them.

Both naruto and sasuke has showed great intelligence during battle. Sasuke easily comming up different ways to defeat deidora and fooling dazou into thinking he has one eye left to use izanagi. Naruto has shown great intellect during the battle with edo raikage

Well duh, the rasengan is based off the TBB. Naruto will one day master the TBB as another Rasengan, so it's natural for him. All of Sasuke's jutsu are based off Sharingan, all stolen material. He has not put any training into any of his jutsu, except probably Kirin.
-Amaterasu? Implanted.
-Tsukuyomi? Natural ability gained, no training required.
-Susano'o? Implanted Amaterasu + Tsukuyomi = automatic powerup.
-EMS? Automatic powerup through Itachi.
-Chidori? Copied.

Spoiler

Sharingan OP!

Once Sasuke uses up Susano'o he's out of Chakra. Once Naruto uses up KM, he still has his HUGE chakra supply + Sage Mode.

 

[warlee]

Tbh we have to stop this 'who can beat who'. At the end of the day its up to kishi to decide who beats who. Anyway ill still respond to your comment. Naruto might now be faster than the raikage but during his recent battles, he has not shown to use this speed. I believe he hasnt mastered that technique, in order to use it several times in battle. Naruto can dodge amaterasu and probably susanoo's arrow but he cannot he also cannot last forever in demon fox mode and neither can sasuke hold up susanoo (even a partial version) for the whole fight. Also i think its safe to rule out sage mode, he wouldnt have time to stand at one place and gather natural energy although depending on the environment he could run, hide and gather natural energy.

Danzou never tore any thing down. The animal he summoned (Baku), sucking technique is what made a hole in sasuke partial susanoo. Raikage attack on sasuke's partial susano did leave a crack, but you have no evidence to say that his pysical force isnt on the same level as fuuton shuriken rasengan. If fuuton shuriken rasengan didnt even leave a mark on the 3th raikage who was clouded in raiton armour i doubt it would have any effect on sasuke in partial susanoo mode.

Infact if sasuke used sasunoo's partial version and molded amaterasu around it (enton- blaze release), naruto's wind element wouldnt work, since amaterasu a fire element would neutralise it.

Both are amaterasu and fuuton shuriken rasengan are s-rank tehcniques, but amaterasu is the stronger jutsu due to its elementary affiliation

naruto can keep the cloak on 4 more than a day (training,fought raikages,muu,& still make clones) sasuke cannot even keep susano 4 more than 6-8 mins. Situation has not require it if situation does require it naruto will be fast. Don't compare 3rd raikage to susano his defense feat is greater than sasuke's susano. Naruto is faster than raikage don't doubt that. Fyi naruto will win the fight.

 

[Blaze Release]

Well duh, the rasengan is based off the TBB. Naruto will one day master the TBB as another Rasengan, so it's natural for him. All of Sasuke's jutsu are based off Sharingan, all stolen material. He has not put any training into any of his jutsu, except probably Kirin.
-Amaterasu? Implanted.
-Tsukuyomi? Natural ability gained, no training required.
-Susano'o? Implanted Amaterasu + Tsukuyomi = automatic powerup.
-EMS? Automatic powerup through Itachi.
-Chidori? Copied.

Spoiler

Sharingan OP!

Once Sasuke uses up Susano'o he's out of Chakra. Once Naruto uses up KM, he still has his HUGE chakra supply + Sage Mode.

wow at you the bold sentence in our post. This is why i joined nb, the hardcore naruto fanboys come out with anything and forget about their favourite characters flaws. Anyway naruto will master tbb eventually but you do not know whether it would be in time for his fight with sasuke or whether kishi is leaving it till his eventual fight with madara. Its funny how alot of naruto fanboys know all of naruto's attacks wouldnt work agasint susanoo either in partial mode or final mode so they all depend on naruto to learn tbb, in the hope the it would penetrate susanoo. Although granted tbb would probably get through partial susanoo, i dont see it getting through final susanoo.

Also you say all of sasuke's jutsu's are based of the sharigan. Come on naruto fanboy, we all know that this isnt true. You said he hasnt put any training into any of his techniques, he had more than enough training with oro and also the best way to train is to actually get into battles and test yourself and sasuke has done this numerous times, he has more training and battle experience under his belt than naruto. Besides if thats the case you might as well hate on all the countless ninja's with bloodline limits. uSo far we do not know whether sasuke has tsukuoymi, the genjutsu used on bee was a regular genjutsu, just like the one used on danzou.

Also if you are talking about sasuke's eyes, lets not forget that as i said earlier thats part of his genes. I didnt feel the need to bring this up, but if there is anybody that needs to depend on other powers its naruto. The fox and naruto are two different people whist sasuke eyes extually belong to him. Look at how many countless times the fox has come to naruto's aid.

