Naruto, supposedly talentless, but feats prove otherwise.

[Romy9]

The reason Naruto is not considered a genius on the level of those others is because he never did anything on his own. Minato researched and studied Kushina's bijuu dama and then attempted and successfully managed to create a training program that enables you to replicate it with human chakra, Naruto didn't do the study and research part and he didn't have to think up a training program that enables you to learn rasengan, he just got everything on the platter, that's the ONLY reason he took less time than Minato, coz he only had to do the easy part. Even with rasenshuriken, Naruto would never have come up with rasengan if he hadn't been told that MINATO (his idea in the first place) wanted to fuse an element to the jutsu, again this is something he had to be told by Kakashi, and Kakashi only knew coz Minato. Naruto is only riding on other people's coattails, even mastering the kyubi's power is something that his parents set up, the new seal that Minato created specifically for him, the seperation of Kyubi into two halves to make it easier to control, sealing Kushina into the seal so that she can give him aid in mastering the kyubi (love and chakra chains to hold down kyubi for him). Seriously this shouldn't even be debateable. Neji mastered hyuga clan techniques on his own too, techniques that were not accessible to the branch family but he recreated and mastered them by just observing. There is no comparison between Madara and Naruto, there is no way Naruto could have managed even half the feats Madara achieved without being spoon feeded and handed free power-ups. Madara worked for everything he had and did alot of research (History of the shinobi world, medical/scientific knowledge for dna and body part tansplants, ie Obito made out of half zetsu) and experimentation (Hashirama cells, zetsu, gedo mazou) to get what he managed in the end. Itachi, well that one is debateable, as far as we are aware Itachi never created any single jutsu, well I guess except for Amateresu transcription seal, but he was more of a genius in terms of psychology and battle strategy, I guess Naruto matches him with talk no jutsu and his unpredictable battle strategies .(I know it sounds stupid but fact of the matter is Naruto has manipulated everyone, Itachi included, to side with him through talk no jutsu)

Notice the bolded part. They all had to observe someone in order to create their own or to master something. They all observed while they were being taught. Naruto did the same thing. He was given a theory which he used in practical matter, just like every other Genius.

 

[AlphaScythian]

It seems you don't like Naruto as a chaarcter, hence the hate. He extracted it alone, Kurama didn't give it willingly. It was at a time when he was against him, if that refreshes your memory.

A different execution isn't necessarily better. That's your opinion, as I've already said. Not to mention extra time and chakra on another clone.

Naruto did the same with Rasengans. Your point? THis isn't Naruto vs Sasuke.

My statements have every credibility since I backed it up by facts. Just stop, you obviously don't like him which makes you biased and subjective.

I do like naruto, i dont like his fapboys.

Having one free arm in battle, definitely better way to go. Your words dont fool me.

Yes kurama gave it willingly, you wont find a scan of kurama denying chakra besides pre KCM U_U. Prove that he extracted it.

Did same with rasengans? Like what more and bigger balls? Such genius achievement oh and creativity... Sasuke has genius hype naruto doesnt, i just made comparison, you want me to use kakashi for example? it can be worse.

No your statement are not backened up by any facts. You say naruto extracted kyuubi chakra when he only did it with KCM.
You say having free arm in battle is not necessarily better.
Out of many naruto feats this that you mentioned are not the genius ones.

 

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Naruto didn't work hard for sh*t

And Sausage did?

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[Bronze]

The results of Naruto's strength progression came from raw power and not talent. In comparison to others, Naruto relied more on Kurama's strength than his own, as witnessed in the war. Now, he is relying on Hagoromo's power. While Shinobi like Minato, Hashirama, Madara, Itachi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru and many more, are all people who achieved their strength through pure training.​

 

[Romy9]

I do like naruto, i dont like his fapboys.

Having one free arm in battle, definitely better way to go. Your words dont fool me.

Yes kurama gave it willingly, you wont find a scan of kurama denying chakra besides pre KCM U_U. Prove that he extracted it.

Did same with rasengans? Like what more and bigger balls? Such genius achievement oh and creativity... Sasuke has genius hype naruto doesnt, i just made comparison, you want me to use kakashi for example? it can be worse.

No your statement are not backened up by any facts. You say naruto extracted kyuubi chakra when he only did it with KCM.
You say having free arm in battle is not necessarily better.
Out of many naruto feats this that you mentioned are not the genius ones.

There's nothing fapboyish about this thread. Only facts.

He can afford it since he's a KB specialist.

No, he didn't. They weren't in cooperation or he wasn't in free usage of his chakra until he tamed Kurama. Self-explanatory fact.

Yeah, he made variants of it just like Sasuke did. I don't know why you're so much bothered with this.

