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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
Biju's would make it harder to control. Im not including it just because he hasn't controlled it, Its not like Obito who has Direct Senju DNA, Direct Uchiha DNA, and Rinnegan.
Kabuto directly stated that it was his movements and reactions. Not just mobility.
The Plot had Nagato's back more. He wouldn't even be able to stay alive with 14 KM Naruto's Running around, much less grab Naruto. Nagato reactions are horrible, your going against facts. Not that it matters, No one has the Reactions to keep up with KM Naruto's Shunshin. Clones are Flesh and Bone like the Original, contact with clones wont make them dissapear. Your still going on about Reacting when Nagato Simple Can't
How Durable do you think wood building are? That Jutsu is mostly AoE, Bijudama puts Chou Shinra Tensei to Shame in terms of Destructive-ness, All shinra Tensei has is AoE.
Madara would be on the head of Perfect Susanoo, Far out of the range of Bansho Ten'in. Gedo Mazo is wrecked by the Susanoo slash.
What ST are you saying would block the slash? none of them can.
They simple used 3 attacks to destroy it, that doesn't mean less damage wouldn't destroy it. Bijudama alone would have gotten the job done.
Databook never once stated that Preta Path had no limits. It Said that it could absorb any "Form" of Attack. There is a logical limit to Preta that DA will provide when he gets on that is practically fact.
Biju's would make it harder to control. Im not including it just because he hasn't controlled it, Its not like Obito who has Direct Senju DNA, Direct Uchiha DNA, and Rinnegan.
Kabuto directly stated that it was his movements and reactions. Not just mobility.
The Plot had Nagato's back more. He wouldn't even be able to stay alive with 14 KM Naruto's Running around, much less grab Naruto. Nagato reactions are horrible, your going against facts. Not that it matters, No one has the Reactions to keep up with KM Naruto's Shunshin. Clones are Flesh and Bone like the Original, contact with clones wont make them dissapear. Your still going on about Reacting when Nagato Simple Can't
How Durable do you think wood building are? That Jutsu is mostly AoE, Bijudama puts Chou Shinra Tensei to Shame in terms of Destructive-ness, All shinra Tensei has is AoE.
Madara would be on the head of Perfect Susanoo, Far out of the range of Bansho Ten'in. Gedo Mazo is wrecked by the Susanoo slash.
What ST are you saying would block the slash? none of them can.
They simple used 3 attacks to destroy it, that doesn't mean less damage wouldn't destroy it. Bijudama alone would have gotten the job done.
Databook never once stated that Preta Path had no limits. It Said that it could absorb any "Form" of Attack. There is a logical limit to Preta that DA will provide when he gets on that is practically fact.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
Madara stated it takes Uchiha and Senju dna to control gedo mazo which Nagato has. He's already shown the ability to control it, it containing bijuu's makes a difference it's not even hinted that it does.
Nothing about reactions, I don't know why they would come into play since Kabuto was the one controlling him.
Plot was what kept Naruto alive regardless. As mentioned above Nagato's reactions are fine and it is not fact that he has bad reactions.
It was more the fact that they were reduced to nothing, how durable do you think susanoo is?
Out of range? Madara pulled a meteor out of the sky, where is this range limit coming from? Not that it matters since he can use that bird summon to get in range. Gedo mazo isn't getting wrecked, it's the Juubi's body and we both know how durable that is.
What is this based on? You're just dismissing Nagato, a shinra tensei equal or more powerful than ps slash would stop it.
They may have used 3 attacks, but it's just an assumption that anything less than those attacks would destroy it, you can't be sure which you certainly sound like, it's like you're telling me a fact, which it isn't. Ps slashes destructive power isn't that close compared to a bijuudama's.
I've given another counter to a tbb. But as for petra path Naruto wikia and many posters didn't get the idea that petra path can absorb infinite from nowhere. The page calls it a bottomless pit, which can be used as synonym for infinite.
Madara stated it takes Uchiha and Senju dna to control gedo mazo which Nagato has. He's already shown the ability to control it, it containing bijuu's makes a difference it's not even hinted that it does.
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Plot was what kept Naruto alive regardless. As mentioned above Nagato's reactions are fine and it is not fact that he has bad reactions.
It was more the fact that they were reduced to nothing, how durable do you think susanoo is?
Out of range? Madara pulled a meteor out of the sky, where is this range limit coming from? Not that it matters since he can use that bird summon to get in range. Gedo mazo isn't getting wrecked, it's the Juubi's body and we both know how durable that is.
What is this based on? You're just dismissing Nagato, a shinra tensei equal or more powerful than ps slash would stop it.
They may have used 3 attacks, but it's just an assumption that anything less than those attacks would destroy it, you can't be sure which you certainly sound like, it's like you're telling me a fact, which it isn't. Ps slashes destructive power isn't that close compared to a bijuudama's.
I've given another counter to a tbb. But as for petra path Naruto wikia and many posters didn't get the idea that petra path can absorb infinite from nowhere. The page calls it a bottomless pit, which can be used as synonym for infinite.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
Naruto is not the physically strongest, his headbutt in BM didn't kill Obito or even knock him out. Sakura or Tsunade would have annihilated Obito with one hit.
Naruto is not the physically strongest, his headbutt in BM didn't kill Obito or even knock him out. Sakura or Tsunade would have annihilated Obito with one hit.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
It should be commen sense, its already stated that controlling Biju's Takes a heft amount of chakra. Adding Biju's to Gedo Mazo would naturally make it harder to control.
Correct Translation says "Damn you Nagato. Your Sense's were Dull" thats what it said on ***********.
Nagato's reactions are horrid. This matters little however, even if he was in tip top condition he wouldn't be able to react to Naruto's Shunshin.
