Naruto sage mode vs sasuke and itachi

[Maunten]

Naruto said since acquiring natural energy he could feel people's energy. Admittedly, it is hard to ascertain whether or not Naruto automatically was detecting. However going by the Pain example and Naruto's character, it is reasonable to suggest that he probably checked on the people he cared about when he saw Konoha into rubble.
He didn't detect Kakashi, and he asked questions.

Its in the air, that one. However combined with other instances, I'd vouch for it being Naruto tracked Kakashi.

I'm a little confused as to which particular scenario with Sasuke you're referring to? He managed to detect Sasuke's Susanoo and sword perfectly - before he used the Suiton on Sasuke.

Well I meant when he was trying to strike a deal with tobi, why not just try and track sasukes chakra to find his location and get him?

 

[Maunten]

I go for Naruto pretty much in every fight, but are you kidding me?

I kid you not.

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[Munboy]

Well I meant when he was trying to strike a deal with tobi, why not just try and track sasukes chakra to find his location and get him?

Sasuke was guarded; if he tried to go for Sasuke then Tobi would know.
Tobi has been notified about stuff by Zetsu pretty quickly, such as when Sasuke was in a jam against team 7 and when the Jinchuriki entered the war zone.

It was more of Kabuto doing his end of the deal. Though Tobi suggested that Kabuto wanted Tobi and the alliance to take each other out. There are quite a number of logical reasons why Kabuto didn't seek Sasuke sooner.

 

[Maunten]

Sasuke was guarded; if he tried to go for Sasuke then Tobi would know.
Tobi has been notified about stuff by Zetsu pretty quickly, such as when Sasuke was in a jam against team 7 and when the Jinchuriki entered the war zone.

It was more of Kabuto doing his end of the deal. Though Tobi suggested that Kabuto wanted Tobi and the alliance to take each other out. There are quite a number of logical reasons why Kabuto didn't seek Sasuke sooner.

Hmm good point, but still there are some feats that have been achieved by naruto's sage mode that kabuto did not achieve.

I know you are saying he may not have had opportunity or reason, but since he did not use that feat in his fight vs sasuke and itachi it is not fair to say that SM kabuto losing to them would translate to SM naruto losing.

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

Naruto is just....dead. There isn't a single atom of him still existing.

 

[Munboy]

Hmm good point, but still there are some feats that have been achieved by naruto's sage mode that kabuto did not achieve.

I know you are saying he may not have had opportunity or reason, but since he did not use that feat in his fight vs sasuke and itachi it is not fair to say that SM kabuto losing to them would translate to SM naruto losing.

Naruto has a different fighting style, and unlike Kabuto isn't trying to absorb/revert any of his opponents. Unlike Kabuto, Naruto has the full intent to kill (assumingly) in this thread.
So he wouldn't necessarily lose just because of some of Kabuto's actions in the battle.

 

[Maunten]

Naruto has a different fighting style, and unlike Kabuto isn't trying to absorb/revert any of his opponents. Unlike Kabuto, Naruto has the full intent to kill (assumingly) in this thread.
So he wouldn't necessarily lose just because of some of Kabuto's actions in the battle.

At the same time I have to be fair and factor in that sasuke and itachi did not have blood lust during their fight with kabuto.

 

[Munboy]

At the same time I have to be fair and factor in that sasuke and itachi did not have blood lust during their fight with kabuto.

True. Though it is worth considering that with Kabuto's virtual immunity to injury and counters, it probably would have not made a difference. Especially since he was making sure he wouldn't do things to harm Sasuke.

However Sasuke was hindered mainly, probably. He was the one complaining about being unable to kill Kabuto. This implies EMS Sasuke may have more to offer. Though from what we've seen, he's more or less a perfected MS Sasuke.
Till we see EMS exclusive jutsu, he'll be viewed as a MS Sasuke with a few new tricks.

Though the main point is: Kabuto and Naruto getting the same benefits from Sage Mode doesn't mean Naruto automatically loses due to what happened with Kabuto vs the Uchiha bros. There are notable differences ITT.

 

[sacredjutsu]

lmao! this is funy!! ahhh the uchiha bros take this with maaaaabyyyyy mid diff

 

[Maunten]

True. Though it is worth considering that with Kabuto's virtual immunity to injury and counters, it probably would have not made a difference. Especially since he was making sure he wouldn't do things to harm Sasuke.

However Sasuke was hindered mainly, probably. He was the one complaining about being unable to kill Kabuto. This implies EMS Sasuke may have more to offer. Though from what we've seen, he's more or less a perfected MS Sasuke.
Till we see EMS exclusive jutsu, he'll be viewed as a MS Sasuke with a few new tricks.