How so? I say it because it happened. He used the Bijuu's chakra against Neji. Not hard to understand.
In Naruto's case, no, since he can have 1000s of extra arms.
Mastering Rasengan in a week and creating an above S-rank technique in few hours are certainly Genius feats. Not to mention perfecting Senjutsu.

 

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Well aside from that, another hurr durr moment of his was waltzing in the Five Kage Summit

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[AlphaScythian]

There's nothing fapboyish about this thread. Only facts.

He can afford it since he's a KB specialist.

No, he didn't. They weren't in cooperation or he wasn't in free usage of his chakra until he tamed Kurama. Self-explanatory fact.

Yeah, he made variants of it just like Sasuke did. I don't know why you're so much bothered with this.

How so? I say it because it happened. He used the Bijuu's chakra against Neji. Not hard to understand.
In Naruto's case, no, since he can have 1000s of extra arms.
Mastering Rasengan in a week and creating an above S-rank technique in few hours are certainly Genius feats. Not to mention perfecting Senjutsu.

KB what?

Tell me how naruto invoked it when sasuke kicked his arse in VoTE? oh no it was kurama, tell me how he invoked it vs oro? Oh no it was kurama. Tell me how naruto invoked it vs pain? oh no it was kurama. Kurama was always giving him chakra to eventually overtake him. Self-explanatory.

Im bothered cuz you lack to understand that we call geniuses those people that actually create something on their own and not being told step by step what to do by teachers (jiraya, kakashi, killed bee etc)

I gave nardo credit for short time already, but the fact remains that rasengan w/o one hand is stupid. He wastes time and extra chakra on clone to make rasengan, while sasuke or kakashi can instantly form it in CQC, what starts as a punch ends up being deadly ninjutsu and naruto cant do that. You desperatly deny this stupidity and claim its not fanboyish?

 

[Romy9]

KB what?

Tell me how naruto invoked it when sasuke kicked his arse in VoTE? oh no it was kurama, tell me how he invoked it vs oro? Oh no it was kurama. Tell me how naruto invoked it vs pain? oh no it was kurama. Kurama was always giving him chakra to eventually overtake him. Self-explanatory.

Im bothered cuz you lack to understand that we call geniuses those people that actually create something on their own and not being told step by step what to do by teachers (jiraya, kakashi, killed bee etc)

I gave nardo credit for short time already, but the fact remains that rasengan w/o one hand is stupid. He wastes time and extra chakra on clone to make rasengan, while sasuke or kakashi can instantly form it in CQC, what starts as a punch ends up being deadly ninjutsu and naruto cant do that. You desperatly deny this stupidity and claim its not fanboyish?

KageBunshin.

Why do you keep bringing Sasuke up here? You're revealing your true nature. At VoTE, he lost himself in rage. His pupils changed and the body transformed. It was very different against Neji. He was in control of his chakra without losing himself. Pretty easy concept to grasp.

Sasuke and everyone else were told how to do stuff before mastering it. Being a Genius certainly doesn't mean you have to invent something to be it.

Your opinion, again. He has the luxury for it because he can always have the clones accompanying him. 2 arms? How about 20 or 200? Yeah. Nope, it's not fanboyish if my opinion differs from yours. You have to be more mature to understand the concept of debate, I guess.

 

[Torche]

I don't need to read your OP to agree, because I do. I shall read it anyway. But, the whole of Team 7 are talented and hard-working in their own way.

Edit: Finished reading OP and you are spot on. These is even another example in the first damn chapter! Learning a Kinjutsu that is B-rank I believe, in mere hours.

 

[Romy9]

I don't need to read your OP to agree, because I do. I shall read it anyway. But, the whole of Team 7 are talented and hard-working in their own way.

Agreed. I just used Naruto as an example of a hard-worker who can exhibit talent when he achieves sense of self and the right state of mind. Same goes for Rock Lee, for example. You probably can't open 8 gates if you don't have any talent.

 

[Torche]

Agreed. I just used Naruto as an example of a hard-worker who can exhibit talent when he achieves sense of self and the right state of mind. Same goes for Rock Lee, for example. You probably can't open 8 gates if you don't have any talent.

Yeah, I updated my post too. Good thread.

 

[Romy9]

Edit: Finished reading OP and you are spot on. These is even another example in the first damn chapter! Learning a Kinjutsu that is B-rank I believe, in mere hours.

Yeah, I though about that too but then I remembered that people think reading a simple scroll is easy.

 

[Torche]

Yeah, I though about that too but then I remembered that people think reading a simple scroll is easy.

Perhaps for some, but for someone who's brains weren't his strong point, he did great without help.

 

[Romy9]

Perhaps for some, but for someone who's brains weren't his strong point, he did great without help.

Yeah. For a kid who didn't even graduate yet, I think it's a great feat.

 

[Torche]

Yeah. For a kid who didn't even graduate yet, I think it's a great feat.