Re-Read the fight. Debris and Destroyed building were everywhere. Perfect Susanoo Tanked the Strongest Jinton Without a Scratch
Dont give Nagato feats from Madara. You can't even prove that was related to Bansho Ten'in anyway. The Gedo Mazo that Nagato use's ins't the juubi. Birds get destroyed just by the shockwave of the slash.
Do you even know what your talking about? Shinra Tensei is all AoE, It Killed almost No one when it was used and everone was within its AoE and many of them wern't protected by katsuya. Plus Nagato can't use it repeadadly, even by the miracle that it stops one slash, madara just rears back and does another, not to mention Chou Shinra Tensei has a huge Start up and if he's not in the air the whole jutsu will get weaker from being in contact with the ground at the beggining.
Your Trying to make it a fact that it would take all those attacks. Which in reality they just just used 3 because it would be a guarentee.
You've Given no counter for Bijudama. The Databook is known for using flowerly language "Amaterasu is as hot as the son" "The amount of attacks that can break domu can be counted on one hand" "Kusanagi can cut anything" These are hyperbole to overexagerate a feauture that will imply that it is a strong jutsu. It doensn't specifically say that it can absorb an infinte amount of chakra. That whole page just implies that it can absorb any form of Ninjutsu.
I even went through the trouble of finding DA's Post on another forum so we dont have to wait for him.
This is DA's Explanation i had to rumage around for on other forums
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Edo Tensei Chakra:
When Madara was Freed from the Edo Tensei Covenant he Stated that Edo Tensei's have and Infinte Amount of Chakra. People have Taken this to mean that And Shinobi Resurected With Edo Tensei can Spam Jutsu's and make them much more powerful that they normally would.
This is False, While The Edo Tensei Bodies do have an unlimited amount of Resouces from which to make chakra they cannot Knead or release more chakra than there body could before resurection (or however much their body could in the state it was ressurected in.
I Base this on The Fact that Muu was incapable of Using Jinton after being split.
After Being Split the amount of chakra he could release/Knead was effectivly cut in half.
Further Proof on the fact that only a certain amount of chakra can be kneaded/Released by any certain person is proven by Naruto's Learning of the Rasengan. He had to Train his Chakra Ciculatory System to Knead more chakra and Also be able to release and sustain more chakra (the Second Step of the Training is an excellent example)
So In conclusion, Yes Edo Tensei Bodies have the Resouces to Continously Make Chakra, Yet the ninja Cannot Knead/Release more chakra than when they could in their life.
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Preta Path:
Preta Path has the ability to Abosorb Ninjutsu and Render them useless. This is done by taking in the Chakra and spinning the chakra until it is steralized (this is stated in the databook but i couldn't find the page to save my life) The Chakra does not go to the Preta path users chakra reservers but instead literally becomes nothing (for the lack of a better of a better way to put it)
I find that this is done by opening the Tenketsu and allowing the jutsu to flow into the user's Chakra Ciruclatory system (The opposite of Kaiten in a way) The Chakra is then Spun until it becomes sterile.
Now there's Two Factors that dictate how much the user can Absorb and how fast they can absorb it.
1. The Amount of Chakra that the User can Knead/Release
2. The User's Skill in Chakra Control
The Amount of Chakra that the User Can Knead/Release Dictates the amount of Chakra that The user of Preta Path can allow into their Chakra System at one time. Chakra being absorbed must be spun and sterilized to allow more to enter the system, This is where the User's Skill in Chakra Controll comes into play. The user's Chakra Control Dicates the Speed at which they can spin the absorbed chakra and therfore means that the better chakra control they have the faster they sterilize the absorbed chakra. The Use of the Barrier when using Preta Path means that the user has either worse Chakra control or cannot Knead/Release as much Chakra as one that does not have to use the barrier. Meaning that the path that used preta in the six paths of Pain cannot absorb as much chakra as Madara or Nagato.
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By my own Opinions, Calculations, and Assumptions on the above i will give what i believe to be the end of the "Preta vs Bijudama" Debate.
This is done from the persepctive that the Preta user is standing still with absolutly nothing in the way of Bijudama, This is purely Preta vs. Bijudama (single form, Not any of the higher versions)
Path that used Preta in the Six paths of Pain: Would be able to absorb a decent chunk of Bijudama but would it would be in futility, The likes of this path body will never be found again.
Madara: Would be Able to Absorb a very large Chunk of it. But this would also not be enough to survive. Madara's Edo Body is Going to Need a Few Minutes to Regerate.
Nagato: Nagato would be able to absorb almost the entire Bijudama. The Result after the clash would be Nagato absorbing just enough to allow him to tank what was left of it. Leaving him With Serious Burns, Scrapes, Fractured bones, and just genrally beat up.
It should be commen sense, its already stated that controlling Biju's Takes a heft amount of chakra. Adding Biju's to Gedo Mazo would naturally make it harder to control.
Correct Translation says "Damn you Nagato. Your Sense's were Dull" thats what it said on ***********.
Nagato's reactions are horrid. This matters little however, even if he was in tip top condition he wouldn't be able to react to Naruto's Shunshin.
Re-Read the fight. Debris and Destroyed building were everywhere. Perfect Susanoo Tanked the Strongest Jinton Without a Scratch
Dont give Nagato feats from Madara. You can't even prove that was related to Bansho Ten'in anyway. The Gedo Mazo that Nagato use's ins't the juubi. Birds get destroyed just by the shockwave of the slash.
Do you even know what your talking about? Shinra Tensei is all AoE, It Killed almost No one when it was used and everone was within its AoE and many of them wern't protected by katsuya. Plus Nagato can't use it repeadadly, even by the miracle that it stops one slash, madara just rears back and does another, not to mention Chou Shinra Tensei has a huge Start up and if he's not in the air the whole jutsu will get weaker from being in contact with the ground at the beggining.
