[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

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Yes earlier in the Manga Nagato had seemingly normal eyes and could activate Rinnegan with stress early on.. If you think about it if he did have Rinnegan 24/7 when he first met the Sannin do you really think Orochimaru would have let that possible expirement escape his grasp?
Seemingly, yes, but we've never seen his eyes without the rinnegan as they were always covered by his hair. Good point regarding Oro, but I guess we are to believe that he, like us, never saw his eyes at that time.
 

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Hi all,

Long time lurker, 1st time poster.

I have some questions about this chapter....regarding the overall timeline now that we have a little more information about Obito/Tobi

Timeline:
Event 1: Kakashi Chronicles - Obito is crushed by boulder. Aprox age 12(?) Assuming same age as Kakashi (who is now 30) this happened 18(?) years ago
Event 2: The flashback of this chapter which appears to be leading to some sort of training for Obito to become Tobi/Madara
Event 3: Tobi attacks Konoha with the nine tails and fights the 4th Hokage on a near even level. Since Naruto is now 16 years old we know this happened 16 years ago
Event 4: Tobi & Itachi slaughter the Uchiha. Aprox 12(?) years ago. Maybe later

Question: How did Obito/Tobi grow so quick & fast to get on an even level with the 4th Hokage and pull off controlling the nine tails. Just two years after the Kakashi chronicles. Plot hole, or a direct correlation to what happened between him and Madara during those two years in between those events.
i think your assertion that Obito fought the 4th Hokage on an even level is a little bit off. If you go back and read that fight again, they weren't exactly equal. Obito planned a surprise attack that Minato could not have expected. He took Naruto hostage and forced Minato to teleport away. By the time he came back, Obito was at such an advantage, that his plan worked.
 

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First I have to say is it me or does Kishi love doing back stories more than giving us the big showdowns, skip over kakashi's
fight with the seven swordsmen of the mist, but get the whole story on kabuto. madara vs the 5 kages jump over the ending and now we are getting weeks of back story on Obito. I agree it can't be all fighting you need a good story but those were big fights.

So am i alone on this?
Personally I love the flashbacks when done right. They add depth to characters that otherwise seemed flat. He's been consisitant in his message that people aren't inheritantly good or bad but the choices they make decide the path they follow and its outcome. Even the bad ass bosses like Oro, Pain, Madara, and Obito all had one point where they were at that crossroads.

I did want to see Kakashi fight 7 vs 1 though and show his metal. He's only used a limited number of jutsu in battle almost 500+
chapters of being introduced.
 

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Madara's Curse mark!!!

Remember when Tobi (Obito) said to Konan, that he gave Nagato the rinnegan. I think someone else has his eyes for the time being. But I wouldnt discount the fact that Tobi stated that he was the one who gave it to him. And Madara does still have that curse mark! Remember? What if Oro wants to take his body? or extract some chakra from him like he did kabuto? Maybe thats why he's not after Sasuke? And how do you think Obito escaped? I think Orochimaru had something to do with that. Because he's always brought up when there's a chance their plans can be ruined, or if someone's on to them. He probably put the curse seal on him when he died- or as he died...
LOL!!!! Madara doesn't have a cursed seal! trololololol!!!! and even if he does, remember he even defied edo tensei easily! trololololol!
 

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rinnegan was given to nagato??? how??? and if that's the case.............. nagato should have rinnegan and sharingan... "if rinnegan is the highest eye level of sharingan... makes sense huh?
 

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Obito awakend MS??? not really... he can phase or s/t jutsu anytime even on 3 tomoe sharingan............ first time we saw OBITO used MS last few chapters.... 600
 

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rinnegan is a highest level of sharingan ,now the question is what is the conditon required to acqiure rinnegan ,since the fight between sasuke & danzo ,we had seen that danzo right hand was with sharingan plucked in harshirama's DNA hand ,,,,,this current chapter shows tobi's body has the connection with Harshirama DNA ,,,if both the people had sharingan & Harshirama DNA ,,den why didnt their eye develpoed to rinnegan ???/ is one more conditon is required to acquire rinnegan!!!!??????????????
 
