[VS] Naruto vs EMS Madara

[Sennin of Logic]

Madara doesn't have 9 tails. I think Naruto would win. He can grab Madara's susanoo's arms with his tails. This would make his blades useless. Naruto is able to do this.

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Naruto would proceed to blast the susanoo with continues biju damas
Madara's fire jutsu and yasaka are useless.

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Naruto would win.

 

[KidGamer65]

Do you even realize how big Perfect Susanoo is compared to BM Naruto? He isn't extending his chakra arms all the way towards its arms.

Kakashi and Guy compared to BM Naruto.

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Gokage who are all around Kakashi's height bar Onoki, compared to Susanoo.

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He isnt extending his chakra arms far enough to be able to bind its arms and stop it from moving, especially when its strong enough to cut two Mountains from this distance with just a swing of its blade.

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Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama can be tanked with zero damage just like the 100% Kyuubi's was, while his bigger Bijuu Dama will never be charged up due to Madara interrupting the chargings with his blades.

Don't forget about the 8 minute time limit, after that he has to fight in KCM mode, and he will get stomped in that mode.

Madara wins.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Don't forget about the 8 minute time limit, after that he has to fight in KCM mode, and he will get stomped in that mode.

Adding on... the more Naruto uses his bijuu powers, the more time he uses up in his time limit.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Do you even realize how big Perfect Susanoo is compared to BM Naruto? He isn't extending his chakra arms all the way towards its arms.

Kakashi and Guy compared to BM Naruto.

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Gokage who are all around Kakashi's height bar Onoki, compared to Susanoo.

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He isnt extending his chakra arms far enough to be able to bind its arms and stop it from moving, especially when its strong enough to cut two Mountains from this distance with just a swing of its blade.

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Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama can be tanked with zero damage just like the 100% Kyuubi's was, while his bigger Bijuu Dama will never be charged up due to Madara interrupting the chargings with his blades.

Don't forget about the 8 minute time limit, after that he has to fight in KCM mode, and he will get stomped in that mode.

Madara wins.

There's no defined limit of the distance of chakra arms, so that can only by labeled as an opinion, not a fact. And cutting the mountains is a demonstration of cutting power, not strength. He bragged about the sword, not his susanoo's strength.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Adding on... the more Naruto uses his bijuu powers, the more time he uses up in his time limit.

No chapter supports this. Feel free to prove me wrong by showing a pic that states this.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

No chapter supports this. Feel free to prove me wrong by showing a pic that states this.

Go reread chapter 571 and see if he actually fought for 5 minutes.

 

[KidGamer65]

There's no defined limit of the distance of chakra arms, so that can only by labeled as an opinion, not a fact. And cutting the mountains is a demonstration of cutting power, not strength. He bragged about the sword, not his susanoo's strength.

The fact that we haven't seen it means you can't assume he can do it, just because there is no defined limit, doesn't mean that you can pick any point and say that's his limit.

No. That is a strength feat more than it is a cutting feat. Susanoo would be able to swing that sword hard enough with one arm to cause that much damage if it were weak. Not to mention the sword never really even touched the Mountains or the ground. The Susanoo simply swung the blade so hard it created those shockwaves. That is an example of strength.

It should be common sense that the effectiveness of a sword swing comes down to strength, how hard you swing the weapon.

 

[Turson]

Do you even realize how big Perfect Susanoo is compared to BM Naruto? He isn't extending his chakra arms all the way towards its arms.

Hmm... to be fair, chakra arms have been seen to be able to extent to great lenghts.

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[KidGamer65]

Hmm... to be fair, chakra arms have been seen to be able to extent to great lenghts.

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But near Mountain level? (PS's size) I guess its possible as they are just chakra arms.

 

[Turson]

But near Mountain level? (PS's size) I guess its possible as they are just chakra arms.

Why not? If KM4 Naruto was able to make chakra arm that was like xxx times longer than his body I dont see a reason why Naruto in BM wouldnt be able to do the same.