Your Trying to make it a fact that it would take all those attacks. Which in reality they just just used 3 because it would be a guarentee.
You've Given no counter for Bijudama. The Databook is known for using flowerly language "Amaterasu is as hot as the son" "The amount of attacks that can break domu can be counted on one hand" "Kusanagi can cut anything" These are hyperbole to overexagerate a feauture that will imply that it is a strong jutsu. It doensn't specifically say that it can absorb an infinte amount of chakra. That whole page just implies that it can absorb any form of Ninjutsu.
I even went through the trouble of finding DA's Post on another forum so we dont have to wait for him.
This is DA's Explanation i had to rumage around for on other forums
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Edo Tensei Chakra:
When Madara was Freed from the Edo Tensei Covenant he Stated that Edo Tensei's have and Infinte Amount of Chakra. People have Taken this to mean that And Shinobi Resurected With Edo Tensei can Spam Jutsu's and make them much more powerful that they normally would.
This is False, While The Edo Tensei Bodies do have an unlimited amount of Resouces from which to make chakra they cannot Knead or release more chakra than there body could before resurection (or however much their body could in the state it was ressurected in.
I Base this on The Fact that Muu was incapable of Using Jinton after being split.
After Being Split the amount of chakra he could release/Knead was effectivly cut in half.
Further Proof on the fact that only a certain amount of chakra can be kneaded/Released by any certain person is proven by Naruto's Learning of the Rasengan. He had to Train his Chakra Ciculatory System to Knead more chakra and Also be able to release and sustain more chakra (the Second Step of the Training is an excellent example)
So In conclusion, Yes Edo Tensei Bodies have the Resouces to Continously Make Chakra, Yet the ninja Cannot Knead/Release more chakra than when they could in their life.
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Madara's Statement on Edo Tensei:
Muu's Edo Body Failing to use Jinton:
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Preta Path:
Preta Path has the ability to Abosorb Ninjutsu and Render them useless. This is done by taking in the Chakra and spinning the chakra until it is steralized (this is stated in the databook but i couldn't find the page to save my life) The Chakra does not go to the Preta path users chakra reservers but instead literally becomes nothing (for the lack of a better of a better way to put it)
I find that this is done by opening the Tenketsu and allowing the jutsu to flow into the user's Chakra Ciruclatory system (The opposite of Kaiten in a way) The Chakra is then Spun until it becomes sterile.
Now there's Two Factors that dictate how much the user can Absorb and how fast they can absorb it.
1. The Amount of Chakra that the User can Knead/Release
2. The User's Skill in Chakra Control
The Amount of Chakra that the User Can Knead/Release Dictates the amount of Chakra that The user of Preta Path can allow into their Chakra System at one time. Chakra being absorbed must be spun and sterilized to allow more to enter the system, This is where the User's Skill in Chakra Controll comes into play. The user's Chakra Control Dicates the Speed at which they can spin the absorbed chakra and therfore means that the better chakra control they have the faster they sterilize the absorbed chakra. The Use of the Barrier when using Preta Path means that the user has either worse Chakra control or cannot Knead/Release as much Chakra as one that does not have to use the barrier. Meaning that the path that used preta in the six paths of Pain cannot absorb as much chakra as Madara or Nagato.
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By my own Opinions, Calculations, and Assumptions on the above i will give what i believe to be the end of the "Preta vs Bijudama" Debate.
This is done from the persepctive that the Preta user is standing still with absolutly nothing in the way of Bijudama, This is purely Preta vs. Bijudama (single form, Not any of the higher versions)
Path that used Preta in the Six paths of Pain: Would be able to absorb a decent chunk of Bijudama but would it would be in futility, The likes of this path body will never be found again.
Madara: Would be Able to Absorb a very large Chunk of it. But this would also not be enough to survive. Madara's Edo Body is Going to Need a Few Minutes to Regerate.
Nagato: Nagato would be able to absorb almost the entire Bijudama. The Result after the clash would be Nagato absorbing just enough to allow him to tank what was left of it. Leaving him With Serious Burns, Scrapes, Fractured bones, and just genrally beat up.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
This is a really good tier list bro, I only read up to Kage Tier(lol less than half) but still I'll have to read more. I have trouble actually reading through entire tier lists and comparing characters of who's overall stronger to be placed higher at one time, so I'll look more into it but so far it's pretty good.
Only potential problem is not adding an extra tier for EMS Madara and Hashirama or moving them up one, since the people on the above tier are the only ones who could even potentially stand a chance. Even among Nagato, KB and RM Naruto, they seem to be in simply another league, although you did pick good choices to put on his level out of anyone. Can't say I disagree at all.
This is a really good tier list bro, I only read up to Kage Tier(lol less than half) but still I'll have to read more. I have trouble actually reading through entire tier lists and comparing characters of who's overall stronger to be placed higher at one time, so I'll look more into it but so far it's pretty good.
Only potential problem is not adding an extra tier for EMS Madara and Hashirama or moving them up one, since the people on the above tier are the only ones who could even potentially stand a chance. Even among Nagato, KB and RM Naruto, they seem to be in simply another league, although you did pick good choices to put on his level out of anyone. Can't say I disagree at all.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
What's the difference between Obito (Rinnegan) and Obito (War arc)? And Obito (MS) should be higher than High-Kage. He can take on just about anyone with Kamui and st alone. And Naruto (Pain Arc) should not be Demi-God tier and Naruto (Early War Arc) should be no more than demi-God tier.
But other then that it's a pretty good list.
What's the difference between Obito (Rinnegan) and Obito (War arc)? And Obito (MS) should be higher than High-Kage. He can take on just about anyone with Kamui and st alone. And Naruto (Pain Arc) should not be Demi-God tier and Naruto (Early War Arc) should be no more than demi-God tier.