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So seeing as Madara found Obito in his underground passage is it fair to assume that Madara had now plans on meeting Obito. Obito must have used ST technique for a split second to 'slip' through the boulders. I have no issue with this considering the fact that Obito awoke his two tomeo sharingan straight away and used ST without his mangekyou activated. If Madara did not expect Obito to find his way to the underground passage what is he really doing there? He must have been perfecting the Zetsu formula and doing something with the Gedo Mazo.
 

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1. First you have to consider Madara a liar then the timeline matches, I believe can go in and out of the cave if there's an entrance there must be an exit u can't tell me Madara does not feed on food and he only feeds on gedo's chakra.
2. Nagato has Madara's eyes and the sharingan with Madara could be his original eye before he took Izunas for EMS.
3. Madara/Obito killed the uchiha clan not because of the reason to save the village from war think of it like this who else could break away from IT genjustu? If there was ever a chance to? The uchiha poses a great threat to the moon eye plan so they had to be eliminated.
I don't sympathize with Madara cos he is a con who lies to make personal gain he plans for no peace but to be called a god and bowed to. All through his prime he battled for power which didn't have he was disgraced and he left on self exile vowing to come back and pay them (uchihas) back, and he did, why else can one man want to force his own will on people for the fowl name of peace? Who asked or begged him to?
Finally is there a better way to scare a little kid than what he is doing it? And the possibility of meeting the one person who poses the S/T that serves madaras purpose perfectly is one in a million, my guess? He had is eyes on Obito for a long time.

"My plot"
Madara said you need both ur sharingan to awaken the full power and Obito was thinking since his other eye was with kakashi they could work together to awaken them no wonder Obito never had susanoo or amaterasu ..... Imagine Obito and Kakashi joining hands to form seals and pulling susanoo that will be epic right?

"Prediction"
Obito might hunt Kakashi to get his other back or give Kakashi the second eye.

Just some things I felt I found out and I thought of sharing.
 

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1. First you have to consider Madara a liar then the timeline matches, I believe can go in and out of the cave if there's an entrance there must be an exit u can't tell me Madara does not feed on food and he only feeds on gedo's chakra.
2. Nagato has Madara's eyes and the sharingan with Madara could be his original eye before he took Izunas for EMS.
3. Madara/Obito killed the uchiha clan not because of the reason to save the village from war think of it like this who else could break away from IT genjustu? If there was ever a chance to? The uchiha poses a great threat to the moon eye plan so they had to be eliminated.
I don't sympathize with Madara cos he is a con who lies to make personal gain he plans for no peace but to be called a god and bowed to. All through his prime he battled for power which didn't have he was disgraced and he left on self exile vowing to come back and pay them (uchihas) back, and he did, why else can one man want to force his own will on people for the fowl name of peace? Who asked or begged him to?
Finally is there a better way to scare a little kid than what he is doing it? And the possibility of meeting the one person who poses the S/T that serves madaras purpose perfectly is one in a million, my guess? He had is eyes on Obito for a long time.

"My plot"
Madara said you need both ur sharingan to awaken the full power and Obito was thinking since his other eye was with kakashi they could work together to awaken them no wonder Obito never had susanoo or amaterasu ..... Imagine Obito and Kakashi joining hands to form seals and pulling susanoo that will be epic right?

"Prediction"
Obito might hunt Kakashi to get his other back or give Kakashi the second eye.

Just some things I felt I found out and I thought of sharing.
 

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rinnegan is a highest level of sharingan ,now the question is what is the conditon required to acqiure rinnegan ,since the fight between sasuke & danzo ,we had seen that danzo right hand was with sharingan plucked in harshirama's DNA hand ,,,,,this current chapter shows tobi's body has the connection with Harshirama DNA ,,,if both the people had sharingan & Harshirama DNA ,,den why didnt their eye develpoed to rinnegan ???/ is one more conditon is required to acquire rinnegan!!!!??????????????
it was said and foretold,,, only one person can possess the rinnegan... God's eyes...
 

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"Prediction"
Obito might hunt Kakashi to get his other back or give Kakashi the second eye.

Just some things I felt I found out and I thought of sharing.
Obito will get blind if he got his two eyes and will use MS. In my opinion, a sharingan cannot go blind if it was paired to another sharingan which belongs to another uchiha. Then both sharingans will develop without going blind. but as Itachi mentioned about the left and right which are for defense and offense, theory may not be correct. Maybe kishimoto will do a twist like this one... developing EMS with a pair of sharingan from 2 different uchihas.
 
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