 

[Shinobi2000]

Do you even realize how big Perfect Susanoo is compared to BM Naruto? He isn't extending his chakra arms all the way towards its arms.

Kakashi and Guy compared to BM Naruto.

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Gokage who are all around Kakashi's height bar Onoki, compared to Susanoo.

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He isnt extending his chakra arms far enough to be able to bind its arms and stop it from moving, especially when its strong enough to cut two Mountains from this distance with just a swing of its blade.

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Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama can be tanked with zero damage just like the 100% Kyuubi's was, while his bigger Bijuu Dama will never be charged up due to Madara interrupting the chargings with his blades.

Don't forget about the 8 minute time limit, after that he has to fight in KCM mode, and he will get stomped in that mode.

Madara wins.

I would just like to mention that the link you gave where you compare Kakashi and Guy to BM Naruto is not their size but perspective in drawing, they're on the foreground while Kyubi and Hachibi are in the background. They're not so small man, if you look carefully you will see on that pic. that inside of chakra Kurama's head there is Naruto which is way smaller, also Kakashi was taken inside of Kurama's chakra before and he was tiny then... so basically this is not BM Naruto's size, just perspective, distance in which Guy and Kakashi are in front...

And my personal opinion, yeah, Naruto takes EMS Madara, he's got more chakra, more resistance and more power, he can create hundreds of clones that would distract Madara while he'd charge his strongest version of TBB, he can spam FRS and he can tank a Juubi TBB, he's strong and resistant enough. The only thing I'm not sure about is how would he handle genjutsu...

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Go reread chapter 571 and see if he actually fought for 5 minutes.

You can't judge how much time is spent in a manga. It's a bunch of pictures. You can't tell time with that. There's no evidence supporting what you said. Also, what makes you think that it didn't take 5 minutes. Kurama stated that there would be a 5 minute limit when he was in 9 tails mode. By following your logic, Naruto can last in biju mode longer than 8 minutes if not using 9 tails cloak.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

You can't judge how much time is spent in a manga. It's a bunch of pictures. You can't tell time with that. There's no evidence supporting what you said. Also, what makes you think that it didn't take 5 minutes. Kurama stated that there would be a 5 minute limit when he was in 9 tails mode. By following your logic, Naruto can last in biju mode longer than 8 minutes if not using 9 tails cloak.

Speculate the Anime. Can that whole chapter be animated in exactly 5 minutes?

 

[Optimistic]

Madara wins against that cut fox.​

 

[abcdefgh]

I'm still going with EMS Madara on this one.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Speculate the Anime. Can that whole chapter be animated in exactly 5 minutes?

Yes. It can.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Yes. It can.

It seems like you still deny the obvious.

My main point is that the more chakra one uses, the less time they can fight. It doesnt just apply to Naruto, it applies to everyone.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It seems like you still deny the obvious.

My main point is that the more chakra one uses, the less time they can fight. It doesnt just apply to Naruto, it applies to everyone.

Neither Naruto nor Kurama showed signs of fatigue. This makes your argument invalid. Also, Kurama stated that their link was imperfect. Not that it took to much effort that he'd be exhausted the time was limited. If this were the case, then Naruto wouldn't be able to use KCM.

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You say that I deny the obvious, but you assume that your unproved theory is an established fact when there's no solid evidence to support it.

 

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so this is foddera not rinnegan immortal unlimited chakra madara
Naruto mid diff

 

[Midday]

BM has better offensive and defensive power than Madara's perfect susanoo, he also didn't have the same stabalised susanoo with legs when he had the EMS.

Naruto's BM lasts for at least 8 mins, we don't know how much it's duration has improved yet. The sword isn't damaging Naruto who could tank the Juubi's tbb. This fight comes down to how perfect susanoo fairs against a tbb barrage or the super tbb Naruto can do which is on a completely different scale than the standard one he blocked. Also who can maintain their BM or PS longer.