But other then that it's a pretty good list.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
Haha, he's so high because in my list because of his hype. Supposedly he made the Sanin look like chumps
War Arc Obito is with his Jinchuriki paths, Rinnegan obito is without them.
Early war Arc with his 14 Kage Rapeing Kage Bunshin? Naw. IMO He's stronger than Nagato.
Pain Arc Naruto is stronger than half the people in Demi-God. Hell, once he goes 6tk He shits on EMS Sasuke
Haha, he's so high because in my list because of his hype. Supposedly he made the Sanin look like chumps
War Arc Obito is with his Jinchuriki paths, Rinnegan obito is without them.
Early war Arc with his 14 Kage Rapeing Kage Bunshin? Naw. IMO He's stronger than Nagato.
Pain Arc Naruto is stronger than half the people in Demi-God. Hell, once he goes 6tk He shits on EMS Sasuke
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Re: Naruto Tier List V.5 (Final)
shouldnt hashirama be with kabuto and obito?
shouldnt hashirama be with kabuto and obito?
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Naruto Tier List V5.1
God Tier+++:
Rikudo
God Tier+:
Kabuto (Snake, W/Edo) >>> Naruto (War Arc), Edo Madara, Obito (War Arc)
God Tier:
EMS Madara, Hashirama, Nagato (Healthy), Naruto (Early War Arc)
Demi-God Tier:
Killer Bee, Pain, Itachi (Healthy), Minato, EMS Sasuke, Kisame, Jiriaya, Orochimaru, Muu, Kabuto (Snake, w/o Edo), Naruto (Pain Arc), Izuna, 3rd Raikage, Obito (Rinnegan), Kakashi (War Arc), Onoki
High Kage Tier:
Guy (War Arc), Obito (MS), A, Gaara, 2nd Mizukage, Danzo, MS Sasuke, Itachi (Sick), Kinkaku, Ginkaku, Tobirama, Shisui, Tsunade, Sakumo
Kage Tier:
Hebi Sasuke, Sasori, Kakuzu, Konan, Deidara, Naruto (Immortals Arc), Kakashi (Immortals Arc)
Low Kage Tier:
Mei, Kakashi (Early Pt. 2), Naruto (Early Pt. 2), 4th Kazekage, Hiruzen (Old), Fugaku
High Jonin Tier:
Orochimaru (Arms Sealed), Sasuke (Taka), Darui, Chiyo, Kankuro (War Arc), Hiashi, Anbu Itachi, Kitsuchi, Kakashi (End of Pt.1), Kimmimaro, Sasuke (Early Pt. 2),
Jonin Tier:
Neji, Hidan, Fuu, Torune, Temari, Kankuro, Asuma, InoIchi, Shikaku, Choza, Mifune, Gari, Akatsuchi, Kabuto (Human), Kakashi (Early pt. 1), Anbu Kakashi, Jinin, Jinpachi, Ameyuri, Fuguki, Mangetsu, Zabuza, Kagami, Pakura, Kiba, Choji (War Arc), Lee, Sai
Low Jonin Tier:
Jugo, Suigetsu, Toroi, Chujiro, Kurotsuchi, Obito (Young, MS, Mokuton)
Tokubetsu Jonin Tier:
Naruto (VOTE), Sasuke (VOTE), Gaara (SRA), Kakashi (Gaiden), Anko, Kurenai, Hayate Gekko, C, Omoi, Shigure, Karui, Dan
High Chunin Tier:
Sakura, Kankuro (SRA), Temari (SRA) Gaara (3rd Exam), Sakon/Ukon, Kidomaro, Tayuya, Jirobo, Neji (SRA), Naruto (3rd Exam), Obito (Gaiden), Choji (SRA), Genma, Raido, Lee (SRA), Kiba (SRA), Shino
Chunin Tier:
Ebisu, Ino, Ten-Ten, Haku, Sasuke (3rd Exam), Shikamaru (SRA), Konohamaru (Pt. 2)
Genin Tier:
Mizuki, Iruka, Ino (Pt. 1), Kiba ( Early Pt. 1), Choji (Early Pt. 1), Shino (Pt. 1), Sasuke (Early Pt. 1), Naruto (Early Pt. 1), Hinata (Pt. 1), Ten-Ten (Pt. 1), Karin, Dosu, Zaku, Kin, Shikamaru (Early Pt. 1), Hinabi, Demon Brothers, Tsurugi, Yoroi, Temari (Chunin Exams)
Academy Tier:
Konohamaru (Pt.1), Moegi, Udon
No Order Per Tier
God Tier+++:
Rikudo
God Tier+:
Kabuto (Snake, W/Edo) >>> Naruto (War Arc), Edo Madara, Obito (War Arc)
God Tier:
EMS Madara, Hashirama, Nagato (Healthy), Naruto (Early War Arc)
Demi-God Tier:
Killer Bee, Pain, Itachi (Healthy), Minato, EMS Sasuke, Kisame, Jiriaya, Orochimaru, Muu, Kabuto (Snake, w/o Edo), Naruto (Pain Arc), Izuna, 3rd Raikage, Obito (Rinnegan), Kakashi (War Arc), Onoki
High Kage Tier:
Guy (War Arc), Obito (MS), A, Gaara, 2nd Mizukage, Danzo, MS Sasuke, Itachi (Sick), Kinkaku, Ginkaku, Tobirama, Shisui, Tsunade, Sakumo
Kage Tier:
Hebi Sasuke, Sasori, Kakuzu, Konan, Deidara, Naruto (Immortals Arc), Kakashi (Immortals Arc)
Low Kage Tier:
Mei, Kakashi (Early Pt. 2), Naruto (Early Pt. 2), 4th Kazekage, Hiruzen (Old), Fugaku
High Jonin Tier:
Orochimaru (Arms Sealed), Sasuke (Taka), Darui, Chiyo, Kankuro (War Arc), Hiashi, Anbu Itachi, Kitsuchi, Kakashi (End of Pt.1), Kimmimaro, Sasuke (Early Pt. 2),
Jonin Tier:
