I have seen a lot of ppl asking how did Tobi not know naruto was a clone.....Remember Madara said only his eyes could see the the 1st hokages wood clone jutsu.....his Uchiha and his seen Naruto's clone jutsu once already so he knew right of the back and naruto is prolly ****ed if he is in Tobi's dimension
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 601 Discussion and 602 Predictions
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Kishi didn't mind **** anyone. A ton of people expected Tobi to be Obito (for stupid and obvious reasons) so it wasn't a surprise at all when Kishi revealed Tobi as Obito. At the same time all those people who said Tobi was Obito were belittled because that theory doesn't make logical sense within the storyline events, so in order for Obito to be Tobi, Kishi has to stretch things and change the story.
DrehVerWortEr
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I really don't get the problem with this....Obito lied about being madara..about almost everything...and he had to fight Konan, who had pure hate as motivation.
So, why not playing some psychological warfare? Telling that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan...what made him special, a god, everything why she beleived in him...torn apart right in front of her...perfect to weaken her
So BTT: 1. I have to know how much chakra Madara had in his real life.... Because i bet he wasn't able to spam Perfect Susanoo or mereors with his Rinnegan and all his epic jutsus.
2. Tsunade will die i guess, but not Naruto will become hogake if he survives the war, rather Kakashi or Shikamarus father
3. What about Sasuke, Oro and Kabuto? There have to be like...25 chapters to a) explain all stories and b) to unite them...and pls not just 1 page like all kage bleeding on the floor...SHOW THE FREAKING EPIC FIGHT KISHI!!!!
and at last to all the haters and ignorant people out there: Obito as Tobi was hinted like...200 chapters ago. Madara saving Obito and training him is no bad plot...how else could he know almost everything and where else could he get his skills from? You know no Plot to explain it, then except the best solution.
yeah but as i said also in another topic those ' 3 curly thingies' that make a cursed seal are also the same as the 'necklace' of the so6p and on naruto in kyuubi mode so i don't think it's related to eachother... cuz so6p is years before even oro lived, but yeah anything is possible here so it could also be that orochimaru has things of the so6p but i think that's too farfetched cuz the cursed seal itself also has nothing to do with the so6p but with Jugo... and the sign is also on the fan of madara so i think it's just a sign what they use often... could be wrong tough
CloakedDeception
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Maybe Tsunade won't die but it would be the end of her time as kage and even as a ninja. I'm thinking she saves the other kage but could only heal herself enough to survive and thus loses her legs. This would open the way to have a new kage after the war... For Naruto basically. And somehow kakashi either passes up the kage title or dies.
Don't ever say again he's gonna... you know... i ain't even saying it... that's just not an option xD he's also a very popular character so it's would also be stupid but anyway, you can be right that he's gonna pass for hokage don't care about that but don't say scary things like that man :|
if you get struck by lightning anytime soon it's your own fault cuz that would just be a raikiri from above xD
Dont you remember, Dan just gave her his chakra, so she has full chakra storage. He also said "Don't come to the other side anytime soon, theres more for you to do". No matter what situation Tsunade is in, she think of the others first, like a hero would do.
But, as she will use her chakra on the others, I don't think she will have enough left to use byakogue on herself.
There goes her ultimate goal, she failed it, to see her loved one reaching their dream to become the Hokage. Kishi killed her off as a failed character. Sad but true.
Holy sh*t!!!!! This was epic. When I saw Tsunade I was like f**k, she's been split in half by my boy Madara. All the kages were pi**ed on(LOL). This chapter was too awesome. Its sad that Tsunade has to die though. Kishi could have picked someone else like Kakashi cuz he's fighting the top dogs.
Some people said there's a plot hole about Madara giving Nagato his Rennigan, but I dont think there's a plot hole
During the 3rd great war, Madara was still alive and was very old as it has been show in the current manga.
Jiraya didnt meet Nagato to train him until after d war, when the 3 sennins were head home.
