Naruto Suck, Sasuke Rulez!!!

[orona]

Naruto > sasuke in every manner

WRONG!

Sasuke > Naruto in being a revenge-obsessed psycho.

actually he's also better at genjutsu

 

[lonesome boy]

lemme give some comment about your so called "fact" you posted

#1 Sasuke "inherit" his power from Itachi, and now he USE Itachi's eyes! without those eyes he'll be a blind masseuse now (it means, his powers aren't his own)

#2 Naruto's clan also a bad ass clan. Uzumaki isn't just a morons with an overwhelming chakra, they're also a talented ninjas! The others, envy Uzumaki's abilities (especially on fuuinjutsu/sealing tech), they think Uzumaki clan's dangerous, that's why the other clan tried to wipe Uzumaki out entirely because of their bad ass abilities

#3 Naruto can beat Neji even without kyuubi! Team 7 is a first year gennins while the other participants are a hell lot more experienced than them. With a proper training, Naruto will kick Neji's ass even without kyuubi

#4 SASUKE CAN KILL GAARA EVEN WITH HIS ONE TAIL! HELL-O! SASUKE'S ALSO TRAINED BY ONE OF THE SANNIN (Orochimaru), YOU MORON!

#5 ITACHI CAN KILL SASUKE WHENEVER HE WANTS, Sasuke breaks Itachi's tsukuyomi cuz Itachi's not in his prime, he's ravaged by some illness! and Itachi's not fighting w/ all of his strength cuz it'll probably kill Sasuke even ZETSU can tell that Itachi's movement isn't like it used to be

#6 NARUTO PWNED NAGATO IN HIS FULL POWER, Deidara's strength was nothing compared to Nagato's. ITACHI WAS THE MOST TALENTED UCHIHA, he's younger than Sasuke when he awaken MS and HAVING an EMS isn't that difficult, as long as you have ur sibling's eyes, you can awaken it whenever you want

#7 without Kyuubi, he still have the Sage Power and by having a Sage Power, his level is the same or even above the Kage AND LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE, WITHOUT ITACHI'S EYES, SASUKE WILL BE NOTHING MORE THAN A BLIND MASSEUSE, he'll lost his MS power, and died pitifully

YOU CAN GIVE AS MUCH "FACT" AS YOU WANT, AND I'LL GIVE MINE TOO
please don't make such a tread WITHOUT reading the manga CAREFULLY and not to JUDGE something from one point of view
huh, retards. . .

 

[CRONCKLE]

dude realize that if sassuke's destiny was to defeat naruto it would called sassuke shippuden and not naruto shippuden

 

[orona]

Nope Susanoo would have protected him.

nope raikge would have broke straight through, AGAIN, just like he did the first time. ur a troll and a fanboy just stfu because you still have yet to actually base any arguement on logic or manga facts

 

[tsunademan]

Naruto stronger than sasuke and the shows name is naruto and the main charter is naruto

 

[kickassjutsu]

In this thread I will show you why Sasuke is so much better than Naruto.

#1. Naruto nine tail power is not naturally his so.... It not his own.

#2. If Naruto did not have the nine tails power he would be a terrible ninja. Sasuke clan bloodline is the Sharingan, Naruto clan bloodline is the ability to have a whole lot of charka. So saying "taking Naruto fox powers away from him is like taking Sasuke Sharingan away", is dumb becuase Sasuke clan bloodline is his Sharingan and Naruto is his high Charka.

#3. In Naruto, Naruto would usually win his fight because of the nine-tails for example against Neji.

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#4. Also with Garaa who was clearly a better ninja than Naruto without his Tail beast, and Sasuke could clearly defeat Garaa without his beast.

Naruto was so much worst than Sasuke that he needed a Sannin to train him, just so he could be near Sasuke level!

#5. Sasuke was pushing Itachi to his limit even though Itachi was finalizing his plan for Sasuke. And Naruto could have been killed by Itachi as soon as he was caught in his genjutsu but not Sasuke, Sasuke broke out of it.