Neji, Hidan, Fuu, Torune, Temari, Kankuro, Asuma, InoIchi, Shikaku, Choza, Mifune, Gari, Akatsuchi, Kabuto (Human), Kakashi (Early pt. 1), Anbu Kakashi, Jinin, Jinpachi, Ameyuri, Fuguki, Mangetsu, Zabuza, Kagami, Pakura, Kiba, Choji (War Arc), Lee, Sai
Low Jonin Tier:
Jugo, Suigetsu, Toroi, Chujiro, Kurotsuchi, Obito (Young, MS, Mokuton)
Tokubetsu Jonin Tier:
Naruto (VOTE), Sasuke (VOTE), Gaara (SRA), Kakashi (Gaiden), Anko, Kurenai, Hayate Gekko, C, Omoi, Shigure, Karui, Dan
High Chunin Tier:
Sakura, Kankuro (SRA), Temari (SRA) Gaara (3rd Exam), Sakon/Ukon, Kidomaro, Tayuya, Jirobo, Neji (SRA), Naruto (3rd Exam), Obito (Gaiden), Choji (SRA), Genma, Raido, Lee (SRA), Kiba (SRA), Shino
Chunin Tier:
Ebisu, Ino, Ten-Ten, Haku, Sasuke (3rd Exam), Shikamaru (SRA), Konohamaru (Pt. 2)
Genin Tier:
Mizuki, Iruka, Ino (Pt. 1), Kiba ( Early Pt. 1), Choji (Early Pt. 1), Shino (Pt. 1), Sasuke (Early Pt. 1), Naruto (Early Pt. 1), Hinata (Pt. 1), Ten-Ten (Pt. 1), Karin, Dosu, Zaku, Kin, Shikamaru (Early Pt. 1), Hinabi, Demon Brothers, Tsurugi, Yoroi, Temari (Chunin Exams)
Academy Tier:
Konohamaru (Pt.1), Moegi, Udon
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
I would move Kabuto (Snake, w/o Edo) into the God Tier, seeing as the guy has everything. Taijutsu doesn't work (liquify), most ninjutsu won't work (faster than Susanoo arrows), and has good genjutsu (sound genjutsu), and sage mode to top it all off.
Also, Rinnegan Obito (in your list is Demi-God) > EMS Madara, Nagato and Naruto (who are all in the God tier). Obito is probably 2nd/3rd all time, after Kabuto and maybe Hashirama.
I would move Kabuto (Snake, w/o Edo) into the God Tier, seeing as the guy has everything. Taijutsu doesn't work (liquify), most ninjutsu won't work (faster than Susanoo arrows), and has good genjutsu (sound genjutsu), and sage mode to top it all off.
Also, Rinnegan Obito (in your list is Demi-God) > EMS Madara, Nagato and Naruto (who are all in the God tier). Obito is probably 2nd/3rd all time, after Kabuto and maybe Hashirama.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
Kabuto without edo isn't even on the same level as EMS Madara, Hashirama, Healthy Nagato or RM Naruto. Not even close.
Rinnegan Obito is the one that Kakashi fought, Without Edo Jins. He's not better than any of them.
Kabuto without edo isn't even on the same level as EMS Madara, Hashirama, Healthy Nagato or RM Naruto. Not even close.
Rinnegan Obito is the one that Kakashi fought, Without Edo Jins. He's not better than any of them.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
God Tier+++:
Rikudo
God Tier+:
Kabuto (Snake, W/Edo) >>> Naruto (War Arc), Edo Madara, Obito (War Arc) Naruto isn't on the same level as Obito or Edo Madara
God Tier:
EMS Madara, Hashirama, Nagato (Healthy), Naruto (Early War Arc) Early War Arc Naruto isn't on the same level as the others on this tier. Remember he couldn't spam clones and didn't have bijuu mode.
Demi-God Tier:
Killer Bee, Pain, Itachi (Healthy), Minato, EMS Sasuke, Kisame, Jiriaya, Orochimaru, Muu, Kabuto (Snake, w/o Edo), Naruto (Pain Arc), Izuna, 3rd Raikage, Obito (Rinnegan), Kakashi (War Arc), Onoki Obito shits on everyone on this tier.
High Kage Tier:
Guy (War Arc), Obito (MS), A, Gaara, 2nd Mizukage, Danzo, MS Sasuke, Itachi (Sick), Kinkaku, Ginkaku, Tobirama, Shisui, Tsunade, Sakumo MS Obito craps on most in the demi god tier. MS Sasuke and Itachi crap on almost everyone on this tier as well as the one above. They should be moved up a bit.
Kage Tier:
Hebi Sasuke, Sasori, Kakuzu, Konan, Deidara, Naruto (Immortals Arc), Kakashi (Immortals Arc)Naruto in the Immortals arc was no where on the same level as the others. Some people on the jounin tier could beat him.
Low Kage Tier:
Mei, Kakashi (Early Pt. 2), Naruto (Early Pt. 2), 4th Kazekage, Hiruzen (Old), Fugaku Once again you overrate Naruto.
High Jonin Tier:
Orochimaru (Arms Sealed), Sasuke (Taka), Darui, Chiyo, Kankuro (War Arc), Hiashi, Anbu Itachi, Kitsuchi, Kakashi (End of Pt.1), Kimmimaro, Sasuke (Early Pt. 2), Move Oro up a tier because even with arms sealed, he is very powerful. You should move Temari on this tier and maybe Rock Lee and Neji too. Mifune should come up to this tier.
