[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

[schenka]

I gave it a 4/5. I was hoping for a little bit more in this chapter...*sigh* Kishi you know how to keep us wanting more. So hopefully the next chapter answers some more questions.

On a side note...to the part in the chapter where Obito says something like: "taking care of your lower parts" really?! *laughs*

 

[WillOfFire08]

very informative 4/5

 

[ichigo diasuke]

like i said kishi u still have a lot to explain...........

 

[KANGOLNY]

Theory 1: Madara found out about Nagato from Zetsu or Orochimaru. I'm sure that Nagato's village talked about the "red headed" kid born to the village. Red hair means Uzamaki...you can guess how that fits into Madara's plan. Orochimaru's parents were killed and this fueled his lust for power...I wonder if he played a part in the death of Nagato's parent's death and eyes transplant.

Theory 2(far fetched but possible): The old man that we see is not Madara but its his brother Izuna. Madara(no pony tail) and Izuna(pony tail) look alot alike except for the small variation in hair style. Both didn't have a problem slaying their own Uchiha Maybe Madara really did die that day from Hashirama. "Old man Madara" claims that he gave his eyes to someone(he didn't say who...not that Obito would know who anyway). Izuna gave his eyes to Madara.

Now the question is ...where did Old man Madara get his new sharingan. The only other ninja not accounted for is Kagami. Noone knows how he died. Madara had his eye before the Uchiha Massacre....I'm sure that the clan would have been aware if one of their members was missing an eye. Also I'm curious to know why he only had one eye implanted and not both when you need the pair for full power.

I can see the contrast between Madara and Obito (pessimistic vs optimistic, old vs young, left eye vs right eye, long hair vs short hair, experienced vs inexperienced). I also think Kishi is a fan of star wars. Madara is like emperor Palpatine...Obito is like Anakin(Darth Vader). Palpatine tells Anakin to kill all Jedi(uchiha) all for the sake of his bitch lol. Come to the darkside young uchiha.

 

[KANGOLNY]

I was thinking the same thing...but how does edo Madara know about Nagato?

 

[KANGOLNY]

I think The man who saved Obito is not Madara. He is Izuna.

I was thinking the same thing...but how does edo Madara know Nagato?

 

[jinyu]

ok chap

 

[-Punk-]

i made a theory about this ;9

but all the jinchurikis were not uzumakis?

 

[gotacigo]

Somebody please help explain this to me...

I know we have heard countless times that Madara gave Nagato the rinnengan, but this confuses me. Why? Because we saw when nagato awakened his rinnegan to save his friends. We know that he wasn't taken behind a bush and given eye surgery in the middle of that sequence...

So what exactly does this mean? That Madara gave nagato the rinnengan at some point before we saw him awaken it, and that the eyes looked just like normal eyes when they were first put into Nagato? That just doesn't make sense to me. For one, when Kakashi got Obito's eye, it didn't revert to a normal eye, it stayed a sharingan.

So somebody please explain how Nagato got eyes surgically implanted but still had to awaken them himself??

Until manga 602, my personal theory was that madara helped Nagato "awaken" the rinnengan, not by GIVING him the eyes, but by orchestrating the situation that let Nagato awken them himself. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I remember a soldier after food or something. Maybe Madara sent that soldier after them knowing it would be the trigger?

Just makes no sense to me now.

Unless I consider something totally crazy: The "Madara" we are seeing in these recent strips is NOT really Madara, but actually Izuna, the one who gave his eyes to Madara? Could he be using the same trick as "tobi" did, pretending for some personal gain?


Not trying to invent crazy theories, but the idea that Madara physically gave Nagato a set of eyes makes ZERO sense to me when you consider the other factors. Somebody please tell me that I am missing something really obvious here...

Nagato's rinnegan was active all the time!
i think he got his eyes at birth or in early child-hood

Madara gave them to him, cause he knew, that he will die soon, and he needed somebody, that revive him later..

 

[shadowfox9889]

I thought this was a fake when I read it first, but everyone here is convinced! Just sloppy! Bad, bad, bad! All these bits of rubbish information just hammered in. Nothing unexpected, nothing exciting. It's like Kishi just read all these old Tobi is Obito theories and is lazily plodding through the stupidity of it all, chapter by chapter. Not good enough.

OMG i've been saying that for months now..lol.im telling you..he is reading what we are ..all saying.as we debate about this..he is wrighting the story for us as we speak about it..Come on ..you got 1000+ readers reading naruto..you tell me you wont use any of the material that is in the blogs..its the easy way to wright a good manga/book. lol ..

 

[shadowfox9889]

I agree..so much..thats what i was thinking..

 

[Sentinelsgalore]

OMG i've been saying that for months now..lol.im telling you..he is reading what we are ..all saying.as we debate about this..he is wrighting the story for us as we speak about it..Come on ..you got 1000+ readers reading naruto..you tell me you wont use any of the material that is in the blogs..its the easy way to wright a good manga/book. lol ..