Though the main point is: Kabuto and Naruto getting the same benefits from Sage Mode doesn't mean Naruto automatically loses due to what happened with Kabuto vs the Uchiha bros. There are notable differences ITT.

Yeah I totally agree, the benefits may be the same but the users take advantage of them differently, and the amount of different these benefits would make to a battle would be different for both users.

 

[Cerox0]

Well like you said that is your opinion, and in my opinion it's not me who's overrating Naruto but everyone else who seems to overrate the Uchiha brothers. Kishi has implied time and time again that Naruto was much stronger than either of the two at the time, and Itachi had no chance of ever beating Pain, ever.

Now Naruto has Kurama's chakra, with near infinite chakra and the ability to spam thousands of clones countless times. And he has perfect Sage Mode unlike the Pain fight. Kurama gave Naruto a very small fraction of his chakra and one of his clones created 1000 Chou Odama Rasengan in an instant despite being horridly exhausted, and that was base Naruto.

Naruto also has a counter for genjutsu, re-read the fight in which Shoten Itachi fought Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto and Chiyo. Kakashi fooled Itachi with a bunshin feint and proved that genjutsu doesn['t work on clones. After repeated encounter and in a serious NarutoBase Battle situation Naruto will not be affected by genjutsu, they can't hurt him, and no one has given any convincing counter to any of Naruto's haxed techniques which give him the win in the first place.

Maybe the SM Naruto from the Pain fight would lose but this is far from that. Current Base Naruto is a fight for the Pain version of SM Naruto.

Oh yeah and not to edit too late but in response to your last sentence, Naruto's cool and all but he's by far my favorite character and he's not a character I'd wank on VS threads. If he gets beaten I'd gladly admit it, but as of yet he's really, really, really, really powerful.

I'd want to see your response to what endless naruto clones could do to this.

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It's not a matter of quantity. Kimimaro went up against tons of naruto clones and took them out with ease.

Sasuke himself literally says it's perfect for a large number of opponents.

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Clearly Zetsu and Naruto are on two whole different levels.

The scaling of power level's may be different but this is all Sasuke needs to take out any number of Naruto clones.

P.S You realize in all your arguments you make it seemas if the Uchihas will just stand there and take 1000rasengans to the face.

Not only is naruto facing that, but Itachi's Totsuka Blade and Yata mirror?

C'mon man, I too can admit when a character I like is defeated, but this is just silly.

Note: While you made a good point on not actually seeing what Yata mirror can block it was still stated in the manga to be able to block any attack - Source Kishi.

 

[Joki]

Naruto is just....dead. There isn't a single atom of him still existing.

Please provide any attack in team 2's arsenal whatsoever capable of anywhere near killing naruto to that extent?

I'd want to see your response to what endless naruto clones could do to this.

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That will do nothing, it will bounce off all of the rasengan that are as big as cars. That Susano'o is featless and has tanked anything, Naruto nukes the entire field and blows ItaSasu to smithereens along with their Susano'os.

It's not a matter of quantity. Kimimaro went up against tons of naruto clones and took them out with ease.

Sasuke himself literally says it's perfect for a large number of opponents.

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You know..except the part where a large number of opponents is different than 1,000 chou odama rasengan flying at you.

Oh so now we're comparing weak part 1 Naruto to the Naruto wit hpractically infinite chakra and 1,000 chou odama rasengan which were said to hollow out mountains? Not even Kirin was that destructive and it completely eliminated Itachi's susano'o.

Clearly Zetsu and Naruto are on two whole different levels.

Yeah, obviously.

The scaling of power level's may be different but this is all Sasuke needs to take out any number of Naruto clones.

Really? Go to the first post for the links, you really think weak enton will do anything against a wall of COR? He gets destroyed.

P.S You realize in all your arguments you make it seemas if the Uchihas will just stand there and take 1000rasengans to the face.

Yeah and do you realize iin your arguments you've given absolutely no convincing way they're going to stop 1,000 mountain busting chou odama rasengan being thrown in their face? and Naruto can just do it over and over again until they die?

Not only is naruto facing that, but Itachi's Totsuka Blade and Yata mirror?

Which also will never touch naruto among 1,000 clones and how does Yata mirror protect the entire susano'o all around him .Stop speculating, you know damn well that Chou Odama Rasengan Barrage would atomize the 2 bros.

C'mon man, I too can admit when a character I like is defeated, but this is just silly.