Jonin Tier:
Neji, Hidan, Fuu, Torune, Temari, Kankuro, Asuma, InoIchi, Shikaku, Choza, Mifune, Gari, Akatsuchi, Kabuto (Human), Kakashi (Early pt. 1), Anbu Kakashi, Jinin, Jinpachi, Ameyuri, Fuguki, Mangetsu, Zabuza, Kagami, Pakura, Kiba, Choji (War Arc), Lee, Sai Lol at Kiba on this tier. Move him down one/two tiers. Hidan should go up one tier IMO. What has Akatsuchi even done? Put him down to low jounin.
Low Jonin Tier:
Jugo, Suigetsu, Toroi, Chujiro, Kurotsuchi, Obito (Young, MS, Mokuton) Move Kurotsuchi and Suigetsu up one tier. Maybe move Pakura down. Who is Toroi?
Tokubetsu Jonin Tier:
Naruto (VOTE), Sasuke (VOTE), Gaara (SRA), Kakashi (Gaiden), Anko, Kurenai, Hayate Gekko, C, Omoi, Shigure, Karui, Dan Could
High Chunin Tier:
Sakura, Kankuro (SRA), Gaara (3rd Exam), Sakon/Ukon, Kidomaro, Tayuya, Jirobo, Neji (SRA), Naruto (3rd Exam), Obito (Gaiden), Choji (SRA), Genma, Raido, Lee (SRA), Kiba (SRA), Shino Why is there no SRA Temari. Put her here or up one tier. Move Kiba and Chouji down to the tier below.
Chunin Tier:
Ebisu, Ino, Ten-Ten, Haku, Sasuke (3rd Exam), Shikamaru (SRA), Konohamaru (Pt. 2)Move Konohmaru and Ino down. Move Haku up a tier. Same with Sasuke.
Genin Tier:
Mizuki, Iruka, Ino (Pt. 1), Kiba ( Early Pt. 1), Choji (Early Pt. 1), Shino (Pt. 1), Sasuke (Early Pt. 1), Naruto (Early Pt. 1), Hinata (Pt. 1), Ten-Ten (Pt. 1), Karin, Dosu, Zaku, Kin, Shikamaru (Early Pt. 1), Hinabi, Demon Brothers, Tsurugi, Yoroi
CE Temari could be put on this tier.
Academy Tier:
Konohamaru (Pt.1), Moegi, Udon Part 1 Sakura and Part 1 Ino?
No Order Per Tier
God Tier+++:
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God Tier+:
Kabuto (Snake, W/Edo) >>> Naruto (War Arc), Edo Madara, Obito (War Arc) Naruto isn't on the same level as Obito or Edo Madara
God Tier:
EMS Madara, Hashirama, Nagato (Healthy), Naruto (Early War Arc) Early War Arc Naruto isn't on the same level as the others on this tier. Remember he couldn't spam clones and didn't have bijuu mode.
Demi-God Tier:
Killer Bee, Pain, Itachi (Healthy), Minato, EMS Sasuke, Kisame, Jiriaya, Orochimaru, Muu, Kabuto (Snake, w/o Edo), Naruto (Pain Arc), Izuna, 3rd Raikage, Obito (Rinnegan), Kakashi (War Arc), Onoki Obito shits on everyone on this tier.
High Kage Tier:
Guy (War Arc), Obito (MS), A, Gaara, 2nd Mizukage, Danzo, MS Sasuke, Itachi (Sick), Kinkaku, Ginkaku, Tobirama, Shisui, Tsunade, Sakumo MS Obito craps on most in the demi god tier. MS Sasuke and Itachi crap on almost everyone on this tier as well as the one above. They should be moved up a bit.
Kage Tier:
Hebi Sasuke, Sasori, Kakuzu, Konan, Deidara, Naruto (Immortals Arc), Kakashi (Immortals Arc)Naruto in the Immortals arc was no where on the same level as the others. Some people on the jounin tier could beat him.
Low Kage Tier:
Mei, Kakashi (Early Pt. 2), Naruto (Early Pt. 2), 4th Kazekage, Hiruzen (Old), Fugaku Once again you overrate Naruto.
High Jonin Tier:
Orochimaru (Arms Sealed), Sasuke (Taka), Darui, Chiyo, Kankuro (War Arc), Hiashi, Anbu Itachi, Kitsuchi, Kakashi (End of Pt.1), Kimmimaro, Sasuke (Early Pt. 2), Move Oro up a tier because even with arms sealed, he is very powerful. You should move Temari on this tier and maybe Rock Lee and Neji too. Mifune should come up to this tier.
Jonin Tier:
Neji, Hidan, Fuu, Torune, Temari, Kankuro, Asuma, InoIchi, Shikaku, Choza, Mifune, Gari, Akatsuchi, Kabuto (Human), Kakashi (Early pt. 1), Anbu Kakashi, Jinin, Jinpachi, Ameyuri, Fuguki, Mangetsu, Zabuza, Kagami, Pakura, Kiba, Choji (War Arc), Lee, Sai Lol at Kiba on this tier. Move him down one/two tiers. Hidan should go up one tier IMO. What has Akatsuchi even done? Put him down to low jounin.
Low Jonin Tier:
Jugo, Suigetsu, Toroi, Chujiro, Kurotsuchi, Obito (Young, MS, Mokuton) Move Kurotsuchi and Suigetsu up one tier. Maybe move Pakura down. Who is Toroi?