Someone mentioned that Jiraya had not trained the forth hokage... I for one will say ur brain and eyes are dead and need fixing by Madara or Zetsu....because if u follow the time line well, U will notice that Jiraya had already trained Minato before Minato married Kushina and before Minato became hokage. As at the 3 great war time, Minato was already a sensei (of Kakashi, Obito and Rin), thereby suggesting that he had already finished his preliminary trainings with Jiraya at a younger age (because he was considered an excellent student, who only appear once in a life time and started under Jiraya's wings from his youth, I think even before he was 12).
As for Madara giving Nagato his eyes, that happened just after d war, by then he had already rescued Obito during the war hence Obito was with him and knew about it. It was also possible to give Nagato the eyes because d war had just finished and the Uchihas were still around; so some might have died during the war and Madara just took their eyes or may be he go some Sharingan some other way :shrug:
But what bothers me is that when Itachi went to meet Madara for help to murder d Uchihas, it was actually Obito that he met up with and not Madara, therefore Obito had long hair like Madara at some point because it couldnt have been Madara himself since he was very old when he saved Obito.
During the 3rd great war, Madara was still alive and was very old as it has been show in the current manga.
Jiraya didnt meet Nagato to train him until after d war, when the 3 sennins were head home.
Someone mentioned that Jiraya had not trained the forth hokage... I for one will say ur brain and eyes are dead and need fixing by Madara or Zetsu....because if u follow the time line well, U will notice that Jiraya had already trained Minato before Minato married Kushina and before Minato became hokage. As at the 3 great war time, Minato was already a sensei (of Kakashi, Obito and Rin), thereby suggesting that he had already finished his preliminary trainings with Jiraya at a younger age (because he was considered an excellent student, who only appear once in a life time and started under Jiraya's wings from his youth, I think even before he was 12).
As for Madara giving Nagato his eyes, that happened just after d war, by then he had already rescued Obito during the war hence Obito was with him and knew about it. It was also possible to give Nagato the eyes because d war had just finished and the Uchihas were still around; so some might have died during the war and Madara just took their eyes or may be he go some Sharingan some other way :shrug:
But what bothers me is that when Itachi went to meet Madara for help to murder d Uchihas, it was actually Obito that he met up with and not Madara, therefore Obito had long hair like Madara at some point because it couldnt have been Madara himself since he was very old when he saved Obito.
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Great chapter.. Cant wait for the next one to learn who that old man is, and what really happened with obito.. Tsunade is probably going to die saving the other kages, and in the end naruto will become hokage. Btw are there still people out there saying that obito its not really obito..? =/
I think that Kakashi sent (Real) Naruto on purpose to the Second Dimension (Obito/Kakashi Dimension) because it will be much harder for obito to take on Kakashi and Guy because he can't use Kamui to defend himself now or he will get slapped in the other realm.
For obito in the middle of Life and Death, I think he was in the place where Kakashi was when he "Died" and Madara could of used Gedo Rinnie Tensei No Jutsu because if nagato could use it that probably meant so could Madara. I believe that he must of healed up Obito to a could enough condition to survive and used the Jutsu to send him back to the Real World. Mayb.
Now it can probably go to ways in my opinion if the Duo of Madara and Obito "We Can Tell Their Overpowering Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, Guy" Then Sasuke and Orochimaru might join Naruto side mayb. Masashi Kishimoto might want this to be where Naruto And Sasuke fight together? Because they haven't fought along side each other since Chunin Exams. I think they would be a Great Duo against Madara and Obito.
I feel really sorry for Kakashi he was paid his respects for Obito just to find out that his friend left to join the Dark Side. And on top of that after a good 10-15 Years lost his Pupil that was very close to him.
(Gonna Feel Very Upset When Naruto Ends) Only if they made it Like DBZ where Naruto has kids for some wierd reason and it shows Him and His Son/Sons Fighting together along side. "Only If"
For obito in the middle of Life and Death, I think he was in the place where Kakashi was when he "Died" and Madara could of used Gedo Rinnie Tensei No Jutsu because if nagato could use it that probably meant so could Madara. I believe that he must of healed up Obito to a could enough condition to survive and used the Jutsu to send him back to the Real World. Mayb.
Now it can probably go to ways in my opinion if the Duo of Madara and Obito "We Can Tell Their Overpowering Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, Guy" Then Sasuke and Orochimaru might join Naruto side mayb. Masashi Kishimoto might want this to be where Naruto And Sasuke fight together? Because they haven't fought along side each other since Chunin Exams. I think they would be a Great Duo against Madara and Obito.