If it were silly I wouldn't be arguing for it. Unlike most people, I actually analyze both sides of the argument in full and what every shinobi in question is capable of before I give an input in who I think wins. Which is why I know I'm right. Itachi and Sasuke have absolutely no counter for most of his techniques, and maybe I find it completely ridiculous anyone could possibly believe the Uchiha Bros win it doesn't make it true

Note: While you made a good point on not actually seeing what Yata mirror can block it was still stated in the manga to be able to block any attack - Source Kishi.

Yeah and Chou Odama Rasengans were said to shatter entire mountains. Source, Kishi. Since when has Susano'o stopped multiple barrages of 1,000 of mountain busters?

Kirin caused no collateral damage and Susano'o was obliterated. Chou Odama Rasengans and FRS tore Kurama a new one and Naruto didn't even have access to his chakra. that was straight up SM and inferior to this Naruto, he didn't rely on Kurama at all and whooped him like he'll whoop the 2 bros. If Susano'o can't even stop Kirin how do you expect it to stop 1,000 muontain busters barraged over and over again? You admitted yourself that the DB is valid.

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Maximum whirling chakra!!

The "Rasengan" is wildly rotating chakra in one's hand and containing it in a sphere. The "Big Ball Rasengan" uses an increased quantity of chakra between the hands of the real body and a Shadow Clone. "Sage Mode" Jiraiya adds natural energy to this, rapidly increasing the size to gigantic proportions!! The created ball of light is a raging storm, coiling like a whirlpool. If it explodes, it can easily hollow out an entire mountain...!!

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[Cerox0]

Enton being the strongest fire release and being able to burn through anything. Where was enton ever weak in the manga? Your saying Naruto's Rasengan will go through Ameterasu?

The Enton Sasuke is using there literally fire's arrows of Ameterasu everywhere, which is why Naruto's endless clones will Fail.

I used Kimi as a reference to where quality isn't everything, it was not the only occasion where numbers failed.

Do you realize how Large the totsuka blade is, itachi could do a 360 swing and get rid of every single clone, I swear it's like you skimmed through the Uchihas.

As for Itachi's susano'o he was sick as a dog and kirin > Rasengan.

This is Two Uchiha,s and Sasuke's EMS Susano'o would appeal a little more durable.

There is no way Sasuke's Susano'o covered with Ameterasu will be destroyed by naruto's rasengan, idc how many he uses.

 

[Joki]

Enton being the strongest fire release and being able to burn through anything. Where was enton ever weak in the manga? Your saying Naruto's Rasengan will go through Ameterasu?

The Enton Sasuke is using there literally fire's arrows of Ameterasu everywhere, which is why Naruto's endless clones will Fail.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Amaterasu is hardly powerful enough and how do you think it will affect Naruto if he's shielded by a huge rasengan? He will just make more, and with SM it not only enhances the power of ninjutsu but he gets enhanced senses, he can dodge any Susano'o arrows like Kabuto did. And you think Sasuke has any chance at defeating Narutos in the thousands? Hell no, if he tries to take on Naruto and his Toad Army he'll be pretty damn exhausted from spamming hundreds of Amaterasu afterward.

That's assuming he can stop 1,000 Chou Odama Rasengan Barrage repeatedly but he can't in any way possible, shooting a few bursts of enton does absolutely nothing to help 1,000 COR flying at him.

I used Kimi as a reference to where quality isn't everything, it was not the only occasion where numbers failed.

Well can you try updating with a more recent valid feat? Last I checked no one was ever faced with a barrage of 1,000 COR, especailly not Susano'os which failed to tank much weaker attacks.

Do you realize how Large the totsuka blade is, itachi could do a 360 swing and get rid of every single clone, I swear it's like you skimmed through the Uchihas.

Yeah, last I checked the Naruto's aren't mindless zombies and are capable of avoiding, and with enhanced SM Reactions it should be all the more simple.

As for Itachi's susano'o he was sick as a dog and kirin > Rasengan.

So being sick as a dog makes your Susano'o mysteriously extremely weaker? This is entirely baseless. And can you take a look at the uchiha hideout before and after Kirin hit, nothing happened. It just annihilated Susano'o, so please stop speculating it's obvious 1,000 mountain busting Rasengan utterly destroy Kirin along with 2 near featless susano'oi with 2 uchiha bros inside with no way to stop the army onslaught.

This is Two Uchiha,s and Sasuke's EMS Susano'o would appeal a little more durable.

Proof?

There is no way Sasuke's Susano'o covered with Ameterasu will be destroyed by naruto's rasengan, idc how many he uses.

Yeah, you don't really care and don't give any proof you just ignore what's actually true. So basically you deny every single piece of evidence that proves what you just said wrong without any response? Just, "nope i don't care lalala"? And I'm the one who's denying my favorite character winning?