Tokubetsu Jonin Tier:
Naruto (VOTE), Sasuke (VOTE), Gaara (SRA), Kakashi (Gaiden), Anko, Kurenai, Hayate Gekko, C, Omoi, Shigure, Karui, Dan Could
High Chunin Tier:
Sakura, Kankuro (SRA), Gaara (3rd Exam), Sakon/Ukon, Kidomaro, Tayuya, Jirobo, Neji (SRA), Naruto (3rd Exam), Obito (Gaiden), Choji (SRA), Genma, Raido, Lee (SRA), Kiba (SRA), Shino Why is there no SRA Temari. Put her here or up one tier. Move Kiba and Chouji down to the tier below.
Chunin Tier:
Ebisu, Ino, Ten-Ten, Haku, Sasuke (3rd Exam), Shikamaru (SRA), Konohamaru (Pt. 2)Move Konohmaru and Ino down. Move Haku up a tier. Same with Sasuke.
Genin Tier:
Mizuki, Iruka, Ino (Pt. 1), Kiba ( Early Pt. 1), Choji (Early Pt. 1), Shino (Pt. 1), Sasuke (Early Pt. 1), Naruto (Early Pt. 1), Hinata (Pt. 1), Ten-Ten (Pt. 1), Karin, Dosu, Zaku, Kin, Shikamaru (Early Pt. 1), Hinabi, Demon Brothers, Tsurugi, Yoroi
CE Temari could be put on this tier.
Academy Tier:
Konohamaru (Pt.1), Moegi, Udon Part 1 Sakura and Part 1 Ino?
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
@Icelerate (i didn't want to have this post take up alot of screen space)
1. Naruto has already shown he can deal with Obito. He can also beat Edo Madara Max. Diff. I made a thread on this a proved how he does.
2. I agree to a point, i think he would beat Nagato but lose to Hashi and EMS Madara.
3. Obito doesn't have Edo Jins there. Kakashi could beat him pretty easily by sending a Kage Bunshin to the Kamui Dimension.
4. This is factoring in the chances of Going into 4tk, thats the reason he's so high. Also, No one in any of the Jonin Tiers can beat This Naruto
5. Once Again, chances of going 4tk
6. Anyone in low kage tier takes a dump on Sealed Oro
7. I get some of the Iwa Ninja confused, its possible i didn't even name the right one lol. Kiba is easily on that tier. He can beat some of the people in that tier (if we factor in his natural progression and databook stats)
8. Forgot about early versions of temari.
9. Konohamaru beat a ninja that Shit on Ebisu.
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Im gonna go add the temari's that i forgot. Toroi is the magnet release user that got Fodderized by Naruto's Kage Bunshin's Rasengan Shunshin.
Also, if anyone notices any Ninja's I forgot then let me know. I probably forgot a lot of fodders
@Icelerate (i didn't want to have this post take up alot of screen space)
1. Naruto has already shown he can deal with Obito. He can also beat Edo Madara Max. Diff. I made a thread on this a proved how he does.
2. I agree to a point, i think he would beat Nagato but lose to Hashi and EMS Madara.
3. Obito doesn't have Edo Jins there. Kakashi could beat him pretty easily by sending a Kage Bunshin to the Kamui Dimension.
4. This is factoring in the chances of Going into 4tk, thats the reason he's so high. Also, No one in any of the Jonin Tiers can beat This Naruto
5. Once Again, chances of going 4tk
6. Anyone in low kage tier takes a dump on Sealed Oro
7. I get some of the Iwa Ninja confused, its possible i didn't even name the right one lol. Kiba is easily on that tier. He can beat some of the people in that tier (if we factor in his natural progression and databook stats)
8. Forgot about early versions of temari.
9. Konohamaru beat a ninja that Shit on Ebisu.
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Im gonna go add the temari's that i forgot. Toroi is the magnet release user that got Fodderized by Naruto's Kage Bunshin's Rasengan Shunshin.
Also, if anyone notices any Ninja's I forgot then let me know. I probably forgot a lot of fodders
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
1. I'll check out that thread but I heavily disagree with your opinion. No point in arguing when we have different opinions though.
2. KM Naruto can't counter CT. Nagato beats him but loses to BM Naruto.
3. Kakashi is a bad match up. Obito can beat people that Kakashi can not, however.
4/5. Okay I thought you were talking about base Naruto.
6. I think Oro beats Mei even with arms sealed. He can still regenerate and use snakes with swords and poison. Even Sasuke had trouble against him despite being a bad match up for Oro.
7. Like who? Literally everyone on this tier will beat Kiba but Kiba's lack of screentime is one reason he has no chance against most jounins.
8. I hope you take my advice and put her on the correct tiers.
9. Lol in that case 99% of genins are low jounin level.
1. I'll check out that thread but I heavily disagree with your opinion. No point in arguing when we have different opinions though.
2. KM Naruto can't counter CT. Nagato beats him but loses to BM Naruto.
3. Kakashi is a bad match up. Obito can beat people that Kakashi can not, however.
4/5. Okay I thought you were talking about base Naruto.
6. I think Oro beats Mei even with arms sealed. He can still regenerate and use snakes with swords and poison. Even Sasuke had trouble against him despite being a bad match up for Oro.
7. Like who? Literally everyone on this tier will beat Kiba but Kiba's lack of screentime is one reason he has no chance against most jounins.
8. I hope you take my advice and put her on the correct tiers.
9. Lol in that case 99% of genins are low jounin level.
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
Basically the only character I actually care about is Zabuza, so I disagree with a lot of the characters placements, but I'm just going to say that Zabuza should be up to high jounin tier, he can defeat Darui....
Basically the only character I actually care about is Zabuza, so I disagree with a lot of the characters placements, but I'm just going to say that Zabuza should be up to high jounin tier, he can defeat Darui....