Na, we are just so good with our theories and predictions that it seems like Kishi is going through the forums lol.
Im disappointed though, the way this chapter make it seem is that Obito used ST to reach Madara's liar. Like their meeting was mere coincidence and wasn't planned by Madara.

 

[narutodarkfox]

I actually think this chapter was a disappointment

 

[Perlmutter]

Hashirama must have given Madara a real beating to leave him in such a sorry state!!!

Yeah... but thats not why he was in such a "sorry state" hes what..like 120 years old in this? Hes been connected to the tree because it is giving him life, not because of how bad he got beat like 70 years ago.

 

[mushidama]

Theory 1: Madara found out about Nagato from Zetsu or Orochimaru. I'm sure that Nagato's village talked about the "red headed" kid born to the village. Red hair means Uzamaki...you can guess how that fits into Madara's plan. Orochimaru's parents were killed and this fueled his lust for power...I wonder if he played a part in the death of Nagato's parent's death and eyes transplant.

Theory 2(far fetched but possible): The old man that we see is not Madara but its his brother Izuna. Madara(no pony tail) and Izuna(pony tail) look alot alike except for the small variation in hair style. Both didn't have a problem slaying their own Uchiha Maybe Madara really did die that day from Hashirama. "Old man Madara" claims that he gave his eyes to someone(he didn't say who...not that Obito would know who anyway). Izuna gave his eyes to Madara.

Now the question is ...where did Old man Madara get his new sharingan. The only other ninja not accounted for is Kagami. Noone knows how he died. Madara had his eye before the Uchiha Massacre....I'm sure that the clan would have been aware if one of their members was missing an eye. Also I'm curious to know why he only had one eye implanted and not both when you need the pair for full power.

I can see the contrast between Madara and Obito (pessimistic vs optimistic, old vs young, left eye vs right eye, long hair vs short hair, experienced vs inexperienced). I also think Kishi is a fan of star wars. Madara is like emperor Palpatine...Obito is like Anakin(Darth Vader). Palpatine tells Anakin to kill all Jedi(uchiha) all for the sake of his bitch lol. Come to the darkside young uchiha.

your funny but i like everthing you said so far but i wonder if kishi will explain what and who zetsu really is because he is the key too this whole mess

 

[mushidama]

what we need from kishi right now is a real deep look into what really happen between senju & uchiha's and what part of this did the uzumaki clan play in all this because after all their villages being destroy happen for a reason and it will ans alot of ? because these three clans have more secrets than the united state government.....

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Great chapter Quite a few things confirmed this week. We're now certain that Madara gave Nagato his eyes himself and we can easily speculate that Obito's new left eye came from Madara. Madara seems to have aged rather badly, tooxd

 

[TenTenFTW]

Food for Thought:

In ch 602, Madara says to Obito, "Its a miracle that you survived, its almost as if you were able to slip away from it"
first thing that comes to mind is ofc, Kamui.

How did he get Kamui, an MS tech?
Well i am just gonna restate a theory i saw and makes the most sense right now and then back it up with some evidence that its not impossible.

so the theory went something like this:
Obito received his MS when the boulders crushed him because in order to get MS you have to witness the loss of a loved one. So when Obito was crushed he saw Kakashi and Rin(the one he loved) go away. So technically, he did witness the loss of a loved one. He lost Rin. He even said "I wish i couldve lived longer"



Now to back that up:
Its not impossible to receive the next level of a sharrigan this way. Remember, Sasuke got his 1 tomoe sharrigan from when he was chasing after Itachi, trying to stop him from leaving - seen in ch. 403: Tears


the only problem that i see is that Obito had a 2 tomoe when he was crushed, so if he got MS, how does he still have a 2 tomoe? i dunno. its what makes the most sense to me so far..

 

[MinatoNamikaze25]

I think he's talking about the one on the left hand side that has those spikes on his shoulder pads like the Road Warriors.
PS be careful with the double posting, I got yelled at for doing the same thing by a mod

Nagato is first shown using the rinnegan when his parents are killed.

thanks for the warning

 

[Raiden001]

The Madara at the end of 602 only had 1 eye, and you never know he could have gotten spare eyes from the two other uchiha him and his brother killed to originally awaken their MS. (hence starting this whole eye collection fetish)

Personally i think that Yamato will become totally bad ass after being in that massive tree with the First Hokage, might even be able to use some more bullshit Wood Release ninjustu. I mean they put him their to strengthen Zetsu, who's to say it doesn't work both ways he is a clone of the first

Plus i strongly feel that Oro is working with Madara, think about all the hidden laboratories he has access too and how similar they are to each other.

and my guess as to Madara's eyes are that he did in fact give them to nagato, Madara did say you needed both Senju and Uchiha dna to evolve EMS to S06P eyes, Uzumaki (nagato) is part of the Senju clan, so it would make sense that Nagato could further evolve madara's eyes