I'll use the same example I used against Gagster on you.you ignore the words "i lost" pretty easy. and dont give me that "ideals" shit
Lets say USA and Europe get in a war (extreme I know). Lets say USA throws a Nuclear Bomb that wipes out EVERYBODY in Europe, but before Europe gets nuked off the map they fire there own Nuclear Bomb at America that destroys EVERYBODY IN the USA. Who wins?