Even without the fox now naruto wouldn't have acquired some of his new techniques. And the tbb all you fanboys rely on is also from the fox, so before you say that all of sasuke's techniques is because of his eyes, you should take a greater look at naruto and how much the fox has and is still helping him

 

[Blaze Release]

naruto can keep the cloak on 4 more than a day (training,fought raikages,muu,& still make clones) sasuke cannot even keep susano 4 more than 6-8 mins. Situation has not require it if situation does require it naruto will be fast. Don't compare 3rd raikage to susano his defense feat is greater than sasuke's susano. Naruto is faster than raikage don't doubt that. Fyi naruto will win the fight.

Please dont assume anything. Until you come up with facts. We dont know how long naruto can keep his demon mode. We also dont know how long sasuke can keep susanoo. Since you are making assumptions id also make one which is most likely true. I believe that the ems would make life alot easier for sasuke if he decides to use susanoo, already we have seen that sasuke's susanoo has gone through a new trasnformation with his ems when he tested it out on white zetsu.

Again dont make assumptions, how can you say that the 3rd raikage defense is superior than susanoo, where does it say or show this in the manga

 

[Savior..]

we Havent seen new sasuke

but id say sasuke since kyuubi chakra mode is useless.

 

[lubricati0n]

wow at you the bold sentence in our post. This is why i joined nb, the hardcore naruto fanboys come out with anything and forget about their favourite characters flaws. Anyway naruto will master tbb eventually but you do not know whether it would be in time for his fight with sasuke or whether kishi is leaving it till his eventual fight with madara. Its funny how alot of naruto fanboys know all of naruto's attacks wouldnt work agasint susanoo either in partial mode or final mode so they all depend on naruto to learn tbb, in the hope the it would penetrate susanoo. Although granted tbb would probably get through partial susanoo, i dont see it getting through final susanoo.

Also you say all of sasuke's jutsu's are based of the sharigan. Come on naruto fanboy, we all know that this isnt true. You said he hasnt put any training into any of his techniques, he had more than enough training with oro and also the best way to train is to actually get into battles and test yourself and sasuke has done this numerous times, he has more training and battle experience under his belt than naruto. Besides if thats the case you might as well hate on all the countless ninja's with bloodline limits. uSo far we do not know whether sasuke has tsukuoymi, the genjutsu used on bee was a regular genjutsu, just like the one used on danzou.

Also if you are talking about sasuke's eyes, lets not forget that as i said earlier thats part of his genes. I didnt feel the need to bring this up, but if there is anybody that needs to depend on other powers its naruto. The fox and naruto are two different people whist sasuke eyes extually belong to him. Look at how many countless times the fox has come to naruto's aid.

Even without the fox now naruto wouldn't have acquired some of his new techniques. And the tbb all you fanboys rely on is also from the fox, so before you say that all of sasuke's techniques is because of his eyes, you should take a greater look at naruto and how much the fox has and is still helping him

No, I think you joined NB to argue against Naruto fans because you're a hardcore Sasuke fan. Ever think about that? Your Avatar explains all.

So you reckon Naruto may not learn TBB before he fights Sasuke? So when will he need TBB? later? As if Kishi is going to make Naruto fight Kabuto or Madara in 27 years time(sarcasm intended). The Madara fight would occur only a short amount of time after Naruto fights Sasuke. I doubt Naruto will recover and train for TBB at the same time. Hence, he will most certainly have it before he confronts Sasuke.

What made Itachi's Susano'o invincible was the shield. We do not know for sure Sasuke has inherited that. Therefore, it is not invincible.

Really? Training with Oro? He received Curse Mark. That is a power-up by itself. He only had to adapt Chidori to his sword and thats about it. No training bro.

Actually we do know he has Tsukuyomi. One, because Danzo was able to recognize and compare. Two because to activate Susano'o you need Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu.

Ok. Let me put it this way. The fox and Sharingan are tools to be used. However, the fox actually needs to be defeated, and to defeat it, Naruto needs lots of training. Then after he defeats it, he gains only the chakra, which again needs LOTS of training to master. Do you need to defeat the Sharingan? No. Even the fox fears the Sharingan. OP much.

Again, the Rasengan is based off TBB. Minato observed its formations and invented Rasengan. If Naruto didn't have the fox he would still have Rasengan , FRS and SM. Also, this mangas name is Naruto. If Naruto had no fox, then Kishi would give him something else.

PS, If you check my sig, I'm no real hardcore fan of any Naruto character, I'm a hardcore fan for Ichigo and Bleach though.

 

[David1996]

Man they are thee strongest alive man, can't tell.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Wow to the 2 calling each other fanboys. Both of you got it mixed up.

