[Predictions] Naruto THT JUTSU:VAJRA

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Naruto THT JUTSU

I'll reveal what I believe "That Jutsu" is. Mind you this is purely theory based on my knowledge of how Kishimoto uses and interprets myths and legends.


First things first, you have to understand a few things before I can fully explain my theory. You need to realize that the names of jutsu, characters and different symbols are directly tied to different legends and myths by Kishimoto-sensei. Kishimoto-sensei also originally intended for Naruto to be the sole main character, however one of his editors suggested that Kishimoto give Naruto a rival, this is how and why Sasuke was created. It is my belief that Kishimoto split the original attributes he was going to give Naruto and divided them between him and Sasuke. So, singular thunder myth, became the Raijin and Fuujin myth. They still however accomplished the same goals. Also, the Fourth Hokage Minato Namikaze was also attributed with thunder god qualities.

With that stated we can move on to the actual theory:


I believe Naruto's "That Jutsu" will be one of two things. Either the VAJRA or the summoning of the Hindu God INDRA. I base this belief on how the mythology behind Indra and the Vajra fit into Kishimoto's style along with a few other things that I will explain. Although, please note that Kishimoto is most likely to use the Japanese Buddhism adaptations of Indra and the Vajra.

I've stated this before, but I'll state it again for those that missed it. Naruto's "That Jutsu" is not Fuuton: Rasenshuriken, nor is it Hiraishin no jutsu. Naruto's "That Jutsu" is a completely new technique that Minato Namikaze himself designed and left behind to his son to use for a future threat. Part of the reason Minato sealed the Kyuubi's yang chakra into his own son was, so that his son would have the power needed to perform "That Jutsu". The jutsu requires a tremendous amount of chakra, and the only source that Minato could think of to help power it was the Kyuubi's chakra.

The "that jutsu" that Jiraiya mentions here, is the same as the one he mentions here, which is also the jutsu that Naruto himself is practicing here.

"Vajra is a Sanskrit word meaning both thunderbolt and diamond. As a material device, the vajra is a short metal weapon that has the symbolic nature of a diamond (it can cut any substance but not be cut itself) and that of the thunderbolt (irresistible force). The vajra is believed to represent firmness of spirit and spiritual power. It is a ritual tool or spiritual implement which is symbolically used by Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism. Because of its symbolic importance, the vajra spread along with Indian religion and culture to other parts of Asia. It was used as both a weapon and a symbol in India, Nepal, Tibet, Bhutan, Siam, Cambodia, Myanmar, China, Korea and Japan.

The equivalent word in Tibetan is dorje (Wylie: rdo-rje; ZWPY: doj?), which is also a common male name in Tibet and Bhutan. Dorje can also refer to a small sceptre held in the right hand by Tibetan lamas during religious ceremonies."

"In Hindu mythology, Vajra is the weapon of Indra, the Vedic god of rain, lightning and the sky and king of Devas. It is a powerful weapon having the combined features of sword, mace, and spear."

"In Buddhism the vajra is the symbol of Vajrayana, one of the three major branches of Buddhism. Vajrayana is translated as "Thunderbolt Way" or "Diamond Way" and can imply the thunderbolt experience of Buddhist enlightenment or bodhi and also implies indestructibility, just as diamonds are harder than other gemstones."

"The vajra is made up of several parts:

In the center is a sphere which represents Sunyata, the primordial nature of the universe, the underlying unity of all things.

Emerging from the sphere are two eight petalled lotus flowers. One represents the phenomenal world (or in Buddhist terms Samsara), the other represents the noumenal world (or Nirvana). This is one of the fundamental dichotomies which are perceived by the unenlightened.

Arranged equally around the mouth of the lotus are two, four, or eight mythical creatures which are called makaras. These are mythological half-fish, half-crocodile creatures made up of two or more animals, often representing the union of opposites, (or a harmonisation of qualities that transcend our usual experience).

From the mouths of the makaras come tongues which come together in a point.

The five pronged vajra (with four makaras, plus a central prong) is the most commonly seen vajra. There is an elaborate system of correspondences between the five elements of the noumenal side of the vajra, and the phenomenal side. One important correspondence is between the five "poisons" with the five wisdoms. The five poisons are the mental states that obscure the original purity of a being's mind, while the five wisdoms are the five most important aspects of the enlightened mind. Each of the five wisdoms is also associated with a Buddha figure. (see also Five Wisdom Buddhas)"

"Indra's most notable exploit was his battle with the asura Vritra. Vritra took the form of a mighty dragon, and had stolen all the water in the world for himself. No one could do anything about this until Indra was born. Upon hearing what had happened, Indra vowed to take back the life-giving liquid. He rode forth to meet him the terrible Vritra. He consumed great amounts of Soma to give him the strength needed to fight such a foe. Indra smashed through Vritra ninety-nine fortresses, and then came upon the dragon. The two clashed, and after a long battle Indra was able to destroy his powerful enemy. Vritra had been keeping the earth in a drought, but when Indra split open the demon, the waters again fell from the skies. So Indra became a hero to all people, and the gods elected him their king for his victory."



