[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions

[CiNoize]

If this is actually Obito not just body/eye then his reason for having this drastic change might be that he just grew tired of seeing all the death ( family?/friends) and unkept promises of peace. It will probably have something to do with Rin and here apparent death. If his actual plan is infinite tsukuyomi then it's plausible to reason in his eyes this is the only way to create "true peace" by having everyone in check. I believe he wouldn't see himself as the enemy but the hero that brought peace, admired by all. In a flawed way of thinking created by tragedy. Similar to Nagato's way of thinking. Nagato wasn't pure evil. He was changed by the tragedies in his life which caused him to see life and death in one way no matter who's opinion, he was going to accomplish his version of "true peace." Well until he had a chat with Naruto.

This would be my reasoning behind him actually being Obito.

 

[Fiercesoul]

I understand what you are saying but it isn't really that bad. You can read my post in this page and see if something i said helps.

Obito was heartbroken...that changes anyone...

 

[Dark Crow]

Gai owned obito bad left him with an eyepatch

Lol

 

[Buzz Beamer4]

Well, what of time moves faster in the Kamui dimension than in the real one? If that's the case, it would explain how he travles faster than most ninja and also explains his aging so quickly... It'd help explain the fight against Minato... It would also give Naruto time 2 get into Sage mode as Naruto wasn't really moving throughout the thrust of the Rasengan, plus he has mastered it 2 da point where he can enter with motion... It just takes time... It seems logical 2 me... It would also make the battle harder 4 Guy nd Kakashi... Let's also not 4get the fact that the Right side of his face is not injured while the Left side is, and the the Sharingan. was abstracted from the eye and not the eye taken out... It would explain how 1 eye is natural Sharinang (Borrowed comments 2 Kakashi) and da Riningan is only inside of the abstracted eye...

 

[fat strudle]

you know it never exactly said it was obito, for all we know someones soul is in his body...

 

[Dprian]

im still in denial

 

[Blasiandel]

Let me start off by saying just because the chap is named ‘Uchiha Obito’ and Kakashi asks at the end if it’s Obito, doesn’t mean it’s him. Kakashi is asking if it’s him, and the whole chap are flashbacks about Obito, therefore that’s why the chap is named Obito.

The only reason I can see Kishi trying to bullshit us in making it Obito (although there are way too many plotholes) is to add more significance to Sasuke and Naruto’s upcoming battle. Naruto will see what Madara or Oro did to a Uchiha (Obito), and think of Sasuke. Naruto will also see Kakashi’s will to kill his bestfriend, Obito, to protect his comrades. This will play an important role in the series, because Naruto will soon have to do the same. Kakashi will probably die in this heroic attempt enraging Naruto to come to a realization that his handful of current friends are worth more than an emo, egotisitical, bastard, bestfriend, Sasuke.


Since it is completely illogical for it to actually be Obito, I’m going to wait for Kishi’s explanation. I pray that the Izuna + Zetsu + Obito all in one vessel theory is true, because we all know Madara’s brother has to be a badass. On a another note, I wonder what Izuna’s Susano’o looked like. *scratches head* Probably cooler than Sasuke’s

To sum it all up, if it is Obito, whatever (his debut was awesome). If it’s Kagami, Izuna, Madara’s son, or the elder son of the So6p, even better. I just want my explanation.

 

[Rasha29]

My theory as to how Obito became Tobi

The way I see it is like this:

After giving Kakshi his Sharingan, Obito's grief awakened his Mangekyo seconds before being completely crushed by the ensuing landslide. He then unconsciously transported himself to the other dimension, no doubt as a defense mechanism. He then transported himself back out of the dimension somewhere near konoha, where Orochimaru found him.

