Naruto Suck, Sasuke Rulez!!!

[lswhyte123]

He is wrong because Sasuke sharingan is his bloodline, so take Naruto nine tails away he would only have Sage Mode and EMS is so much better than it. And EMS is still a clan techniques so Itachi eyes are basically his now.

True. Sasuke's Sharingan is his bloodline but he only got the MS thanks to Itachi and the EMS is yet again thanks to Itachi.
Naruto's huge chakra reserve is that of Uzumaki decent so it's his own. Sage mode owns regular Sharingan and this is the only form of Sharingan Sasuke developed by himself.
I like Sasuke and consider him a great Shinobi. He has talent and could have become great on his own. However,he didn't. The skill he has now has been given to him on a plate(90%of it anyway)

"He is wrong" I'm sorry. Is that your defence?
Caliburn tore you a new one and all you can say is "He is wrong". Lame retort.

Exactly what Jutsu's does Naruto need the Kyuubi for? Bar of course Kyuubi cloak....None? That's correct, none of his techniques are thanks to the Kyuubi. All Naruto's skill and epicness comes from him and his training.
I'm not arguing that Sasuke has an unfair advantage or anything,far from it. He has a natural skill which allows him a great advantage and affinity to learn techniques easily. He does however, get just about everything given to him. Sasuke has been guided into a great position and handled carefully to make sure he got there.
Naruto has had to work hard from day 1. All his skills and techniques are his own and simply the fruits of hard work and dedication.

Naruto without 9-Tails:
Rasengan
Shadow clone jutsu
Sage Mode
Gamabunta & Toad Summons
Rasenshuriken
Rasen-Rengan
Odama Rasengan
Wind Nature
Sexy-jutsu
Toad combo jutsu's-The water Cannon thing he learnt
Kawazu Kumite

These are the moves I can think of right now and it's probably most of em. The techniques the Kyuubi gives Naruto:

Kyuubi cloak
Tailed beast forms V2
Kyuubi Chakra arms
Tajuu Rasengan
Rasenshuriken-guided by cloak
TBB (someday)
Vermillion Rasengan(Kyuubi Charge)
Regeneration & Healing is very fast

There will be many more I'm sure but that'll do. My point is that Naruto has learnt some great moves and he uses his extra features like the cloak and arm extentions to pull of the same moves in a more advanced way. Also, Naruto can make more clones but still,he can make plenty without the fox.

These are all valid reasons why Naruto doesn't suck & how the Fox doesn't make him great, he did that by himself.
Sasuke's Sharingan is entirely what makes him great. He could be great without it too, but he isn't. He relies on Sharingan too much and this is why he needed Itachi's eyes....it was that, or a white stick.

Consider yourself owned AGAIN unless you can present a 'good' argument.

 

[Might Who]

True. Sasuke's Sharingan is his bloodline but he only got the MS thanks to Itachi and the EMS is yet again thanks to Itachi.
Naruto's huge chakra reserve is that of Uzumaki decent so it's his own. Sage mode owns regular Sharingan and this is the only form of Sharingan Sasuke developed by himself.
I like Sasuke and consider him a great Shinobi. He has talent and could have become great on his own. However,he didn't. The skill he has now has been given to him on a plate(90%of it anyway)

"He is wrong" I'm sorry. Is that your defence?
Caliburn tore you a new one and all you can say is "He is wrong". Lame retort.

Exactly what Jutsu's does Naruto need the Kyuubi for? Bar of course Kyuubi cloak....None? That's correct, none of his techniques are thanks to the Kyuubi. All Naruto's skill and epicness comes from him and his training.
I'm not arguing that Sasuke has an unfair advantage or anything,far from it. He has a natural skill which allows him a great advantage and affinity to learn techniques easily. He does however, get just about everything given to him. Sasuke has been guided into a great position and handled carefully to make sure he got there.
Naruto has had to work hard from day 1. All his skills and techniques are his own and simply the fruits of hard work and dedication.

Naruto without 9-Tails:
Rasengan
Shadow clone jutsu
Sage Mode
Gamabunta & Toad Summons
Rasenshuriken
Rasen-Rengan
Odama Rasengan
Wind Nature
Sexy-jutsu
Toad combo jutsu's-The water Cannon thing he learnt
Kawazu Kumite

These are the moves I can think of right now and it's probably most of em. The techniques the Kyuubi gives Naruto:

Kyuubi cloak
Tailed beast forms V2
Kyuubi Chakra arms
Tajuu Rasengan
Rasenshuriken-guided by cloak
TBB (someday)
Vermillion Rasengan(Kyuubi Charge)
Regeneration & Healing is very fast

There will be many more I'm sure but that'll do. My point is that Naruto has learnt some great moves and he uses his extra features like the cloak and arm extentions to pull of the same moves in a more advanced way. Also, Naruto can make more clones but still,he can make plenty without the fox.