#6. Sasuke killed Deidara when both of them was in full power, while Naruto killed the highly underrated Kakuzu when he was not in full power , far from it actually.

Sasuke is the most talented Uchiha ever, having achieve EMS at a young age he already master mostly all the Uchiha clan techniques with ease.

Without the Fox, Naruto is Chunin level, while Sasuke would still be Kage level.

I am not a fanboy of Sasuke, I am just trying to make people realizes how much better Sasuke is than Naruto and almost everyone else...... I just hope this do not fall on deaf ears.
I could have stated more fact but it would be too long.

the sharingan was gods way of saying yall group of people are reall really gonna blow hard ones if i don't give yall a handicap, and maybe some one might not run in yalls small town and kill yall worthless clan..... oh wait that did happen.

 

[lonesome boy]

nope raikge would have broke straight through, AGAIN, just like he did the first time. ur a troll and a fanboy just stfu because you still have yet to actually base any arguement on logic or manga facts

EPIC xd

 

[KazekageDaichi]

No.Both suck.

 

[opthomasprime]

you are so stupid...itachi wasnt out to kill sasuke...sasuke won alot of fights with his curse seal...itachi gave him MS...tobi gave him EMS...sasuke was trained by a sannin too...naruto has sage mode.....god

 

[xxSAGExx]

I don't think it's intentional, but it should be pointed out that you are acting like a hypocrite.

You say that you hate it when people try to hype another character by putting down another one but then you go on to do the same thing a few sentences later by hyping Naruto's intelligence by playing down sasuke's, proving that you are in fact the same as the people that you are discrediting.

Next, Sasuke isn't dumb, there was a reason for spamming MS, he wanted to activate full sasuno'o, and to do that he needed to put his life in danger against strong opponents, which is how Uchiha's unlock the secretes of their techniques in the first place, something Kishi has made it a point to emphasize since the beginning, like when sasuke unlocked normal sharingan for the first time and when he unlocked his other tamoe in the chuunin exams and the last one against naruto at the valley at the end.

This is why sasuke was spamming MS, not because he was stupid, but in order to unlock the other MS techs. Even jugo confirmed this when sasuke unlocked second level ms, he commented about sasuno'o and wondered if that was what he was trying to find out.

Plus sasuke had no choice but to spam ms, the raikage was way too fast for him to even track in his V2 raiton armour so he used sasuno'o and blaze release to create a shield that could not be touched. Even Karin praised sasuke's enginuity with that move, off course no one could have expected the raikage to be crazy enough to sacrifice his arm.

Point is, spamming ms against the raikage was a smart move, you people act like sasuke just thought, "oh I got new super powers let me just spam them for the fun of it"

Sasuke is not stupid, he did valid tests before spamming ms, he tried to cut him him with his raiton enhanced sword and it bounced off of the guy.

He then tried chidori against version 1 raiton armour and all it did was touch the raikage but no damage. By this point it was clear that no normal jutsu could affect this guy and there is also no time for hand seals for a jutsu because he is too fast, ONLY after CONFIRMING all this did sasuke use ms, I don't know where you get this idea that sasuke was being stupid by using ms in this battle, he would have died a very swift death if he didn't, try fighting against someone you can't even track with a sharingan in his full speed and can't even hurt him in his weaker v1 armour and see what happens.

Same thing with mei, he was already tired from fighting the raikage and was trapped in a room with an acid gas that was strong enough to corrode even sasuno'o. Makes me wonder what happens to his own flesh if he didn't use ms? (Think about it)

Danzo? Nothing wrong with spamming ms, the version three he was using against danzo was super fast and super strong (visually proven and by tobi's testimony himself), plus had super sonic speed arrow launchers, both super speed and super strength was needed to beat danzo because otherwise Danzo would outlast him with his izanagi.

That was the whole point of spamming ms, he needed to force danzo to overuse the Izangi until he ran out of eyes and then finish him off, without ms he would have never been able to kill danzo enough times to finish his eyes without either being outlasted or simply being killed because of danzo's experience. Even tobi praised sasuke for pressuring an experienced shinobi like danzo to the very last second and force on the defence throughout the battle.

