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So, your point is? Sasuke's CM and EMS aren't his own either. The difference is that Naruto never asked to have Kurama sealed in him, while Sasuke went of his own accord to Orochimaru for power and to have Itachi's eyes implanted in him. Originally Sasuke didn't ask for the CM, though in the end it was his decision to allow it to take him over and to increase its potential when he ran to Orochimaru.
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Oh rly?
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Lets make a comparison shall we ^x^
Naruto without Kurama:
- Shadow Clone Army
- Rasengan and its variatons
- Rasenshuriken and the Wind Element
- Sage Mode
Sasuke without Sharingan:
- Fire element
- Lightning element (without Chidori as he needs the Sharingan for that and thus Kirin becomes an issue too, though with Kirin the Chidori is used differently)
- Genjutsu, though weakened as no Sharingan and Naruto knows how to dispel it.
In such conditions I would place my money on Naruto as most of Sasuke's skill take a dive without his Sharingan: taijutsu, kenjutsu, genjutsu, ninjutsu...most of his skills were reinforced by his Sharingan, without it, his skills are severely diminished. Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has been using his Sharingan as the fundament of his battles for a long time, Naruto only used Kurama as a last resort and/or most of the time by accident. It's only recently that he started using Kurama's power on a regular basis with his own consent. Yes Sasuke would still be a decent shinobi even without his Sharingan, however the time that Naruto mindlessly attacks an opponent and gets KO'd with one hit has since long been passed. Even though he's still a knucklehead, some people still see him as the kid from the Academy that Sasuke could easily wipe the floor with. That was a long long time ago. Without the Sharingan, Sasuke would be the most likely one to loose in a battle with Naruto without Kurama. How can a ninja that knows Sage Mode be a terrible ninja? This already proves you're extremely biased towards Sasuke.
And no it's not dumb to say to compare the removal of the Sharingan and Kurama. The fact that you say that proves once again you're extremely biased towards Sasuke and potentially a fanboy, whether you deny it or not, that's how it is as otherwise you wouldn't say such BS. Lets make another comparison:
Sasuke and Naruto:
- Both of them got those two powers from birth. Sasuke got his Sharingan from his parents and Naruto too got Kurama from his parents the moment he was born.
- Both of them never asked for it, it was given to them by their parents without their approval, they didn't had any say in it.
- Sasuke's father had the Sharingan (it was never shown as far as I can remember, though it's save to assume he had it) and maybe his mother, Naruto's mother had Kurama and both of them passed it down to their sons.
They are exactly the same. The only real difference is that unlike the Sharingan, Kurama isn't a KG. However that has no relevance whatsoever when you put in into practice as they are exactly the same for the reasons stated above. That you actually use such a small, brittle, irrelevant and quite completely useless argument of "Kurama isn't a KG" clearly indicates you're biased towards Sasuke. Don't fool yourself with such shallows words as saying it's dumb as it isn't and if you refuse to see that, it means you're a Sasuke fanboy. Also it has never been stated that Uzumaki's have large chakra reserves, the only thing that has been said about them is that they live often longer than most other people, but that doesn't necessarily have something to do with their chakra as a lot of shinobi have large chakra reserves. That doesn't mean they're going to live long. Never has the connection been made that long lives/vitality was due to a large chakra reserve.
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Sasuke won nearly all his fights due to the Sharingan or CM. This argument was even lamer than your previous ones.
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Sasuke was not even by a long shot a match for Gaara using his tailed beast, in fact he wasn't even a match for him when he was in that partial transformation (and it's very debatable whether that could actually be considered using his tailed beast or not as it was a sand jutsu). However if you're going to go again with the "without a tailed beast" argument, then you also need to remove Sasuke's Sharingan and what would the result then be? Sasuke reduced to a pile of red dung as without his Sharingan, he would have been butchered by Gaara as the only reasons as why he could dodge the sand was because he copied Lee's taijutsu with his Sharingan and the only reason as why he was able to breach Gaara's defence was because he learned the Chidori of Kakashi and the Chidori is only useful with a Sharingan, as stated by Minato. Once again you completely ignore the facts here.
Excuse me? Curse Mark? Orochimaru? What? That was a few weeks later? Oh that's such a world of difference =/ The only thing Jiraiya trained him in at the time was the summoning jutsu and a bit of chakra control, while in the meantime Sasuke learned the Chidori of Kakashi and how to take on Gaara =/ Care to explain why you only talk about the things that are beneficial to you, but not about the things that make your arguments worthless? Oh right, you're biased, almost forgot.
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It's the opposite around Itachi was pushing Sasuke's to his limits. Itachi intentionally dragged the fight out and he was already on death's door even before the fight, so Sasuke was by default not able to push Itachi to his original fighting limits as Itachi was weakened. Also it's funny how you completely ignore the fact how many times Itachi actually let Sasuke go, while he could have just killed him without breaking a sweat. Also stop with the DBZ power lvl scale that just goes from left to right with the weakest one on the left and the strongest one on the right. In naruto the power lvl's are different, where one ability in one situation has the advantage, in another it suddenly becomes a disadvantage. With the words of Crocodile from One Piece
"you may never know how two abilities are going to mix up". Logically Sasuke has an advantage over Naruto when fighting Itachi, but then again Sasuke would have been butchered by Gaara if Naruto wasn't there and that way you can start comparing and mixing a lot of battles and characters. Once again your argument is worthless.
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Yes, fullpower Curse Mark =/ Also might I remind you that Naruto destroyed three of Kakuzu's hearts in one attack? Do you really think it actually would have mattered that much whether Kakuzu still at all 5 of his hearts? Those would have been destroyed alongside the other 3 if the situation was exactly the same. On top of that Naruto wasn't in full power either, now was he. Well in theory he was at that exact moment, but he didn't know any Sage Mode yet. Yes Sasuke didn't had the MS either at the time he killed Deidara, though he had the CM.
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...you're not a fanboy, but you ignore all the facts against the Uchiha and all the facts in favour of Naruto, you're clearly biased on the entire front, but not a fanboy? The truth hurts, but it speaks for itself that you clearly are one.
Sasuke most talented Uchiha ever? What about Itachi, Madara, Shusui, Tobi and potentially Izuna? Sasuke was talented but to call him the most talented of all? Having achieved EMS at a young age? That was mainly due to Itachi and Tobi, only thing Sasuke had to do was nod =/
Stated facts? You ignored most facts and twisted others to your benefit. At this point everyone who claims that Naruto is stronger than Sasuke or vice versa is by default an ignorant fanboy. We don't know the full extent of Sasuke's EMS nor the full extent of Naruto's Chakra Mode (let alone when Kurama decides to support him for a 100%). So people who start claiming who is the strongest between to people of which you have not a clue how powerful they are, are by default ignorant.
Sasuke kage level? Of course, when Naruto doesn't have the fox, that one doesn't count, but apparently the Sharingan does count, especially the EMS which he got from Itachi and Tobi. Naruto a chunin? What's is wrong with you -_- even without Kurama Naruto is very powerful, he knows Sage Mode. That fact alone was enough for Shukaku -a jounin- to say that Naruto was already on a different level, he was able to master a skill like SM even a tad better than Jiraiya and you call him a chunin? Dude, you're extremely biased, ignorant, hypocritical and thus have no credibility whatsoever. I'm not going to say that Naruto was already stronger than Jiraiya and that he didn't get any help from Kurama, however it is a fact that even without Kurama Naruto is a very powerful shinobi and definitely kage lvl with Kurama and if you substract Kurama and the Sharingan, Naruto has definitely a large advantage over Sasuke.