These are all valid reasons why Naruto doesn't suck & how the Fox doesn't make him great, he did that by himself.
Sasuke's Sharingan is entirely what makes him great. He could be great without it too, but he isn't. He relies on Sharingan too much and this is why he needed Itachi's eyes....it was that, or a white stick.

Consider yourself owned AGAIN unless you can present a 'good' argument.

People think I said Naruto is weak.... He is not weak he is very strong I should have change him to Jonin level while sasuke would still be beyond kage level.

 

[lswhyte123]

To answer your question about who sasuke beat on his own besides danzo, he beat deidara on his own, and beat Naruto and his team on his own and would have killed them with kirin if orochimaru didn't stop him.

You can't quote two on one against Kiba, or do you also qoute two on one with Kisame and his sword samehada? Or kakuzu and his masks? Or NARUTO and his nine tails demon, summons, and shadow clones? Akamaru is a tool for his jutsu, it aint a two on one.

But if you disagree and say that Kiba vs Naruto is a two on one, then I will say that when Naruto asked for kyubi's help against neji, it became a two on one. Would that be acceptable?

Against pain naruto didn't only have info from Jiraiya/his summons, Kakashi and choji were responsible for discovering and delivering the info about deva's five second gap, Inoichi and shizune were the ones who figured out he was using chakra receptors and that he would have to be hiding in a high place, plus he also had katsuya on his shoulder guiding him through each path's strengths and weaknesses and he still had hinata buy him time when he was defeated until the kyubi took over. Let us not forget that he didn't win the battle, he just convinced nagato to change his mind, we saw from recent manga that nagato has all the powers of the paths combined and they are much strong when he uses them, we also saw that he can use bijuu chakra to replenish himself to his younger state, the batlle was far from over, unless naruto's talk no jutsu counts as a win, since it is said that a ninja wins by all means and it doesn't matter how they do it.

( I will admit though that there are many plot holes concerning nagato, because if he can really replenish himself like he did against Bee, Naruto, and Itachi, then why didn't he do that before he went to konoha, he already had many bijuu captured already, and since they said that he can summon mechanical body parts from his asura path ability, why didn't he just summon new legs to replace his crippled ones, and if he can ressurect madara who died so long ago, why didn't he ressurect yahiko? Perhaps kishi will answer those).

I'll admit that Mizuki and kiba were beaten without help, but everyone else naruto had help in beating them, lots of help, he's still styrong though.

You don't think that the injections and experimentation on Sasuke to increase his power may have contributed?
I'm not saying Sasuke isn't great or anthing, but he had a lot of unnatural help to get that strong.
No one is saying that Naruto didn't need help. We are aware that he did and does. But people don't run around saying Naruto is the best & Sasuke sucks. They all need help at various stages.
BTW Sasuke did not fight Danzo just one on one. He was helped.
Karin attacked Danzo to save Sasuke. Karin also healed Sasuke's mortal stab wound at the end of the fight,or Sasuke would have died.
Tobi told Sasuke to get back from the sealing tetragram before it could kill him.
3 bits of help that if he hadn't received, Sasuke would have died. That is a fact. Don't use bad examples.

 

[lswhyte123]

People think I said Naruto is weak.... He is not weak he is very strong I should have change him to Jonin level while sasuke would still be beyond kage level.

Your thread is entitled Naruto Suck, Sasuke Rulez!!!
That's a lot like saying Naruto's weak don't you think?

You honestly think someone who masters Sage mode is just Jonin level?
Was Jiraiya a Jonin?
Rasenshuriken, the combination of Wind Nature and Rasengan. The 4th Hokage could not manage this, yet Naruto did. Still just a Jonin.

You're mistaken dude. Please just admit it. Also, you have sadly come across as nothing more than a fanboy dude. U_U

 

[marvinkid]

both naruto and sasuke are awesome

 

[Might Who]

Your thread is entitled Naruto Suck, Sasuke Rulez!!!
That's a lot like saying Naruto's weak don't you think?

You honestly think someone who masters Sage mode is just Jonin level?
Was Jiraiya a Jonin?
Rasenshuriken, the combination of Wind Nature and Rasengan. The 4th Hokage could not manage this, yet Naruto did. Still just a Jonin.

