[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 621 Discussion and 622 Predictions

[Jade Uchiha]

that would never happen.

and anyone note how madara didnt release himself from ET until it was in the proccess of being released and he had a couple second to do what he wanted (release himself and that was with all his upgrades) while Hashirama didn't even have to try to will himself out of it?? Hashirama is still greater than madara even with his rinnegan, especially when the whole Alliance is fighting him too.

 

[shimisama]

Hi Fellas,

i like this chapter because i like the Story and i like to know more what happened in the past.
But i feel like there is so much going on right now, that i start to get confused, i would first like to know what really happened to the kages, are they dead ? Or was Tsunade able to keep some of them alive, etc.

What actually scares me alot is the fact that madara now is a lot stronger with his form. Doestn he have now Senju Power and a Rinnegan `? And you cant finish a Edo-Tensei with cutting a Arm or something. He will just get a new one ?

And whats the most boring point in the whole Manga for hundreds of chapters now is that Naruto dont gain any addidional Jutus, just different forms of Rasengan, and some Selfboost abilities (Kyuubi bomb, senin modus , Kyuubi mode)
I Remember the Chapter Kakashi told Naruto to do alot of his Shadowclones to learn the Rasengang, Yamato was backing him up if something would happen.

So why did naruto not learn alot of usefull Jutsus, just like the Giant Wall Hashimara and Orochimaru can build up, Naruto has alot of Chakra Power, and with his nearly limitlesss Kage Bushin clones it should be a easy way to learn some excellent jutus for defending himself or others....


I hate the fact that sasuke had nothing to learn to become stronger after his training in the oro hideout. Just implant another eye here or get more love angry.... hopefully naruto will learn something new from hashi... 4/5 for this chapter -1 for the short story

 

[Uzumaki1000]

What hashirama showed wasn't sage mode its the same technique tsunade showed when fighting madara

 

[kyndig15145]

Agreed. Hashirama >= Madara
Edo Madara > Hashirama



It's because of his Rinnegan, mainly



No it still would of been close...if you'd pay attention to the manga, madara said "it's been a while since we've fought to the death" meaning they already went at each other with full force, yet both survived, here again both went at each other with full force, both survived. You do realise that Madara lost control of Kurama in this fight too? maybe Hashirama used Kurama against him once he took over it. I doubt that because of madara's eyes, so they would of been fighting 1 on 1, with no preps...

Which would make Hashi that much better/stronger. I think Madara ran because his body was broken when he was with Obito.

 

[adipavan]

yes! i agree galactusss

 

[9th Raikage]

I predict that while Hashirama and Madara had their own rivalry, Izuna and Tobirama also had their own. I think that while Hashirama was the greatest of his rivalry, Izuna was stronger than Tobirama, which was the underlying factor to Tobirama's hate of the Uchiha clan. Think of the relationship between the two Senju and two Uchiha as a set of scales which maintains peace. If one of the walls falls as Izuna did, that balance of power is shifted.

Madara would feel at a disadvantage, leading him to acquire power so that he could equal the Senju brothers to make up for the loss of Izuna.

Oh, and I think that Hashirama was probably killed dishonorably. A shinobi so powerful and intelligent would not be killed so easy. I think he was probably poisoned by one of the Uchiha that remained in Konoha and carried the will of Madara.

Hashirama is a better medic than Tsunade. No poison would take him out. He likely died over exerting himself to protect the village.

 

[SharinganWarrior]

I honestly think each member of the Uchiha clan develop different powers maybe he doesn't know it...Jus cuz the clan has the Sharingan doesn't mean they all have the same abilities. We still as of yet have seen Madara use Tsukyomi or Amaterasu if i'm not mistaken.

Yeh I also believe that as well. But didn't Itachi specifically stated that those uchihas who awaken Susanoo must first unlock Tsukyomi and amaterasu as pre-requisite? So it doesn't make sense to me. I agree with you and I hope Madara has other EMS abilities in place of Tsukyomi and amaterasu, so it will make him more unique.

 

[SharinganWarrior]

We don't really know the extent of Hashirama's speed. Since his weaker younger brother had Space-Time jutsu, it's very likely that the older, more powerful brother also developed some kind of it. I would definitely not be surprised if Hasirama could open the 8 gates. And he can always just use his wood to block Amaterasu and then just throw it away from him like Gaara did with his sand.

I don't think his wood would be fast enough to block amaterasu cuz Amaterasu is instantaneous. His wood is not an "Automatic instantaneous" defense like Gaara's sand. He has to manually control them and predict when Amaterasu will be used, which is like almost impossible to dodge. So yes, if he's really fast, then he can dodge it. But still, how would he counter Tsukyomi without a sharingan?

