[VS] Naruto vs EMS Madara

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Madara wins mid-high difficulty. PS > everything in Naruto's arsenal.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

guess you forgot what nagato did to naruto.

Madara has yet to fight 100% and naruto is already reaching his limit.

Madara winz low mid diff

You're blissfully forgetting that Naruto didn't have biju mode when Nagato owned him. There are 2 other factors to take into consideration in that fight. Nagato boosted himself with Bee's chakra. Naruto countered almighty push before in base mode with shadow clones, but already spread his shadow clones across the battlefield. He couldn't use them in the fight. Naruto might have been able to beet Nagato if he hadn't used up his shadow clones.

You also seem to be confused about Madara's abilities in this thread. I'm talking about Madara when he was alive and didn't have wood style or rinnegan. We've seen his full strength in his battle against Hashirama. It would be ludicrous to deny this considering that he lost.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Madara wins mid-high difficulty. PS > everything in Naruto's arsenal.

Please explain further. What's greater about the susanoo? If what you're reffering to is it's attack power, don't forget that even if Madara can overpower Naruto's 9 tails cloak, it could keep Madara occupied with 9 tails cloak while shadow clones attack him where he's not focusing his attention. Sage art: massive ransengan mega barrage is extremely powerful. A single massive ransengan from Jiraya was said to be strong enough to hollow out a mountain if it exploded. Imagine a barrage of ransengans even stronger than that. Madara's sussano would be destroyed.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

guess you forgot what nagato did to naruto.

Madara has yet to fight 100% and naruto is already reaching his limit.

Madara winz low mid diff

You sent a rep that was grey. Does that mean you were trying to neg rep me for having an opinion different from yours? If you were, you need to chill out.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Please explain further. What's greater about the susanoo? If what you're reffering to is it's attack power, don't forget that even if Madara can overpower Naruto's 9 tails cloak, it could keep Madara occupied with 9 tails cloak while shadow clones attack him where he's not focusing his attention. Sage art: massive ransengan mega barrage is extremely powerful. A single massive ransengan from Jiraya was said to be strong enough to hollow out a mountain if it exploded. Imagine a barrage of ransengans even stronger than that. Madara's sussano would be destroyed.

Nah, I disagree. Naruto has NOTHING to destroy his PS Susanoo. IMO even his TBB is too weak to destroy it. A single Bijuu/ Jinchuuriki is not enough against Madara. He is just too strong.

 

[Omega]

There seems to be a great debate going on, anyway it is plausible that naruto could grab the susano'o but the perfect susano'o is pretty huge and a great defense. I think madara would either break out the chakra arms or use another powerful jutsu to attack naruto while captive. Maybe he doesnt even need to use the perfect susano'o, it has been seen that he can multiply himself by like 15 and use 15susano'o(not perfect). Numbers might simply overwhelm naruto. Madara has many more jutsu besides the perfect susano'o(even though this is enough) and i think that gves him an edge. Madara wins high diff

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Nah, I disagree. Naruto has NOTHING to destroy his PS Susanoo. IMO even his TBB is too weak to destroy it. A single Bijuu/ Jinchuuriki is not enough against Madara. He is just too strong.

I disagree as his TBB was enough to equal the power of 5 biju together but oh well.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

I disagree as his TBB was enough to equal the power of 5 biju together but oh well.

And? Onoki's jinton destroyed 25 Perfect Susanoo, but it didn't even scratched the PS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Please explain further. What's greater about the susanoo? If what you're reffering to is it's attack power, don't forget that even if Madara can overpower Naruto's 9 tails cloak, it could keep Madara occupied with 9 tails cloak while shadow clones attack him where he's not focusing his attention. Sage art: massive ransengan mega barrage is extremely powerful. A single massive ransengan from Jiraya was said to be strong enough to hollow out a mountain if it exploded. Imagine a barrage of ransengans even stronger than that. Madara's sussano would be destroyed.

-Shadow Clones are fodder against PS. 1 slash takes all of them out as they havent shown the ability to replicate the Kurama cloak.
-Rasengan? You'd have to be joking if you think ANY Rasengan is destroying TBB even when multiple versions are used.

TBB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any Rasengan and Madara's Unstabilized PS tanked a TBB. Madara's Ribcage already tanked Chou Oodama Rasengan, PS blows off any Rasengan period.

