Naruto vs pain was a joke

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I agree in a world where deva path and sm naruto solo, deva path would win

But given not just because plot, but circumstances deva path put himself into he lost (not killing naruto, having shinra tensei on huge cooldown, nagato dying, etc)

The funny part is sm naruto didnt beat deva path, it was regular plain old naruto that beat him with his regular plain old rasengan with the help of his regular plain old tajuu clones
 

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How interesting, if memory serves me correctly Base Naruto is what defeated Deva Path, and its Kishi's manga so its his rules. SO Naruto won, and its canon.

Plus thats how every fight in a Shonen Jump manga usually goes, just watch Ichigo vs Aizen OR Gohan vs Cell.
 

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and plot made naruto unable to fuse with toads,in that fight naruto had a huge setback,seriously how can kurama push the toad off naruto's shoulder when he's locked up with a seal?
 

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and plot made naruto unable to fuse with toads,in that fight naruto had a huge setback,seriously how can kurama push the toad off naruto's shoulder when he's locked up with a seal?
Narutos base chakra is being constantly tugged by kurama
In a sense kurama is "one with naruto"
So the toads cant be "one with him" if kurama is there, even though kurama sealed he still affects narutos chakra
 

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So all the help naruto got through luck wasn't plot no Jutsu but nagato reviving the village was? If anyone had help through plot it was naruto.

I haven't said one thing about sasuke in this whole thread I have no idea where you are getting sasuke fanboy from
What luck? He raped several paths before he got stuck. If you call having friends to help you and a demon inside you luck then sure it was luck. But those thigns are also part of who naruto is and didn't have anything to do with "luck". My point was that after the planetary destruction thing The last body was running out of steam and was overwhelmed. Then suddenly the bad guy is turned good, and revives not just Kakashi but every single one of the fallen Konoha shinobi. This feels way more like plot then Naruto beating a pain body by stamina. and help from Minato.

If you stick around here more you learn that 95% of every person here with a name including Sasuke Itachi or uchiha spend their time trolling and flaming other characters. As your name is Sasukecursemark I would find that silly if you are not a fan of Sasuke and the way you are talking in this thread resembles the fanboys.
 

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HAHAHAHA! A Sasuke fanboy complains about a Naruto fight being BS and some think its PnJ? Do you know how much Sasuke got saved by the plot? Please, what a joke.
 

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Yes regular Deva > SM Naruto , however, this SM Naruto still has a chance to beat Deva, and that was what happened. Learn to deal with the manga facts.
 

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I am going to be the one to say it. A lot of you are very very stupid, no offense.

Now with all of that said none of you who are complaining about Naruto has a credible reason why he should have lost besides saying Plot no Jutsu. A good plot is what makes a good turn around in the story, you need them, you want them.

1. Naruto in SM was stronger physically than any of Nagato's Paths and none of you can say otherwise. It is not like they were gonna draw blood or even really get close to really hitting him while in Sage Mode because he is too strong and too fast. Then you have to think about how Jiraiya was tearing the Paths a new hole. He went there to figure out Pain's secrets and in figuring it all that out he took out 3 paths and figured it all out too late.

2. Yes Naruto had some Intel but would any of you want Jiraiya's death to be in vain and not help out his billage that he was fighting for?? Umm no so you can't blame Naruto for having intel that helped him win the fight and keep so many other people alive.

3. How are any of you whining about Naruto going 6 tails?? It wasn't luck and he wasn't just out looking for Kurama to help him from the start or end of the fight. He was young(16) and fighting at the time the most powerful Shinobi, that is stressful for anyone. So how would you expect him to act when the girl who he secretly loves looks like she is dead?? He already had pain from the death of Jiraiya and Hinata getting hurt just sealed the deal. He was lost and needed help and was all alone out there. Kurama as devious as he was took the advantage of that opportunity. Yes it was a PLOT TURN but it was a great one because we got to see; the feelings Naruto has for Hinata, how lost Naruto really was fighting at such a young age, Kurama dedication to get free, his father's wishes & story, and his mothers love.

4. Then I hear everyone whining about after the Chibaku Tensei that Naruto was suppose to lose. HOW?? Naruto finally found some peace within himself and became a Sage once again which Nagato already was having a problem with matching Naruto physically.

5. It was nice to see Naruto defeat Pain in his base mode which too me was very iconic by him defeating Pain with his father's powerful jutsu.

P.S We have seen how powerful Naruto could get when he fused Sage Mode with Kurama's Chakra and it was awesomly. Naruto was very confident that he was able to destroy both Nagato and Konan in an instant. Now just like all the what ifs for Nagato. What if Naruto had that peace or whatever he had in order to fuse into something 5x more powerful than both of the transformations together that he went though at the beginning of the fight??
 
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