Now that the mythology has been established I'll interpret for you. Indra was a thunder god, just like Raijin and Susano'O(although Susano'O is more of a god of storms). Only two individuals from the Naruto series have direct symbolic relationships to thunder gods. Sasuke Uchiha and Minato Namikaze.

Minato was known as "Konoha's Yellow Flash" and he also created the "Hiraishin no jutsu" or "Flying Thunder God Technique." It's was Minato that originally designed "That Jutsu". However, he was never able to complete that jutsu. He left that task for his son, Naruto. Naruto has now completed(at least close enough) "That Jutsu". It took Naruto becoming a Sage to complete the jutsu. Naruto had to achieve enlightenment in a since to wield "That Jutsu". Indra was also the "god of rain",

"That Jutsu" is a combination of the efforts of father and son, it's purpose is most likely to defeat Pain, the other dragon that controls the water and rain. Pain is the symbolic Vritra. Now, I've presented alot of information, but alot of you I'm sure are still doubful about this being "That Jutsu", however Kishimoto-sensei has already left us a hint.

The clan symbol of the Senju Clan of the Forest was a Vajra view from the side.


Naruto's "That Jutsu" is a technique that either creates a Vajra or summons Indra himself to wield his "thunderbolt". That is at least the conclusion I've come to.


I was reviewing the manga about FRS when I suddenly stumbled upon a picture.!!
Sasuke with Raijin::
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Sasuke's Justu:
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Naruto with Fuujin::
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One is holding the Vajra as Wraith-sama was describing. Anyone think this was a hint dropped by Kishi before?

Finally as naruto can not perform any lighting jutsu(plus "tht jutsu" was b4 tht naruto could use element manipulation) it must surely b summoning INDRA
 
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I Think that in those pictures, Sasuke has Raijinn and Naruto has Fuujin because if you take the first 3 letters of their names, and apply it to Sasuke and Naruto's main elements, Raiton and Fuuton, they fit.
 

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I have 2 questions:
1. Is Naruto cutting mountains or trees? and what does he mean by "faith"(done/excellent/?)?
2. What those little things are or what that section is about where it says "And I have to make sure that no one sees me".

These questions are for me to know, not to test u guys. I couldn't just figured it out. Thanks.
 

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I have 2 questions:
1. Is Naruto cutting mountains or trees? and what does he mean by "faith"(done/excellent/?)?
2. What those little things are or what that section is about where it says "And I have to make sure that no one sees me".

These questions are for me to know, not to test u guys. I couldn't just figured it out. Thanks.
i thnk naruto's is cutting mountains n tht jutsu is awesome....the word faith is said by tsunade when talking with the elders

yaaa he says tht make sure tht no one sees me i thnk using tht jutsu drags every ounce of chakra in his body making it easy 4 kyuubi to take over him .As fukusaku cannot control kyuubi he would obiviously say tht "never use tht jutsu"
as naruto is a sage now he got another option!!!!?(senjutsu)
 

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Naruto THT JUTSU

I'll reveal what I believe "That Jutsu" is. Mind you this is purely theory based on my knowledge of how Kishimoto uses and interprets myths and legends.


First things first, you have to understand a few things before I can fully explain my theory. You need to realize that the names of jutsu, characters and different symbols are directly tied to different legends and myths by Kishimoto-sensei. Kishimoto-sensei also originally intended for Naruto to be the sole main character, however one of his editors suggested that Kishimoto give Naruto a rival, this is how and why Sasuke was created. It is my belief that Kishimoto split the original attributes he was going to give Naruto and divided them between him and Sasuke. So, singular thunder myth, became the Raijin and Fuujin myth. They still however accomplished the same goals. Also, the Fourth Hokage Minato Namikaze was also attributed with thunder god qualities.

With that stated we can move on to the actual theory:


I believe Naruto's "That Jutsu" will be one of two things. Either the VAJRA or the summoning of the Hindu God INDRA. I base this belief on how the mythology behind Indra and the Vajra fit into Kishimoto's style along with a few other things that I will explain. Although, please note that Kishimoto is most likely to use the Japanese Buddhism adaptations of Indra and the Vajra.