And it wasn't just about pressuring him, sasuke planned ahead the whole time, he already came up with his own theories from the start about danzo's powers and conducted tests throughout the battle to prove his theories before finishing off the fight, like when he tested if danzo's could be caught in a genjutsu even for a few seconds and then used that analysis, from early on in the fight to finish off danzo at the end by confusing him with genjutsu.

Mayn there is a whole list that attest to sasuke's intelligence throughout shipuuden, just watch his fight with deidara for example, I mean it is considt with sasuke's character, he figured out deidara's strengths and abilities from the start and conducted tests to prove his theories throughout the battle without deidara realising until it was almost too late and even used chidori on himself to disable the bombs, people must remember that kakashi also fought a weakened deidara and him and his whole squad, including Guy's squad almost died at the hands of an ARMLESS and FATIGUED deidara ( he spent most of his clay and chakra in his fight with gaara and spent another three days sealing the ichibi, plus was already low on clay even before fighting gaara as sasori pointed out). And in that time that kakashi fought deidara he didn't even figure out that deidara used earth based jutsu and that his jutsu could be disabled with raiton, I am not trying to put down kakashi but I am pointing that for sasuke to IMMEDIATELY figure that out from the beginning of the battle when kakashi didn't is a testament to his intelligence and obsertvation abilties.

Dude I don't like sasuke, I used to be neutral torwards him but now I hate him after what he did to Karin, but I won't allow people to bash a character needlessly like this, don't ever call sasuke dumb again dawg, because he has more than proven he intelligence, even someone like Tobi praised him in his battle against Danzo and praised even before that when he was talking to pain after the sasuke/deidara fight, Tobi outsmarted Itachi and saw through all of his plans and Tobi is like the smartest guy so far next to minato based on feats that I've seen and analyzed, for someone like Tobi to praise sasuke's intelligence and observation, that says something dawg.

And please man, please don't quote Naruto's battle with Kakuzu as a refference to prove his intelligence, because that was just plot no jutsu of the heighest calibre dawg.

Kakuzu only lost two hearts, his earth heart that Kakashi took, which was also plot no jutsu of the highest level.

Why? Well don't you find it strange that Kakuzu was able to sense a mind transfer technique inside of a freaken BIRD IN THE SKY but this same guy can't detect Kakashi running up behind him with a freakin CRACKLING RAIKIRI in his hand? Seriously? Does that make any sense to you?

Ok let us say this was actually possible okay, kakashi sneaks up on him with that noisy jutsu and kills him right, what happened next?

I'll tell you what happened, Kakashi let his guard down and then kakuzu caught kakashi COMPLETELY offguard since everyone assumed he was dead and KICKED Kakashi into a tree!

Am I the only one that sees the irony here, here is an S rank shinobi who is pissed about having his heart pierced through and he has a CLREAR CUT opprtunity to KILL his opponent and all he does is KICK HIM!!? WTF? Plot no jutsu I'll tell you WTF, plot no jutsu my friend, that was just completely unrealistic.

And Naruto, first off let me say that Naruto would have died without his teammates, Kakashi and Yamato saved him when Kakuzu was about to take his heart and gave him a second chance to fight.

Second, am I the only one that is like WTF happened to Kakuzu's REMAINING THREE HEARTS, THREE! He still had his water heart that was in its rightfull position, and the fire and wind hearts that were on his shoulders. So WTF? Kakuzu just stands there and watched naruto for like a whole minute prepairing his jutsu and just stands there instead of just killing him before he finishes loading the jutsu. (And don't give us that oh no rasenshuriken takes an instant to prepare because it doesn't, not in base mode, only in sage mode is it instant, it took like a whole minute to prepare that thing.)