I feel really sorry for Kakashi he was paid his respects for Obito just to find out that his friend left to join the Dark Side. And on top of that after a good 10-15 Years lost his Pupil that was very close to him.
(Gonna Feel Very Upset When Naruto Ends) Only if they made it Like DBZ where Naruto has kids for some wierd reason and it shows Him and His Son/Sons Fighting together along side. "Only If"
I don't know mate about Madara being very old during the age he was alive because from what we seen from him "killing" all 5 kages he could of known a way to stay alive for longer the way Orochimaru "Tried". maybe Masashi Kishimoto made it that when you died you went back to your true form?
Yukimaru Yoshi
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Great Chapter!
Facts
1. Obito was saved by Madara
2. Madara was very old when he saved Obito
3. Madara's plan was to be revived by Nagato
Madara trained Obito to master his sharigan in a short period. If Itachi mastered his at a young age Im sure Obito could do the same esp learning from Madara. To also add, Madara might have died before the attack on Konoha. Madara lived longer then he was suppose to because he infused himself with 1st cells. in return, giving him a longer life force. On top of that he said to obito "your between this world and the other world" hinting he might have extended his life force by living in another dimension. just my 2 cents
To clear things up with Madaras fan. The 3 circle things are the uchiha Tomoe that are present in each eye of a fully develop sharigan. Theres 6 total on madaras fan representing 3 in each eye. They could also be the uchiha special seal for the jutsu being used by madara.
And to clear up another thing...Obito deff did not give nagato the rinnegan. Nagato is older than obito because jiraiya met nagato in the 2 world war..and when the war was over he began teaching the 4th..so its not obito who gave the rinnegan to nagato, but madara himself..we can't forget that tobi/obito was pretending to be madara.
Did anyone notice how madara looked at obito's arm? he knows obito infused himself with the 1st DNA making him suspicious of his plans...
Facts
1. Obito was saved by Madara
2. Madara was very old when he saved Obito
3. Madara's plan was to be revived by Nagato
Madara trained Obito to master his sharigan in a short period. If Itachi mastered his at a young age Im sure Obito could do the same esp learning from Madara. To also add, Madara might have died before the attack on Konoha. Madara lived longer then he was suppose to because he infused himself with 1st cells. in return, giving him a longer life force. On top of that he said to obito "your between this world and the other world" hinting he might have extended his life force by living in another dimension. just my 2 cents
To clear things up with Madaras fan. The 3 circle things are the uchiha Tomoe that are present in each eye of a fully develop sharigan. Theres 6 total on madaras fan representing 3 in each eye. They could also be the uchiha special seal for the jutsu being used by madara.
And to clear up another thing...Obito deff did not give nagato the rinnegan. Nagato is older than obito because jiraiya met nagato in the 2 world war..and when the war was over he began teaching the 4th..so its not obito who gave the rinnegan to nagato, but madara himself..we can't forget that tobi/obito was pretending to be madara.
Did anyone notice how madara looked at obito's arm? he knows obito infused himself with the 1st DNA making him suspicious of his plans...
KonohasMinatoUzumaki
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Well madara had the rinnegan and gave it obito.......nagato probably got the eyes from that other friend he had when jiraya trained them? and wtf kages got there ass beat haha
theanomaly18
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I just love how everyone assumes the old man in the last frame is Madara. Yes, it's a high probability that it is, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE! Needless to say though, we will probably start closing the questions about Obito and Madara in the next chapter or very few upcoming chapters. But awesome!!
My question deals with Edo. If you only need DNA of the person, why was Granny Chino still old when she came back? IF the old guy in the last page was Madara, why did the edo-madara not look like him? Why is he so much younger, while granny and even Hanzo were the same age as when they died. Wondering if the previous theories of Izuna could come into play here.
Yukimaru Yoshi
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That true, Ive thought about it myself...im sure kishi has his reasons why..he probably didn't want to bring back an old looking madara who would be dominating everyone. younger madara fits better and where familiar with his face...or he could have just forgotten..deff a question for kishi to answer.
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