Naruto, supposedly talentless, but feats prove otherwise.

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When I think about all the Geniuses in this manga, all of them performed greatly and had rapid progression in growth of their abilities as shinobi. You have Hashirama, Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, Neji etc., labeled Geniuses. But what does "genius" mean in this context?

We can only assume that it's rapid growth because of their talent in the field of being a shinobi. Why only assume? Because we don't actually have any evidence to how long took to master some technique by each of those individuals. We only know that Minato took 3 years to master Rasengan.

Here's where Naruto comes into play. Since he's the main character, we got to see his training and the awesome results that followed:

He used Kurama's chakra during Chuunin exam without his cooperation.
He mastered Rasengan in a week.
He took it to another level, and made it an above S-rank technique, Rasenshuriken, something Minato, Kakashi or Jiraiya couldn't do, in a matter of hours.
He perfected Senjutsu in a ridiculously short amount of time.

Those are some feats that show that Naruto actually has talent and can be placed well withing the aforementioned names. The problem with Naruto not being able to realize his potential is the environment in which he grew up. Mental and psychological health is important if you wanna accomplish extraordinary feats. Since he was hated and didn't have many people who acknowledged him, the potential in him couldn't be awakened or used. The aforementioned Geniuses I mentioned were all labeled as such since the moment they were born. It was a natural thing for the to be it or to do it. Naruto didn't have that luxury so he wasn't portrayed as a Genius. But as manga progressed, he showed that he too can be labeled one, according to his feats and level of ability.

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Maybe I should do one of choji to prove he's a genius too... So many people concerned with this genius thing nowadays. It always starts with sasuke though.
 

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Naruto has to work hard to get all of his new stuff. That's y he's not considered a genius. For a genius, the technique would be picked up easily, but Naruto has to bust his ass to learn and get better as a shinobi cuz he's not the smartest. I think genius also refers to battle knowledge. Like, Sasuke vs Deidera is always the battle i think of that shows how Sasuke is a true genius. He thought everything through and showed his skills in the heat of battle. Naruto doesn't always think things through and rushes in and this is why he isn't a genius like sasuke and neji and stuff
 

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Maybe I should do one of choji to prove he's a genius too... So many people concerned with this genius thing nowadays. It always starts with sasuke though.

I'm not concerned with anything. Why the hate? It's a nice thread for discussion.

Naruto has to work hard to get all of his new stuff. That's y he's not considered a genius. For a genius, the technique would be picked up easily, but Naruto has to bust his ass to learn and get better as a shinobi cuz he's not the smartest. I think genius also refers to battle knowledge. Like, Sasuke vs Deidera is always the battle i think of that shows how Sasuke is a true genius. He thought everything through and showed his skills in the heat of battle. Naruto doesn't always think things through and rushes in and this is why he isn't a genius like sasuke and neji and stuff

But he did pick all of it easily. He mastered Rasengan in 7 days.
 

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Naruto didn't work hard for sh*t :coffee:
 

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Quite true.


Naruto was laden with talent, but like Ashura, it took effort and the aid of others to unlock it. That's the difference between typical geniuses like Itachi and Kakashi and geniuses of the body and ethic like Naruto. He was just a late bloomer.
 
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Guy was talentless as a child, but look what he did vs Juudara. Characters like this are usually late bloomers in their skills (Obito, Guy, Naruto, Jiraiya, ect)
 

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Naruto has to work hard to get all of his new stuff. That's y he's not considered a genius. For a genius, the technique would be picked up easily, but Naruto has to bust his ass to learn and get better as a shinobi cuz he's not the smartest.
naruto learn kb in 1 day for example
I think genius also refers to battle knowledge. Like, Sasuke vs Deidera is always the battle i think of that shows how Sasuke is a true genius.
naruto vs pain was genius battle
Naruto doesn't always think things through and rushes in and this is why he isn't a genius like sasuke and neji and stuff
sasuke rushes without thinking on itachi in part 1, madara, and kages..
 

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Guy was talentless as a child, but look what he did vs Juudara. Characters like this are usually late bloomers in their skills (Obito, Guy, Naruto, Jiraiya, ect)

Yeah, that's what I thought, as well. It just goes to show that talent can be manipulated by the behavior of others and the state of mind.
 

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minato did have to create the rasengan so i could imagine how hard it would be. naruto had jman to help him with it.
 

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minato did have to create the rasengan so i could imagine how hard it would be. naruto had jman to help him with it.

I agree. It probably is a lot harder to create something out of nothing. To be fair though, Jiraiya showed him and taught him the theory. Naruto came up with it on his own.
 

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minato did have to create the rasengan so i could imagine how hard it would be. naruto had jman to help him with it.
kakashi did have to create the chidori so i could imagine how hard it would be. sasuke had kakashi to help him with it.
 

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Yeah, that's what I thought, as well. It just goes to show that talent can be manipulated by the behavior of others and the state of mind.

True determination is a heavy concept in Naruto and is used for almost every character.
 

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He is main character who needs to develop fast for the sake of story.
 

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kakashi did have to create the chidori so i could imagine how hard it would be. sasuke had kakashi to help him with it.

what I am not trying to insult anyone. sasuke is not that relevant in this thread anyway. im no fapboy btw.
 

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I agree. Plus if I'm not wrong, the fact that Naruto had the nine tails in him as a young child, greatly impacted his performance in a negative way. Because kurama messed with his chakra.
I think it was said somewhere in the manga, but I'm not sure.
 
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I agree. Plus if I'm not wrong, the fact that Naruto had the nine tails in him as a young child, greatly impacted his performance in a negative way. Because the kurama messed with his chakra.
I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere in the manga, but I'm not sure.

Yeah, forgot to mention that as well. Nice notice.
 
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