Orochimaru noticed that Obito had the Mangekyo Sharingan, so he decided to save him. He brought him to one of his secret hideouts, where he unveiled one of his experiments: Zetsu. Orochimaru used zetsu to save Obito, afterwards helping Obito become accustomed to his new limbs, and learn how to further control his Mangekyo. Using Zetsu not only saved his life, but also increased his power exponentially due to the Senju DNA. I believe this caused his normal MS to act more like an EMS, allowing him to use (and abuse) his new optical ability to his hearts content.
(This would explain how in the span of a few short years Obito went from being a normal Genin, to being able to go toe to toe with the 4th Hokage.)

Orochimaru's initial motive to help Obito was the same as with Sasuke, to take his body after training him a bit. He did not foresee, however, that Obito's MS tech would make him almost completely untouchable. Orochimaru saw this, and decided to just have Zetsu keep an eye on Obito, and manipulate him from the shadows.
Then, after hearing of Rin's death: Obito lost it, and began devising his "Moon's Eye Plan", and how he would gather all of the tailed beasts.

Do you see the problem with what you text. Obito had MS from bolders falling on him, when he couldn't even pull the sharingan out. but a few minute after he get the sharingan, this garbage Uchiha skip pass sharingan second stage, do what only the most talented Uchiha surpose to be able to do after they kill their best friend(Kishi should of let every Uchiha have MS, because he just water it down with Obito getting it). Than Orochmaru find him with MS(which make no sense at all) and he don't want his body or eye. A matter of a fact Akatsuki was around before Obito surpose death, because Orochmaru been left the village and join them, so who founded Akatsuki. Madara who die not that much after fighting the first and releasing the rinnigan over 70 years ago or Tobi who wasn't even born or just a kid. Kishi you are all over the place with this Tobi being Obito plot.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Tobi's identity was so important to Naruto that he passed up an opportunity to kill Tobi just to see it.

 

[SkylineGTR]

Well, what of time moves faster in the Kamui dimension than in the real one? If that's the case, it would explain how he travles faster than most ninja and also explains his aging so quickly... It'd help explain the fight against Minato... It would also give Naruto time 2 get into Sage mode as Naruto wasn't really moving throughout the thrust of the Rasengan, plus he has mastered it 2 da point where he can enter with motion... It just takes time... It seems logical 2 me... It would also make the battle harder 4 Guy nd Kakashi... Let's also not 4get the fact that the Right side of his face is not injured while the Left side is, and the the Sharingan. was abstracted from the eye and not the eye taken out... It would explain how 1 eye is natural Sharinang (Borrowed comments 2 Kakashi) and da Riningan is only inside of the abstracted eye...

We can't jump to the conclusion still that just because his right eye is the normal Sharingan and the left eye is the Rinnegan makes him Obito. Last time I checked Tobi had both his eyes Sharingans when he fought Konan. And the only reason that makes sense for him having the Rinnegan is because it states that he used Izangi to avoid Konan's massive explosion.

I still don't get why a lot of you are jumping on the 'its Obito' wagon when we haven't gotten complete proof it's really him.

 

[Kronos]

I came back to finally came back to Narutobase and this happens?! Kisshimoto better do a good job of explaining the details next chapter!

 

[aimop95]

I still don't get why a lot of you are jumping on the 'its Obito' wagon when we haven't gotten complete proof it's really him.

The only proof Obito fans don't have right now is that Tobi himself has not yet confirmed it.

If that happens, then Tobi = Obito.

As it stands, the manga on face value is implying that Tobi = Obito.

 

[nNoma]

Okay, so I think that Kishimoto will do a great job explaining the connection between Obito and Madara in the next week or two. Right now everyone's flipping out about this because of all the plot holes involved, but remember that this is Naruto, crazier shit has happened.

We know Obito is probably not really 100% "Obito" anymore. From what we've seen he's been altered, by who is unknown and for what purpose other than to serve Madara's moon eye plan is unknown. But rest assured Kishimoto has an explanation, I doubt he just decided that Tobi was going to be Obito last week.

He's more than likely had this thought out for the last few years, heck he might have had this figured out near the beginning of Shippuden.

The masked man and Obito are more than likely two different people, or they share different chakra signatures. Minato would have sensed Obito's chakra during there fight together and pieced all of this together. So let's assume for a moment that we have two individuals playing the same role at different times through out the story.