You're mistaken dude. Please just admit it. Also, you have sadly come across as nothing more than a fanboy dude. U_U

Naruto intellect will keep him at Jonin even though he have so a huge improvement.....

 

[Caliburn]

This is not a troll thread, it a thread that prove Sasuke is a more talented ninja than naruto.

I don't hate Naruto!

Yeah right *watches the title* ...yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiight ~_~

Also being talented and being the strongest/stronger than someone else are two completely different things. The time of "talent" has since long been passed. Sasuke was "talented" in his academy and genin days, but by now both Naruto and Sasuke have already transcended the talent fase a long time ago.

Also the opinion from someone who is so biased your drool is actually dripping from my screen isn't worth much. You reduced Naruto to a level lower than a chunin that only relies on Kurama while Sasuke is a kage lvl who did everything himself...right, you're so not a fanboy and you so do not hate Naruto ~_~

Great post and you served this fanboy.

My only pointers though.

1: When Naruto fought Kakazu he just came from his training where he learn to do a technique that even the 4th Hokage could not master. So deffo not Chunin level. Also, he had half his chakra left when he turned up and beat an Akatsuki immortal with 1 technique,half chakra and no fox.

2: Regarding Sasuke as the most talented ever? No, Madara and Izuna got MS at 12 years of age and got it throught hard work n training. They did not have to kill their best friends or have it 'given' to them by anyone. Sasuke also has not learnt any any notable techniques on his own. He either gets it handed to him due to Sharingan compatibility or implanted by Itachi.#
Both Chidori-his most used tech, and Amaterasu-his new big move,were given to him.

3: This guy is a fanboy in denial. well served. +rep

You just skipped everything Caliburn just wrote.
This thread just proves everything that Caliburn said.

Read Caliburns post and present a good defence or admit defeat!!

:flaw:

Lol, it's impossible to form any kind of solid defense against that. People who tried it eventually ended up flaming me because they were out of alternatives, for which I then infracted/banned them...aaaah, the vicious cycle of NB life, isn't it wonderful ^x^ worst case scenario you end up like DL >.>

 

[Might Who]

Yeah right *watches the title* ...yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiight ~_~

Also being talented and being the strongest/stronger than someone else are two completely different things. The time of "talent" has since long been passed. Sasuke was "talented" in his academy and genin days, but by now both Naruto and Sasuke have already transcended the talent fase a long time ago.

Also the opinion from someone who is so biased your drool is actually dripping from my screen isn't worth much. You reduced Naruto to a level lower than a chunin that only relies on Kurama while Sasuke is a kage lvl who did everything himself...right, you're so not a fanboy and you so do not hate Naruto ~_~







Lol, it's impossible to form any kind of solid defense against that. People who tried it eventually ended up flaming me because they were out of alternatives, for which I then infracted/banned them...aaaah, the vicious cycle of NB life, isn't it wonderful ^x^ worst case scenario you end up like DL >.>

I said Naruto is Jonin level maybe Kage and I am not sensitive, criticism people is below me.

 

[Turson]

Naruto intellect will keep him at Jonin even though he have so a huge improvement.....

Actually, Naruto is good when it comes when it comes to battle strategy, so your argument has no sense or value. Naruto is stupid when it comes to daily life, not in combat. SM Naruto is surely Kage-level shinobi.

 

[Might Who]

Actually, Naruto is good when it comes when it comes to battle strategy, so your argument has no sense or value. Naruto is stupid when it comes to daily life, not in combat. SM Naruto is surely Kage-level shinobi.

Nah I do not think so.

 

[Turson]

Nah I do not think so.

Wow what an argument. Naruto is good when it comes to battle stretegy, thats a fact. Considering this and hes skills in SM hes Kage-level shinobi, and you cant argue with that.

 

[Might Who]

Wow what an argument. Naruto is good when it comes to battle stretegy, thats a fact. Considering this and hes skills in SM hes Kage-level shinobi, and you cant argue with that.

You are right he is smart in battle situation a little bit but remember he always need help.... Sasuke do not though, he killed Deidara, Danzo, Oro and he almost kill the Raikage.

 

[Kerrah]

Naruto is stronger than Sasuke, just cause of the latter arrogance.

 

[Might Who]

Naruto is stronger than Sasuke, just cause of the latter arrogance.

When Naruto fully tame the beast he will be stronger. And plus without the beast he is by far weaker than Sasuke.

 

[Turson]

You are right he is smart in battle situation a little bit but remember he always need help.... Sasuke do not though, he killed Deidara, Danzo, Oro and he almost kill the Raikage.