 

[God of TryHards]

Yeh I also believe that as well. But didn't Itachi specifically stated that those uchihas who awaken Susanoo must first unlock Tsukyomi and amaterasu as pre-requisite? So it doesn't make sense to me. I agree with you and I hope Madara has other EMS abilities in place of Tsukyomi and amaterasu, so it will make him more unique.

its not required to have Amaterasu and Tsukyomi to achieve Susanoo. It was required for Itachi becuase those were his MS techniques. It was required for Sasuke because it was also his MS tecniques. However, it was stated in the manga (during sasuke vs raikage) that you just need to awaken and I think master both MS abilities to awaken the third power (Susanoo). Obito could have Susanoo but he only has his 1 MS eye while Kakashi has the other. So since Obito doesnt controll both eyes/MS abilities then he cannot get Susanoo.

Madara doesnt have Amaterasu and Tsukyomi, especially since it was never stated. He has other abilities of his own (of which im not sure) that he has mastered in order to achieve Susanoo.

Again, it has already been stated by Sasuke in the manga that you just need to master the MS eyes, not specially Amaterasu and Tsukyomi.

This is the #1 misconception I have seen here. And so I cant explain this enough. People tend to read too much into things and completely miss the mark.

 

[WhistleBlower]

It was a good chapter.

Hashirama v Madara is something completely different from the fights that happen in the current age of Naruto. They are both incredibly strong. Now i see what Madara meant when he was kicking the current kages asses of them being soo weak hehe

Madara is such a badass, the only one to take out Edo-Madara has to be Hashirama. I can't think of anyone else. But this said remember what Itachi told Naruto?

" Don't handle everything yourself " . I think Kishi put that idea in for a reason. Maybe the alliance alongside Shodaime, Nidaime, Sandaime & Yodaime Hokage will together defeat Madara , Obito & the Juubi?

 

[lyncer777]

Hashirama's Shinsuusenju

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[xZobiNx]

I really enjoyed the chapter! I just thought that if hashi goes off to fight he will probably make a little pit stop to heal tsunade, I will be very upset if this does happen because she kinda needs to die.

 

[Clegane1911]

everyone: its not sage mode. hashirama is unlocking his locked chakra just like tsunade does

But hashi said "senpou: mokuton". I believe senpou is something you use when you are in sage mode. Jiraiya used it too in sage mode.

 

[-immortal-]

Best friends that couldn't understand each other, seems to happen every generation.

ahahah this

 

[lucky3able]

I can't believe that someone who has been following and reading this Manga for ages will open his mouth and say Orochimaru > Hashirama.
Please if you are an Orochimaru's Fan, when it comes to saying the truth,drop the idea that Orochimaru > Hashirama.
Orochimaru is no where near Hashirama and Madara. I can even bet you that Sasuke > Orochimaru.
For you to speak this words 'Orochimaru>Hashirama',ARE YOU A LEARNER?

Hahaha! 1st of all,go down low

 

[Galactusss]

Hashirama is a better medic than Tsunade. No poison would take him out. He likely died over exerting himself to protect the village.

With the power he wields, I don't see any shinobi being able to push him that far besides Madara, and he won that fight

 

[gotacigo]

maybe Hashirama really is a sage (of something), cause as he was talking to madara, he was molding chakra (or maybe nature energy?), and he didnt move until his facemarkings had changed. Naruto's face changes too, when he enter sage mode...
so its quite reasonable for me
but
Jiraya hold his hands just like Hashirama while he was summoning the elders to help him gather nature energy while fighting pain, so it can be a kind of summoning as well...
we will see, whats that really is

by the way....
do anybody know, when do we get that double release, that was written on the first page?

 

[cardfan]

HASHIRAMA's SAGE MODE

Senpou Mokution was used by Hashi to summon shinsuusenju

His markings and and signs are the same as jiraya and narutos when entering sage mode.
his markings look similar to tsunades when she uses her self recovery technique

SENJU CLAN of the FORREST were the Rivals to the Uchia

The only remaining sacred place in the manga to rival the importance of mount myoboku or Ryuchi the Dragons ground cave is shikkotsu forrest (sorry about spelling)

It is ignorant to say that naruto and jiraya would be able to use sage mode and Hashi the god of shinobi couldnt.

Sage arts can only be taught in extraordinary, sacred places by animals who have obtained enlightenment and equilibrium with nature.

The only remaining place like this we are yet to see is shikkotsu forrest, where hashirama senju of the forrest clan, learned mokution and sage mode. It is also relevant to note how their student hiruzens summon is the monkey king enma.

unfortunately the only remaining summon of the legendary sannin is tsunades slug. hopefully the sage mode does not encompass slugs but rather a cooler summon, explaining why tsunade cannot perform this sage mode.

Shikkotsu forrest translates to damp bone forrest. The translation itself says damp. Water element charka mixed with earth chakra is used to create mokution. This sacred place is where hashi learned his unrivaled mokution.

The manga does foreshadow towards the animal/teacher being a slug due to slugs healing powers and hashiramas ability to heal himself. Maybe tsunade wasn't skilled enough to handle this sage mode similar to orochimaru.

In conclusion, Hashirama learned his sage arts and mokution at the shikkotsu Forrest

 

[Derigar]

Just to make it clear, the thousand arm techniques is NOT A SUMMON but a normal technique like the Wood Dragon & Human technique...

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Please could someone teach me how to make my own thread