I've stated this before, but I'll state it again for those that missed it. Naruto's "That Jutsu" is not Fuuton: Rasenshuriken, nor is it Hiraishin no jutsu. Naruto's "That Jutsu" is a completely new technique that Minato Namikaze himself designed and left behind to his son to use for a future threat. Part of the reason Minato sealed the Kyuubi's yang chakra into his own son was, so that his son would have the power needed to perform "That Jutsu". The jutsu requires a tremendous amount of chakra, and the only source that Minato could think of to help power it was the Kyuubi's chakra.

The "that jutsu" that Jiraiya mentions here, is the same as the one he mentions here, which is also the jutsu that Naruto himself is practicing here.

"Vajra is a Sanskrit word meaning both thunderbolt and diamond. As a material device, the vajra is a short metal weapon that has the symbolic nature of a diamond (it can cut any substance but not be cut itself) and that of the thunderbolt (irresistible force). The vajra is believed to represent firmness of spirit and spiritual power. It is a ritual tool or spiritual implement which is symbolically used by Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism. Because of its symbolic importance, the vajra spread along with Indian religion and culture to other parts of Asia. It was used as both a weapon and a symbol in India, Nepal, Tibet, Bhutan, Siam, Cambodia, Myanmar, China, Korea and Japan.

The equivalent word in Tibetan is dorje (Wylie: rdo-rje; ZWPY: doj?), which is also a common male name in Tibet and Bhutan. Dorje can also refer to a small sceptre held in the right hand by Tibetan lamas during religious ceremonies."

"In Hindu mythology, Vajra is the weapon of Indra, the Vedic god of rain, lightning and the sky and king of Devas. It is a powerful weapon having the combined features of sword, mace, and spear."

"In Buddhism the vajra is the symbol of Vajrayana, one of the three major branches of Buddhism. Vajrayana is translated as "Thunderbolt Way" or "Diamond Way" and can imply the thunderbolt experience of Buddhist enlightenment or bodhi and also implies indestructibility, just as diamonds are harder than other gemstones."

"The vajra is made up of several parts:

In the center is a sphere which represents Sunyata, the primordial nature of the universe, the underlying unity of all things.

Emerging from the sphere are two eight petalled lotus flowers. One represents the phenomenal world (or in Buddhist terms Samsara), the other represents the noumenal world (or Nirvana). This is one of the fundamental dichotomies which are perceived by the unenlightened.

Arranged equally around the mouth of the lotus are two, four, or eight mythical creatures which are called makaras. These are mythological half-fish, half-crocodile creatures made up of two or more animals, often representing the union of opposites, (or a harmonisation of qualities that transcend our usual experience).

From the mouths of the makaras come tongues which come together in a point.

The five pronged vajra (with four makaras, plus a central prong) is the most commonly seen vajra. There is an elaborate system of correspondences between the five elements of the noumenal side of the vajra, and the phenomenal side. One important correspondence is between the five "poisons" with the five wisdoms. The five poisons are the mental states that obscure the original purity of a being's mind, while the five wisdoms are the five most important aspects of the enlightened mind. Each of the five wisdoms is also associated with a Buddha figure. (see also Five Wisdom Buddhas)"

"Indra's most notable exploit was his battle with the asura Vritra. Vritra took the form of a mighty dragon, and had stolen all the water in the world for himself. No one could do anything about this until Indra was born. Upon hearing what had happened, Indra vowed to take back the life-giving liquid. He rode forth to meet him the terrible Vritra. He consumed great amounts of Soma to give him the strength needed to fight such a foe. Indra smashed through Vritra ninety-nine fortresses, and then came upon the dragon. The two clashed, and after a long battle Indra was able to destroy his powerful enemy. Vritra had been keeping the earth in a drought, but when Indra split open the demon, the waters again fell from the skies. So Indra became a hero to all people, and the gods elected him their king for his victory."



Now that the mythology has been established I'll interpret for you. Indra was a thunder god, just like Raijin and Susano'O(although Susano'O is more of a god of storms). Only two individuals from the Naruto series have direct symbolic relationships to thunder gods. Sasuke Uchiha and Minato Namikaze.

Minato was known as "Konoha's Yellow Flash" and he also created the "Hiraishin no jutsu" or "Flying Thunder God Technique." It's was Minato that originally designed "That Jutsu". However, he was never able to complete that jutsu. He left that task for his son, Naruto. Naruto has now completed(at least close enough) "That Jutsu". It took Naruto becoming a Sage to complete the jutsu. Naruto had to achieve enlightenment in a since to wield "That Jutsu". Indra was also the "god of rain",

"That Jutsu" is a combination of the efforts of father and son, it's purpose is most likely to defeat Pain, the other dragon that controls the water and rain. Pain is the symbolic Vritra. Now, I've presented alot of information, but alot of you I'm sure are still doubful about this being "That Jutsu", however Kishimoto-sensei has already left us a hint.