That has nothing to do with the fact that SM Naruto is Kage level shinobi, comporable when it comes to strenght to MS Sasuke.

 

[Might Who]

That has nothing to do with the fact that SM Naruto is Kage level shinobi, comporable when it comes to strenght to MS Sasuke.

Jman Sage Mode is beyond Kage level not Naruto though.

 

[Turson]

Jman Sage Mode is beyond Kage level not Naruto though.

I dont see any big difference between them. Jiraiya has bigger arsenal of techniques, but he dont have Frog Katas, which is IMO the best Taijutsu style in manga and he cant sense other peoples chakra - those are shortcomings of imperfect SM.

 

[Might Who]

I dont see any big difference between them. Jiraiya has bigger arsenal of techniques, but he dont have Frog Katas, which is IMO the best Taijutsu style in manga and he cant sense other peoples chakra - those are shortcomings of imperfect SM.

He do have Frog Kata, and he been using it longer so clearly he know more about it, even though Naruto perfected it.

 

[Turson]

He do have Frog Kata, and he been using it longer so clearly he know more about it, even though Naruto perfected it.

Nope, he cant mold nature energy and use it as extension of his limbs like Naruto.

 

[xxSAGExx]

To answer your question about who sasuke beat on his own besides danzo, he beat deidara on his own, and beat Naruto and his team on his own and would have killed them with kirin if orochimaru didn't stop him.

You can't quote two on one against Kiba, or do you also qoute two on one with Kisame and his sword samehada? Or kakuzu and his masks? Or NARUTO and his nine tails demon, summons, and shadow clones? Akamaru is a tool for his jutsu, it aint a two on one.

But if you disagree and say that Kiba vs Naruto is a two on one, then I will say that when Naruto asked for kyubi's help against neji, it became a two on one. Would that be acceptable?

Against pain naruto didn't only have info from Jiraiya/his summons, Kakashi and choji were responsible for discovering and delivering the info about deva's five second gap, Inoichi and shizune were the ones who figured out he was using chakra receptors and that he would have to be hiding in a high place, plus he also had katsuya on his shoulder guiding him through each path's strengths and weaknesses and he still had hinata buy him time when he was defeated until the kyubi took over. Let us not forget that he didn't win the battle, he just convinced nagato to change his mind, we saw from recent manga that nagato has all the powers of the paths combined and they are much strong when he uses them, we also saw that he can use bijuu chakra to replenish himself to his younger state, the batlle was far from over, unless naruto's talk no jutsu counts as a win, since it is said that a ninja wins by all means and it doesn't matter how they do it.

( I will admit though that there are many plot holes concerning nagato, because if he can really replenish himself like he did against Bee, Naruto, and Itachi, then why didn't he do that before he went to konoha, he already had many bijuu captured already, and since they said that he can summon mechanical body parts from his asura path ability, why didn't he just summon new legs to replace his crippled ones, and if he can ressurect madara who died so long ago, why didn't he ressurect yahiko? Perhaps kishi will answer those).

I'll admit that Mizuki and kiba were beaten without help, but everyone else naruto had help in beating them, lots of help, he's still styrong though.

Still all the info came from Jiraiya and without his info none of the others would have figured anything out except Kakashi who fought Pain. Jiraiya messeage was not among them and left them with pains summoning body but I see your point there. But Akamaru is different then the fox chakra, kiba has 2 separate beings that take part of the fight (like summoning) where Naruto has to do the fighting himself but as Naruto said himself "I can be one or one thousand" but clones weaken Naruto since he splits his chakra evenly with them (Naruto vs neji). For summoning you have to train at it, Naruto had to sign a contract in blood, learn the hand seals, learn to use the required chakra amount and learn how to summon the frog he wanted. I know Akamaru had to train to learn Kiba's jutsus but that just puts him on the same level as kiba making it like fighting two kiba's without kiba's chakra being halfed. Also I named fights were they beat an enemy with their own two hands, the actual kill shot or rendering them unable to fight or flee. I was right in all of them, sasuke owned Deidara but he didn't kill him or anything. Deidara could have still escape since he still had enough chakra to blowup into an atomic bomb (killing himself). Of course Sasuke had enough chakra to summon Manda and control him but he does had Orochimaru's powers in him and used curse seal to survive the fight. Deidara had Tobi nearby if he wanted to try and escape. The fanboy is trying to sasuke sasuke wins his fights without help but Naruto won more fights using only his powers and should be given credit also, their both strong and shouldn't focus on only one characters strong points but both, they both got their own unique way of fighting.