The man who helped destroy the Uchiha clan with Itachi had long hair and carried a sword, he is distinctly different looking from the current Tobi(Obito). I think Kishimoto did this on purpose, to maybe confuse us, or to hide the fact that Tobi is indeed multiple people.

We have no proof that the man who helped Itachi that night was the same person as the current Tobi. We didn't even get to see if he had the same abilities as Obito/current Tobi...we have no proof other than Itachi saying it was the same person and the fact that he wore a mask similar to Tobi's.

Whatever explanation Kishimoto has for us, I'm sure will tie all of these loose ends and plot holes together, it's just a matter of time. Patience is a virtue

 

[ameenB]

This makes no F*CKING sense! We know Minato was Obito, Rin, and Kakashi's sensei. They were all under him, so how the f*ck is it possible that the masked man, who is shown to be Obito fought his sensei in that form? Did he have a growth spurt overnight? Or is it that the masked man who fought Minato and Tobi are two different people? Someone please elaborate!

 

[kisamexRocks]

In the next chapter they better reveal Madara brainwashing the shit out of obito to make him evil. But it could just be Madara in Obito's body. technically Tobi is still Madara.

 

[Buzz Beamer4]

Do you see the problem with what you text. Obito had MS from bolders falling on him, when he couldn't even pull the sharingan out. but a few minute after he get the sharingan he skip pass sharingan second stage, do what only the most talented Uchiha surpose to be able to do after they kill their best friend(Kishi should of let every have MS, because he just water it down with Obito getting it). Than Orochmaru find him with MS(which make no sense at all) and he don't want his body or eye. A matter of a fact Akatsuki was around before Obito surpose death, because Orochmaru been left the village and join them, so who founded Akatsuki. Madara who die not that much after fighting the first and release the rinnigan over 70 years ago or Tobi who wasn't even born or just a kid. Kishi you are all over the place with this Tobi being Obito plot.

Akatski was made Yahiko so it wasn't that Long b4 Obito Rin nd Kakashi were indited into the shinobi world sense Minato was a pupil of Jariah as a kid and is a jounin by then... Also I agree wid ur "eye" thing... I just don't see why you all don't believe he could have just lived through a few rocks falling on him... Just because it was numb dosn't mean it's crushed... It could be numb from extreme pain, who knows? Naruto's been closer 2 death than that!U_U

 

[Kyno]

Well, what of time moves faster in the Kamui dimension than in the real one? If that's the case, it would explain how he travles faster than most ninja and also explains his aging so quickly... It'd help explain the fight against Minato... It would also give Naruto time 2 get into Sage mode as Naruto wasn't really moving throughout the thrust of the Rasengan, plus he has mastered it 2 da point where he can enter with motion... It just takes time... It seems logical 2 me... It would also make the battle harder 4 Guy nd Kakashi... Let's also not 4get the fact that the Right side of his face is not injured while the Left side is, and the the Sharingan. was abstracted from the eye and not the eye taken out... It would explain how 1 eye is natural Sharinang (Borrowed comments 2 Kakashi) and da Riningan is only inside of the abstracted eye...

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[IcedFox]

And all the Obito-fanboys being immature going OMGLIKEZITOLDYOUSO HURRHURRDURR DERP.

Personally, I'm not mad, I just don't understand, I mean, freaking Obito...who got crushed by a rock, knew he was gonna die, fought against Minato, and also somehow managed to cause Kisame to join Akastuki?

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't add up, Kishi's got some explaining to do....

 

[KillerbYo]

Obito was actually helping an old lady that was fun to know.

 

[Naru2GT]

Chapter is ok. Not much dialogue. So Obito was kinda like Naruto, funny guy, has dreams to be hokage, I guess the only difference is that he lacks the "will of fire".
I believe Obito's turning point was probably Rin's death. Gai crying was funny and is that Anko (pg.3)?
Kudos to those people who thought Tobi is Obito. : )