First off Sasuke has trained for his moves. Sasuke has trained extremely hard since he was a child. His goals for training were to surpass his brother to be acknowledged, than surpass his brother to kill him and now it's to destroy naruto and the leaf.

Sasuke gained many of his skills through training with Kakashi, oro and by himself. Though it doesn't seem like training because Sasuke naturally looks cool and flawless whenever he fights. And that's the thing is that Sasuke was a natural born genius.

His sharingans are inherited but just cuz your born with something doesn't mean you don't practice to be good at it. Just a few chapters ago we saw Sasuke training with his new eyes agaisnt a Zetsu.

Sasuke did not get Amaterasu from implants. Itachi implanted his eye power in Sasuke for only one purpose- to activate on the site of Madaras eyes to kill Madara. Proof is the fact that Sasukes eye resembled itachi's ms when it happened. The Amaterasu Sasuke used after that was his own power- proof is that Sasukes ms was his own pattern and not itachis.

Sasuke can use tsukiyomi. He used it on bee and it was not successful. He also used it on Danzo which was also unsuccessful. But Sasuke has and can use tsukiyomi.

Sasunoo and the jutsu combination of sasunoo and Amaterasu is Sasukes on powers and skills. Not even Itachi was skilled to cobined the 2.

Now naruto tbb- you made a good point that we can't tell if he will have it ready for Sasuke or Madara but IMO naruto doesn't need tbb to beat Sasuke. Naruto has showned great speed, power, stamina and intelligence throughout the whole manga and especially during the war. He's surpassed all his predecessors and overcame all the odds. Whatever Sasuke has up his sleeves naruto is sure to find a way to counter it.

Besides sasunoo takes away waaaaay too much chakra. Sasuke will not last a drawn out fight with naruto who has not only his own vast amount of chakra reserves, but also infinite chakra from nature (sage) and tailed beast proportion reserves (kyuubi)

 

[Blaze Release]

No, I think you joined NB to argue against Naruto fans because you're a hardcore Sasuke fan. Ever think about that? Your Avatar explains all.

So you reckon Naruto may not learn TBB before he fights Sasuke? So when will he need TBB? later? As if Kishi is going to make Naruto fight Kabuto or Madara in 27 years time(sarcasm intended). The Madara fight would occur only a short amount of time after Naruto fights Sasuke. I doubt Naruto will recover and train for TBB at the same time. Hence, he will most certainly have it before he confronts Sasuke.

What made Itachi's Susano'o invincible was the shield. We do not know for sure Sasuke has inherited that. Therefore, it is not invincible.

Really? Training with Oro? He received Curse Mark. That is a power-up by itself. He only had to adapt Chidori to his sword and thats about it. No training bro.

Actually we do know he has Tsukuyomi. One, because Danzo was able to recognize and compare. Two because to activate Susano'o you need Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu.

Ok. Let me put it this way. The fox and Sharingan are tools to be used. However, the fox actually needs to be defeated, and to defeat it, Naruto needs lots of training. Then after he defeats it, he gains only the chakra, which again needs LOTS of training to master. Do you need to defeat the Sharingan? No. Even the fox fears the Sharingan. OP much.

Again, the Rasengan is based off TBB. Minato observed its formations and invented Rasengan. If Naruto didn't have the fox he would still have Rasengan , FRS and SM. Also, this mangas name is Naruto. If Naruto had no fox, then Kishi would give him something else.

PS, If you check my sig, I'm no real hardcore fan of any Naruto character, I'm a hardcore fan for Ichigo and Bleach though.

I joined this site to discuss stuff concerning naruto, not the character but the anime itself. About the avatar, out of all pics i could use this one was the smallest, thats why i chose it. Anyway the reason i said naruto wouldnt master the tbb before his fight with sasuke is because i feel they will fight in the next few chapters, when they do eventually meet and naruto doesnt know how to use it.

Granted the totsuka sword and the yata armour did make susanoo invincible, but susano alone has withstood some pretty powerful techniques in only partial mode. Sasuke used the rib version to guard against raikage, then he used a partial version (still incomplete) to guard against raikage and co and gaara and co attacks when they all attacked him at once.

Sasuke trained intensively against oro, do even read the the manga. Some of the claims you come up with are utterly ridiculous. The genjustu sasuke used on dazou was a regular genjutsu, everybody knows this and tbh i cannot be bothered to show you the chapter and prove you wrong.

Also you are massive sasuke hater, you only talk about his sharigan and yet you do not talk about other peoples bloodline limits. You say the fox and the sharigan are both tools, but you failed to recognise that both tools are only as strong as the user.

Ill say it again none of naruto's rasengans, whatever version will not affect sasuke. final version susanoo vs tbb, i also doubt would leave a scratch on susanoo in final version