Come on yo, Kakuzu just somehow CONVENIENTLY FORGOT that he still had his three hearts so that Naruto can win the fight and look smart and strong, because there is no other explanation for not using them against naruto and his super slow clones, and how the hell that lame diversion shit worked is beyond me, that whole battle was one of the most disapointing battles I've seen in any manga or anime. There are so much more plot holes in that battle a person could write a book about it.

Naruto beat the raikage? False!

Naruto beat a puppet, Kabuto was the one in control of the raikage, that move would have never worked against the raikage, it only worked because Kabuto didn't know the raikage's history, the raikage was paranoid about that injury, to the point that he didn't even tell his son about it, to you think he would ever let a repeat performance happen. He knew exactly how it happened, that's why he was ashamed, he would see someone trying to target his arm from a mile away, that was the level of paranoia he had.

Plus people seem to conveniently forget that Naruto did not achieve that victory on his own, he had a whole squard of suna, iwa and kumo shinobi distracting the raikage/kabuto for him and he had dodai feeding him information about the raikage the whoel time, dodai even saved him from dying when he pretended to hide him inside his rubber ball teachnique, leading the raikage/kabuto on a wild goose chase to buy naruto time to enter sage mode and also to contact the eight tails. Let me also point out that dodai used to be the third raikage's assistant and tag partner, that trick would have never worked on the raikage if he was controlling himself, he knew dodai just as much as dodai knew him.

Is Naruto as smart as people make him out to be?

Off course not, unless you have a very short term memory and can only remeber as far ass the part where naruto figures out the weakness.

Naruto doesn't know that he should contact the eight tails unless DODAI TELLS him about the battel between the raikage and the eight tails.

Naruto doesn't figure out that the secrete to the raikage's weakness is his own tech without hearing the eight tail's story.

Naruto doesn't figure out that rasengan will do the trick without killer bee telling him about the similarities between tailed beast bomb and rasengan (when they were training with naruto's fox cloak)

We also never got to see the raikage's black lightining, Kabuto didn't use it for some reason and it is obviously stronger then normal lightning, otherwise what would be the point of creating such a thing).

What is my point, first let me admit that Naruto is smart (in the heat of battle), but NOWHERE NEARthe level people make him out to be.

Sasuke is, by logic, smarter than naruto (in the heat of battle).

Why?

Naruto is smart becauses he uses the information that he is GIVEN ALMOST on a SILVER PLATTER, he is nevertheless very good and smart in the way he uses it despite how it is obtained.
But that is the thing that seperates them, we have almost never seen him gather info on his own, he always has other people doing the 'hard work' for him.

Against pain he had Katsuya on his shoulder walking him through the info that Jiraiya, kakashi, inoichi and others gathered before he joined the battle.

He fought a weakened Kakuzu and had intel already collected by kakashi and team 10, against the raikage he had a whole army as back up and was fed info by the man's former assistent, surrogate son (Bee is A's brother, who is raikage's son), and surrogate son's bijuu. Plus he wasn't fighting the real raikage.

Sasuke on the other doess the whole process himself, he collects info, generates an analysis, conducts tests to prove analysis, comes up with an effect plan to finish off the opponent, that is the whole process done on his own, by himself time and time again, Naruto is smart but Sasuke is a genious!

Plus people must stop underestimating sasuke's genuis level, people often use the fact that Itachi activated the sharingan at half his age and sasuke only activated it at the time that Itachi was A.N.B.U level, forgetting that Itachi had the support of shishui, the sandaime and Danzo and his clan was also training him. Sasuke barely and his dad on the otherhand barely gave sasuke the time of day whenever he asked for training with his dad too focussed on Itachi and Itachi always saying that he was too busy to train him.

Plus Sasuke would have been A.N.B.U level too by the time he was thirteen, people seem to forget that Sasuke DID activate his sharingan when Itachi massacred the clan but Itachi made him forget about it, go read or watch the anime again if you didn't realise this, he activated the sharingan when he was six and chased itachi with shuriken and kunai, Itachi blocked with his tanto and then used a genjutsu on him and then sasuke woke up a day later remembering only what Itachi wanted him to remember, Itachi actually stunted sasuke growth by making him forget that.
Go read or watch the episode where Tobi tells sasuke the truth about Itachi, there is a flashback where sasuke remembers that day properly and sees Itachi crying, with his OWN sharingan, Itachi is not more of a Genius then sasuke, he just has more experience and manipulated him since he was a vulnerable little kid.