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
1. I agree, I've determined that Characters abilities are affected largely by people's interpretations in this manga
2. Nagato can't react to Naruto's Shunshin. Naruto can also beat CT by having All his Kage Bunshin huck FRS's at the Core. Now before people bring up how Naru, Bee, and Brotachi countered it, thats not the base amount of damage it takes, they just all decided to attack since it was an emergency.
3. Lemme get back to you on this one, I know other people in this tier have the ability to beat him. Like Naruto has gama ranbu, Minato can do what he did the first time, Brotachi has Genjutsu, ect. ect.
4/5. Definately not lol, Im not that conceited when it comes to my faviorte character xD (wasn't it joki who said SM Naruto could solo the akatsuki + some other ninja's?)
6. I dunno, he can't use Kuchiyose in the traditional sense because of his arms.
7. he's been said to able to stand against Temari and the swordsmen in most forums, he could have a chance against Lee.
9. How so? Konohamaru should be on the same level Naruto was when he mastered Rasengan
1. I agree, I've determined that Characters abilities are affected largely by people's interpretations in this manga
2. Nagato can't react to Naruto's Shunshin. Naruto can also beat CT by having All his Kage Bunshin huck FRS's at the Core. Now before people bring up how Naru, Bee, and Brotachi countered it, thats not the base amount of damage it takes, they just all decided to attack since it was an emergency.
3. Lemme get back to you on this one, I know other people in this tier have the ability to beat him. Like Naruto has gama ranbu, Minato can do what he did the first time, Brotachi has Genjutsu, ect. ect.
4/5. Definately not lol, Im not that conceited when it comes to my faviorte character xD (wasn't it joki who said SM Naruto could solo the akatsuki + some other ninja's?)
6. I dunno, he can't use Kuchiyose in the traditional sense because of his arms.
7. he's been said to able to stand against Temari and the swordsmen in most forums, he could have a chance against Lee.
9. How so? Konohamaru should be on the same level Naruto was when he mastered Rasengan
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Re: Naruto Tier List V5.1
The list seems pretty good, though a few changes might benefit it. Move up Sasori, Deidara and Kakuzu, move Sakumo down, move Tsunade down and the list is solid. Remove Sick Itachi as whole. Move Konohamaru down.
Also, i'm glad you acknowledge Kisame's strength unlike most. Nice thread.
The list seems pretty good, though a few changes might benefit it. Move up Sasori, Deidara and Kakuzu, move Sakumo down, move Tsunade down and the list is solid. Remove Sick Itachi as whole. Move Konohamaru down.
Also, i'm glad you acknowledge Kisame's strength unlike most. Nice thread.
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1. Naruto without Kakashi's help had no chance against Obito who managed to hold his own against all four of them. Sure Bee wasn't fighting but neither was Gedo Mazo. Naruto can't seal Edo Madara and Madara is too versatile, experienced and intelligent for Naruto even if they are on roughly the same levels. Him having mastery over EMS and the ability to use mokuton (bijuu's weakness) as well as preta path negates most of Naruto's attacks.
2. Nagato has sensory abilities, flight and animal summons (linked vision) so I think he can react just fine. Your counter may work but spamming that many attacks will require a ton of clones which will drain Naruto's chakra very fast. Chou shinra tensei and Gedo Mazou will trouble Naruto's clone army.
3. Obito can warp away when frog song is being casted so he is safe. Obito casually breaks genjutsu. Minato beat an Obito who didn't use izanagi. Izanagi combined with intability is very haed.
4/5. Yeah Joki is a funny guy.
6. Weren't Oro's arms sealed when he fought four tailed Naruto?
7. Lee and Temari beat Kiba with low-mid difficulty IMO. Kiba could potentially push Zabuza to mid difficulty but I think some people in the low jounin tier such as Kurotsuchi are above him.
9. Fine I agree.
1. Naruto without Kakashi's help had no chance against Obito who managed to hold his own against all four of them. Sure Bee wasn't fighting but neither was Gedo Mazo. Naruto can't seal Edo Madara and Madara is too versatile, experienced and intelligent for Naruto even if they are on roughly the same levels. Him having mastery over EMS and the ability to use mokuton (bijuu's weakness) as well as preta path negates most of Naruto's attacks.
2. Nagato has sensory abilities, flight and animal summons (linked vision) so I think he can react just fine. Your counter may work but spamming that many attacks will require a ton of clones which will drain Naruto's chakra very fast. Chou shinra tensei and Gedo Mazou will trouble Naruto's clone army.
3. Obito can warp away when frog song is being casted so he is safe. Obito casually breaks genjutsu. Minato beat an Obito who didn't use izanagi. Izanagi combined with intability is very haed.
4/5. Yeah Joki is a funny guy.
6. Weren't Oro's arms sealed when he fought four tailed Naruto?
7. Lee and Temari beat Kiba with low-mid difficulty IMO. Kiba could potentially push Zabuza to mid difficulty but I think some people in the low jounin tier such as Kurotsuchi are above him.
9. Fine I agree.
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Community Tier List
Im going to try something diffrent from my normal tier variations.
Im going to start with essentially a blank OP. You guys are going to state a character and where you think a certain character should go, Dont forget to state feats and abilities that you think would put them there. As the list Developes i'll add more tiers. You can even suggest for the tier names to change!
So I'll Start with a basic set-up. All changes from here on out are up to you guys.
God Tier:
Kage Tier:
Jonin Tier:
Chunin Tier:
Genin Tier:
Im going to try something diffrent from my normal tier variations.
Im going to start with essentially a blank OP. You guys are going to state a character and where you think a certain character should go, Dont forget to state feats and abilities that you think would put them there. As the list Developes i'll add more tiers. You can even suggest for the tier names to change!
So I'll Start with a basic set-up. All changes from here on out are up to you guys.
God Tier:
Kage Tier:
Jonin Tier:
Chunin Tier:
Genin Tier:
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