 

[Cerox0]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Amaterasu is hardly powerful enough and how do you think it will affect Naruto if he's shielded by a huge rasengan? He will just make more, and with SM it not only enhances the power of ninjutsu but he gets enhanced senses, he can dodge any Susano'o arrows like Kabuto did. And you think Sasuke has any chance at defeating Narutos in the thousands? Hell no, if he tries to take on Naruto and his Toad Army he'll be pretty damn exhausted from spamming hundreds of Amaterasu afterward.

That's assuming he can stop 1,000 Chou Odama Rasengan Barrage repeatedly but he can't in any way possible, shooting a few bursts of enton does absolutely nothing to help 1,000 COR flying at him.

Well can you try updating with a more recent valid feat? Last I checked no one was ever faced with a barrage of 1,000 COR, especailly not Susano'os which failed to tank much weaker attacks.
Yeah, last I checked the Naruto's aren't mindless zombies and are capable of avoiding, and with enhanced SM Reactions it should be all the more simple.
So being sick as a dog makes your Susano'o mysteriously extremely weaker? This is entirely baseless. And can you take a look at the uchiha hideout before and after Kirin hit, nothing happened. It just annihilated Susano'o, so please stop speculating it's obvious 1,000 mountain busting Rasengan utterly destroy Kirin along with 2 near featless susano'oi with 2 uchiha bros inside with no way to stop the army onslaught.

Proof?


Yeah, you don't really care and don't give any proof you just ignore what's actually true. So basically you deny every single piece of evidence that proves what you just said wrong without any response? Just, "nope i don't care lalala"? And I'm the one who's denying my favorite character winning?

Ugh Why must you make the quotation so messy >.>

Ameterasu was able to burn through fire itself why would it not go through chakra?

Kabuto's SM > Naruto's

He only useda few burst because there was a few opponents.

Again neither are the Uchiha's, Plus Totsuka blade has yet to failand was able in catching both Orochimaru and Nagato, it's absurd that he couldn't get naruto. Nagato had the rinnegan FFS.

Dude c'mon, it's common sense that someone sick enough to be on their last few moments on earth would have really weak jutsus, he showed it weak fatigue numerous times in the fight.

-Getting caught by the fodder shuriken,
- coughing blood and pausing
- Losing in Katon against sasuke

I;m not ignoring what's true, you're overrating SM Naruto and it would seem a little obvious if the majority (actually pretty much everyone here)of the people here agree the Uchiha bro's win.

Neither of these 2 are my fave char btw

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Enton being the strongest fire release and being able to burn through anything. Where was enton ever weak in the manga? Your saying Naruto's Rasengan will go through Ameterasu?

The Enton Sasuke is using there literally fire's arrows of Ameterasu everywhere, which is why Naruto's endless clones will Fail.

I used Kimi as a reference to where quality isn't everything, it was not the only occasion where numbers failed.

Do you realize how Large the totsuka blade is, itachi could do a 360 swing and get rid of every single clone, I swear it's like you skimmed through the Uchihas.

As for Itachi's susano'o he was sick as a dog and kirin > Rasengan.

This is Two Uchiha,s and Sasuke's EMS Susano'o would appeal a little more durable.

There is no way Sasuke's Susano'o covered with Ameterasu will be destroyed by naruto's rasengan, idc how many he uses.

I amazed u still have the patience to debate with them, here have an :ice:

 

[Cerox0]

I amazed u still have the patience to debate with them, here have an :ice:

As am I, he's a smart guy though and a good debator, but it astonishes me as to why he goes so far to argue for the Team that loses.

Idk I thought about some things recent things sasuke could do too xD

 

[LegendaryAce]

everyone who said itachi and sasuke is wrong naruto has the best jutsus possible
plot-no-jutsu
main character survival mode spell
-this spell is activated when the main character cannot win at all orhas no chance of escaping or any thing...it enables the main character to win by a new op move or escape an impossible escape...noone can defeat this besides hinata.

 

[Cerox0]

everyone who said itachi and sasuke is wrong naruto has the best jutsus possible
plot-no-jutsu
main character survival mode spell
-this spell is activated when the main character cannot win at all orhas no chance of escaping or any thing...it enables the main character to win by a new op move or escape an impossible escape...noone can defeat this besides hinata.

This is true, what was I thinking. Thread settled.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

everyone who said itachi and sasuke is wrong naruto has the best jutsus possible
plot-no-jutsu
main character survival mode spell
-this spell is activated when the main character cannot win at all orhas no chance of escaping or any thing...it enables the main character to win by a new op move or escape an impossible escape...noone can defeat this besides hinata.

agreed.