Sasuke is smarter than naruto by far, and smarter than Itachi too, Itachi's biggest intelligence feat is figuring out the weakness of chibaku tensei, but what did he do before figuring it out? He ASKED NARUTO to TELL HIM about the jutsu and ONLY THEN did he figure it out.

He also used shuriken tech to blind side the shared vision Nagato/Kabuto had with the bird and hell king, but how did he find out about the shared vision in the first place? Naruto TOLD them about it plus nagato/Kabuto was distracted with two other s rank shinobi (Bee and Naruto), otherwise in a one on one that move never works.

My point here is that Sasuke is one of the few people in the anime that have showed the ability to completely outsmart people without outside help or plot no jutsu, he does the whole process on his own, like Tobi said, Sasuke is the real thing.

Back on point though, yeah you are right, Kyubi is part of Naruto since he was born, only an Uzumaki can successfully contain it just like only a 1/10 people can survive the cursed seal and even fewer can use and master it without going insane and turning into mindless monsters. Kyubi was forced onto naruto just like cursed seal was forced into sasuke. But the same can be said with being a jinchuuriki, only a like a few can become perfect jinchuuriki, which is ti use your bijuu's power without turning into a mindless monster.

you overrated Sasuke in your examples. Sasuke didn't know everything at the beginning, he made assumptions and did things to prove what he thought. He saw Deidara seals and saw earth seals but wasn't completely sure if his chidori needles stopped Deidara's attacks or if Deidara didn't use his bombs because Tobi was close to Sasuke. Sasuke owned Deidara but Deidara did kill himself and Sasuke would have died if he wasn't using Orochimaru's power, not complainig just saying. Sasuke is smart but doesn't use it all the time when he lets his emotions drive him, needs a clear mind to think properly. Also you said Sasuke gets his info by himself but seem to forget that Sasuke got all the info he had on Akatsuki from Orochimaru and had his team help him gather more info on Akatsuki's where abouts with other infos along the way. Everyone needs help one way or another. and how would Sasuke be Jounin by 13? Itachi was a prodigy who graduated the academy at 7 then got his sharingan at 8 meaning he passed without the sharingan. passed the chuunin exam at 10, and got his MS at 12 and became the captain (leader) of the anbu at 13. Sasuke got his sharingan at age 7 and Sasuke didn't activate the sharingan because he's a genius or he would have graduated he academy earlier than 13, he did it after suffering from tsukuyomi. His strong emotion awakened it and its also how he leveled up his sharingan. Itachi didn't make Sasuke forget anything, he used genjutsu to knock Sasuke out and Sasuke wokeup in the hospital later. Why the hell would itachi make sasuke forget he had the sharingan if the whole reaso he made sasuke hate was to make he stronger. Itachi wanted sasuke to become filled with hate and focused on getting stronger to beat tobi. for kakashi, he wasn't fighting deidara in a fight like sasuke was, he was chasing him to recover gaara's body and keeping an eye on naruto who was transforming into the fox. Kakashi is better than sasuke when it comes to stategies, he keeps calm and don't rush in. Sasuke knew nothing about Danzo, he caugth on to Izanagi as the battle went on and after killing danzo at least twice. Sasuke had Sasunoo up right as the fight began, danzo went in for a punch and bam sasunoo. A smart guy would remember he got some chakra back from zetsu (not alot) and wasn't fully healed would have fought wihout going straight to chakra taxing jutsus and wait for the right moment. Did he not believe in his power without MS even for the beinning of the fight? Sasuke has better speed than danzo but didn't use it like he did against deidara. Against the 4th Raikage, Sasuke was stupid to straight into the fight even tho Juugo told im not to runs in alone and thought "He's hot headed". Sasuke's hatred made him sloppy there.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Sasuke barely use the curse mark only against Naruto and Deidara. And when he try to use it against Itachi it was disable because Itachi suck Oro power out of him asap.