 

[phylos]

Let's see, Kurama's tailed beast balls destroyed a lot of the top transformed Buddha's arms but, at the same time, a lot of the top transformed Buddha's arms blasted the perfect Susanoo away. Then again the tailed beast balls were combined with the Susanoo sword.
Lol who am I kidding, Madara has this, mid difficulty at most.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Neither Naruto nor Kurama showed signs of fatigue. This makes your argument invalid. Also, Kurama stated that their link was imperfect. Not that it took to much effort that he'd be exhausted the time was limited. If this were the case, then Naruto wouldn't be able to use KCM.

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You say that I deny the obvious, but you assume that your unproved theory is an established fact when there's no solid evidence to support it.

Then tell me, why did Naruto run out of Bijuu mode after he used his STRONGEST Bijuudama?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Then tell me, why did Naruto run out of Bijuu mode after he used his STRONGEST Bijuudama?

He didn't, it was after he ripped out their chakra rods.

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Please reread the chapters again and confirm your points before insulting me. Actually, you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

 

[Unorthodox]

The sword isn't damaging Naruto who could tank the Juubi's tbb. .

why you always say that when that was a laser plus 1st form jubbi tbb is laffable ps sword easily cuts thru that chakra arm

 

[Turson]

A single Bijuu/ Jinchuuriki is not enough against Madara. He is just too strong.

If you aks me, perfect Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi would be stronger than Madara. But Im talking about full Kyuubi.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

TBB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any Rasengan and Madara's Unstabilized PS tanked a TBB.

Uh.

About the Susanoo tanking a Bijuudama.

The bijuudama that was thrown back at him had already lost momentum. Its explosion was much weaker than Naruto's BM Bijuudama which made mountains look like trees ( we're talking Shunsusenju size explosions here ) whereas the Bijuudama PS tanked was barely as tall as a mountain.

You can't really compare those.

 

[KidGamer65]

Uh.

About the Susanoo tanking a Bijuudama.

The bijuudama that was thrown back at him had already lost momentum. Its explosion was much weaker than Naruto's BM Bijuudama which made mountains look like trees ( we're talking Shunsusenju size explosions here ) whereas the Bijuudama PS tanked was barely as tall as a mountain.

You can't really compare those.

Where did I ever compare two Bijuu Damas to each other in my post? I simply said Madara's Susanoo tanked a TBB, which is a fact.

Also, barely as tall as a Mountain?

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See those little things surrounding the explosion? Those are Mountains.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

He didn't, it was after he ripped out their chakra rods.

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Please reread the chapters again and confirm your points before insulting me. Actually, you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

Go to the next page. Naruto was completely exhausted fanboy Lol

 

[shelke]

Naruto clearly couldn't keep up BM thanks to using that large Bijuu Dhama. Even the manga pages confirm so and it would clearly and explicitly state that the more powerful BDs he uses or abuses, the more chakra he loses. This much is manga fact. Hence his best bet is to keep them small and compact.

EMS Madara wins with relative ease. Naruto's large BDs are easily disrupted and his cloak tails destroyed with PS slashes. If he invests more chakra to maintain them, Naruto would run out of time monumentally, as tails are a Bijuus power. They carry a large amount of chakra.

His regular BDs are tanked with zero damage as a sword withstood the dhama without any damage. A Complete Susano'o would be much more compact and durable. He isn't getting past CS even, let alone PS. Once the 8 minute limit is out, Naruto is killed the next second.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Go to the next page. Naruto was completely exhausted fanboy Lol

I'm no fanboy. Fanboys say that their favorite character is the best just because they like him. I don't do that. I have an opinion and some things to back it up. Also, what the HECK does Naruto being exhausted have to do with my response? You said that he lost biju mode after he used his strongest TBB. I simply showed you that he maintained biju mode, but lost it at a different point in a fight. I IN NO WAY claimed that it didn't exhaust him. You're just a troll.

 

[Omega]

It seems like you still deny the obvious.

My main point is that the more chakra one uses, the less time they can fight. It doesnt just apply to Naruto, it applies to everyone.

While this is true we must understand Naruto has been fighting for a long time and he has been lending out and mainting chakra like he is a chakra bank of Naruto. As far as Stamina and Chakra goes not too many people beat Naruto in that regard, plus he has shown better control of the nine tails as this fight progresses. Madara isnt a "no brainer" imo