The clan symbol of the Senju Clan of the Forest was a Vajra view from the side.


Naruto's "That Jutsu" is a technique that either creates a Vajra or summons Indra himself to wield his "thunderbolt". That is at least the conclusion I've come to.


I was reviewing the manga about FRS when I suddenly stumbled upon a picture.!!
Sasuke with Raijin::
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Sasuke's Justu:
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Naruto with Fuujin::
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Naruto's Jutsu:
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One is holding the Vajra as Wraith-sama was describing. Anyone think this was a hint dropped by Kishi before?

Finally as naruto can not perform any lighting jutsu(plus "tht jutsu" was b4 tht naruto could use element manipulation) it must surely b summoning INDRA
awesome i think iluv
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Great theory, like the way of thinking. I would love to be some other technique, stop with dose rasengans. There are too much rasengans. How old are u??
 
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Woow proxy your post is really not in place, post a new thread with it pls :)


Adtiya, Your knowledge is impressive!
You read a lot before making this post!
Thank you!

The mythical connection is obvious in Naruto, however I have no time to read,
otherwise most of Naruto will be clear.

Yes. This is the right myth, now we have to interpret it right!
but I think there should be another myth for
the fight between Fuuton and Suuton. And the mixture of the two is the right
answer, because, Even that I agree with almost all of your Theory,
It's obvious there's a mixture, made by Kishimoto.
Because Uchiha could represent Vritra too, because
their clan's jutsu is Fire. But Sasuke Uchiha has Lightning!?

And Pain (Samsara) surely represents Vritra too.
Not only for the rain, my interpretation is that - the Enlightment - or Vajra, or Diamond (Diamond weapon - Soo much used in all kinds of japanese anime!!)
is the weapon which frees you from samsara (eternal Pain) and by achieving enlightenment you may pass to Nirvana.

But the mixture makes it so difficult to interpret it right.
Because why than Kishi hinted to us not Vritra and Indra, but Fuuton and Suuton?

But naruto's new jutsu surely is Vajra, and since there's no god cutting the
trees, I think It's the lightning weapon.

Just an idea - could it be that Naruto's second element is Lightning ?
 
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hey aditya in the first line of the post u shud mention that this theory is from WRAITH of ONEMANGA FORUM and u copied bit by bit here. that is the right way to do this. i know it is not intentional, but some ppl are already thinking its ur theory bcos the info regarding the ownership of this article is not put up clearly. someone(wraith in this case) who have worked hard for this, shud have got the credit.

PS. i am a member of one manga forum and i follow WRAITH's theory regularly.
 
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hey aditya in the first line of the post u shud mention that this theory is from WRAITH of ONEMANGA FORUM and u copied bit by bit here. that is the right way to do this. i know it is not intentional, but some ppl are already thinking its ur theory bcos the info regarding the ownership of this article is not put up clearly. someone(wraith in this case) who have worked hard for this, shud have got the credit.

PS. i am a member of one manga forum and i follow WRAITH's theory regularly.
Hm, sorry to hear this. :) thx
 

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I don't think naruto will get summoning or lighting, he already got the frogs for summoning and i don't think another summoning really fits him, and it doesn't appear that he is summoning anything in those pics, yes i know your right that naruto can't get lightning so i agree with you there. I beleive it is eithor gonna be wind or shape manipulation or both. If you remember wind techniques are good for cutting, and it appears thta he is cutting those things in the back, so that is why i think it is a wind technique.
 

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Naruto's jutsu better be able to counter Sasuke's... which means that it has to be able to blow the storm clouds away...
 

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hey aditya in the first line of the post u shud mention that this theory is from WRAITH of ONEMANGA FORUM and u copied bit by bit here. that is the right way to do this. i know it is not intentional, but some ppl are already thinking its ur theory bcos the info regarding the ownership of this article is not put up clearly. someone(wraith in this case) who have worked hard for this, shud have got the credit.

PS. i am a member of one manga forum and i follow WRAITH's theory regularly.
Yaa its r8 i should have mentioned the source he should get all the credit for this post

i just thought of posting this thread bcoz its a awesome theory n very few members of this forums may have read tht theory so other members may read this
i am sry if this hurts anyone but from next time i'll mention the source if place theories from outside
 
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