The Curse seal gave Sasuke alot of chakra and would be out of chakra without it. Sasuke didn't have his curse mark sucked out of him until the end of the fight after h us karin and was out of chakra so that part of your comment is invalid. Sasuke also used the curse mark against a sicken orochimaru. Plus used orochimaru's power against Deidara (white snakes) and to heal faster after his fight with deidara, if he didn't then Team Kakashi and Yamato would have caught him while he was knocked out/resting.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Naruto is better at least he doesnt cry about everything like sasuke who just run around and listens o people and cant make his own path like Naruto

 

[xxSAGExx]

Since you did not talk about the other I am assuming you think I am right lol...

Sasuke had help against Bee who killed him twice and wasn't fighting serious for most of the fight. A was going to sacifice his leg to kill sasuke. Oonoki was going to kill sasuke until tobi saved him, Mei was going to kill him until white zetsu saved him. Sasuke already told taka he only beat orochimaru because he was already sick. Yamato wasn't even serious gainst Sasuke because Sakura and Naruto want to capture Sasuke and not kill him.

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Danzo is the only one he actually beat and had to go thru Karin to do so.

 

[Noble Armada]

Totally agree I think...... Man that was a book lol. I am really bother that people feel I am a fanboy though.

The mark of a fanboy is someone who makes ridiculously biased that usually involve bashing another character. You tried to make Naruto out to be a pathetic ninja, which just isn't true, and you tried to claim that Sasuke has no flaws.

 

[Yaeesh]

Nope Susanoo would have protected him.

A broke through Madara's EMS susano'o with oonoki's help. He could have broke Sasuke's susano'o without anybody's help. Look at that! Sasuke would've died

1. Against Deidara if not for his curse mark (not his power)
2. Against Itachi if Itachi went all out.
3. Against Bee if Taka wasn't there (Karin healed him and Suigetsu and Juugo assisted him)
4. Against A if Gaara hadn't saved him
5. Against Mei if Zetsu hadn't stole Mei's chakra.
6. Against Danzo if Karin hadn't warned him of Danzo's Izanagi
7. Against Danzo if Karin hadn't healed him.
8. Against Danzo if Tobi didn't save him from danzo's 'bomb' thingy.


There you have it...

 

[Might Who]

The mark of a fanboy is someone who makes ridiculously biased that usually involve bashing another character. You tried to make Naruto out to be a pathetic ninja, which just isn't true, and you tried to claim that Sasuke has no flaws.

Sasuke does have flaws trust me, and I did not say that naruto would not be a good ninja. He would be Chunin level without the nine tails because his intellect will not allow him to win battle and he would not have the stamina he have now without the nine tails.

 

[TJ0001]

You are very correct sir! I can not name an enemy Naruto beaten without the nine tails help without thinking.

kiba. mizuki, the 9 tails

all defeated by naruto w/o km assistance

 

[TJ0001]

Naruto would have lost without his bloodline of high stamina and the nine tails power!

and sas-gay sucks w/o the sharingan. whats your point

 

[Might Who]

and sas-gay sucks w/o the sharingan. whats your point

No he not without it he would just be like the old Kakashi, he would still be jonin level.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Sasuke does have flaws trust me, and I did not say that naruto would not be a good ninja. He would be Chunin level without the nine tails because his intellect will not allow him to win battle and he would not have the stamina he have now without the nine tails.

what are you talking about? Naruto (base) is at jounin level, he surpassed Kakashi long ago. His chakra is his chakra, they said the fox would eat NARUTO'S chakra in exchange or his. Gaara lost his tailed beast and still have kage level chakra because it his not the 1 tails. Naruto was always said to have high stamina which he got from being related to the younger son of the sage who got the sage's "body" aka lifeforce and physical energy.