Well considering that they really didn't teach him jack there. Pretty much.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Notice the bolded part. They all had to observe someone in order to create their own or to master something. They all observed while they were being taught. Naruto did the same thing. He was given a theory which he used in practical matter, just like every other Genius.

Wtong. Naruto was told what to do. Nobody told Minato to study bijuu dama or that it could be replicated. This is something he thougt up on his own, and idea he came up with that required his creativity and intellect. Naruto was taught rasengan by Jiraiya, Jiraiya 'made' him go throug each training step. There is absolutely no comparison here. Same with Rasenshuriken, Kakashi told him to try and fuse his wind element into rasengan, Minato is the one who thought (I could have the strongest ninjutsu if I added an element to the jutsu that takes shape transformation to the maximum), Naruto was TOLD by Kakashi to do it, and was told to do it because Minato wanted to do it. You can't compare the two, Minato is leagues above Naruto. Same with Neji, nobody told Neji how to do Kaiten, nobody 'made' him go through the specific training required to do so, nobody taught him the intricate details and steps, he figured it out on his own and re-created it. Naruto doesn't compare to these geniuses, this is not even debateable.

 

[Torche]

Wtong. Naruto was told what to do. Nobody told Minato to study bijuu dama or that it could be replicated. This is something he thougt up on his own, and idea he came up with that required his creativity and intellect. Naruto was taught rasengan by Jiraiya, Jiraiya 'made' him go throug each training step. There is absolutely no comparison here. Same with Rasenshuriken, Kakashi told him to try and fuse his wind element into rasengan, Minato is the one who thought (I could have the strongest ninjutsu if I added an element to the jutsu that takes shape transformation to the maximum), Naruto was TOLD by Kakashi to do it, and was told to do it because Minato wanted to do it. You can't compare the two, Minato is leagues above Naruto. Same with Neji, nobody told Neji how to do Kaiten, nobody 'made' him go through the specific training required to do so, nobody taught him the intricate details and steps, he figured it out on his own and re-created it. Naruto doesn't compare to these geniuses, this is not even debateable.

Naruto still came up with all of the other Rasengan variants -post training trip- by himself.

 

[Romy9]

Wtong. Naruto was told what to do. Nobody told Minato to study bijuu dama or that it could be replicated. This is something he thougt up on his own, and idea he came up with that required his creativity and intellect. Naruto was taught rasengan by Jiraiya, Jiraiya 'made' him go throug each training step. There is absolutely no comparison here. Same with Rasenshuriken, Kakashi told him to try and fuse his wind element into rasengan, Minato is the one who thought (I could have the strongest ninjutsu if I added an element to the jutsu that takes shape transformation to the maximum), Naruto was TOLD by Kakashi to do it, and was told to do it because Minato wanted to do it. You can't compare the two, Minato is leagues above Naruto. Same with Neji, nobody told Neji how to do Kaiten, nobody 'made' him go through the specific training required to do so, nobody taught him the intricate details and steps, he figured it out on his own and re-created it. Naruto doesn't compare to these geniuses, this is not even debateable.

No, you're wrong. Sasuke, Itachi and every other Genius was told what to do respectively, except for Minato or anyone else who invented some technique specifically. Kakashi, just like Jiraiya told him what they all tried. The rest he had to FIGURE OUT HIMSELF, as Kakashi explicitly said. That's why Naruto came up with the technique, no one else did. I can compare the two. Minato came up and invented Rasengan out of nothing, but he couldn't advance it. Naruto took it to another level by having the ability to do so, unlike Kakashi, Jiraiya or Minato.

Again, you're not labeled Genius only because you have the ability to invent something. If it was like that, only Minato and Neji would be ones. And that's ridiculous.

 

[take it easy]

The reason Naruto is not considered a genius on the level of those others is because he never did anything on his own.

he created uzumaki combo after watching sasuke's lion combo.

 

[AlphaScythian]

KageBunshin.

Why do you keep bringing Sasuke up here? You're revealing your true nature. At VoTE, he lost himself in rage. His pupils changed and the body transformed. It was very different against Neji. He was in control of his chakra without losing himself. Pretty easy concept to grasp.

Sasuke and everyone else were told how to do stuff before mastering it. Being a Genius certainly doesn't mean you have to invent something to be it.

Your opinion, again. He has the luxury for it because he can always have the clones accompanying him. 2 arms? How about 20 or 200? Yeah. Nope, it's not fanboyish if my opinion differs from yours. You have to be more mature to understand the concept of debate, I guess.

I also brought pain and oro. Why you ***** about sasuke? It was another example of how kurama gives chakra.

Yes sasuke was taught few things but he made more by himself then naruto.

KB dont change things here its faster for jiraya minato kakashi kabuto sasuke and some more to form an attack then naruto.

Even i can provide better examples tsupport your thread then you did.