[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions
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I'm not sure whether to believe if he is Obito yet. But if he is, whos to say he was the same guy as the one who fought Minato? Could just be another lie. Also, does this mean Kabuto knew he was Obito all along? (If he is) ... And Kisame? When Tobi took off his mask to him? Also Madara and Tobi still have to be connected somehow, because Madara said something about it being their plan when we was first brought back by edo tensei...
I too think this way but not exactly like that (a little different) . Still it could be this. Maybe.1.) Madara fought Hashirama, lost the fight and stole some of his DNA. We all know this
2.) After the Fight Madara heals his Body with Hashi´s Cells
3.) After tons of Traininghours, Madara gained the Mokuton Ability and Rinnegan. That explaines why he could use so much Jutsu´s of Mokuton and controls the Rinnegan nearly perfectly.
4.) in Cooperation with Orochimaru he invented the B/W Zetsu from Hashi´s cells.
5.) Madara found Obito and with Zetsu and the Knowledge he got from Orochimaru he heals the right side of his Body and got a new Sharingan from Madara.
6.) Madara trained Obito and implanted him all his Hate, Knowledge of Senju/Uchiha and his Tsuki no Me Plan.
7.) Through the Trauma of Rin´s Death Obito unlocked his MS.
8.) Madara battles the fourth Hokage, lost and from this Wound he dies. Obito can´t be the one, because he is too young and we have never seen him do the Kyuubi Kuchiyose Jutsu. Madara tried it shortly after he got back with Edo Tensei!
9.) Obito will lead Madaras Plans to the End and erased with Itachi the whole Uchiha Clan.
10.) the Rest we know all
My Explanation of what could had happened in the Past, take it easy. But next week we know for sure
Alright I don't see why people are saying there going to stop reading Naruto because Obito is Tobi to be honest I think it's got a lot to do with Kakashi maybe it's hinting to Kakashi's death or him finally having closure over Obito.
Yeah there are plot holes such as how did Obito know so much about Hashirama and Izuna and the history of Konoha, also how he was nearly on even level with Minato or even how he got MS.
My theory is Madara found Obito before the cave collapsed and took him away to be healed by Zetsu and poisoned Obito's mind telling him Kakashi got all the credit for the mission and etc.
Also people saying it's Madara who battled Minato stop it wasn't the fact that Tobi's arm was hanging off with white liquid shows that it was Obito.
Now with the MS maybe Rin has something to do with that since Obito and Kakashi have the same eyes is it possible it was Obito who unlocked the MS and Kakashi only obtained after Obito did.
Now with the age thing I think it's safe to assume that Obito swapped positions with Madara in Akatuski and the mask would help with that.
Kishi certainly gave us more questions then answers huh.
Yeah there are plot holes such as how did Obito know so much about Hashirama and Izuna and the history of Konoha, also how he was nearly on even level with Minato or even how he got MS.
My theory is Madara found Obito before the cave collapsed and took him away to be healed by Zetsu and poisoned Obito's mind telling him Kakashi got all the credit for the mission and etc.
Also people saying it's Madara who battled Minato stop it wasn't the fact that Tobi's arm was hanging off with white liquid shows that it was Obito.
Now with the MS maybe Rin has something to do with that since Obito and Kakashi have the same eyes is it possible it was Obito who unlocked the MS and Kakashi only obtained after Obito did.
Now with the age thing I think it's safe to assume that Obito swapped positions with Madara in Akatuski and the mask would help with that.
Kishi certainly gave us more questions then answers huh.
Its going to be revealed that tobi/obito... is half obito and half zetsu... and he was created with the help of the First's hokages DNA.. that Orochimaru some how got his hands on and used it on obito's dead body to create NO ONE... AKA Tobi!!!!!!
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i may sound crazy but i believe kishi is reading these forums and alike from other sites and plotting as he reads what we say....we our selves may be writing the story to his mangas....it only appeared to be obito until we started to mention or ...assume it was him..just a thot
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Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 600 Predictions and 599 Discussions
I agree with you man...if it does turn out that way it's complete bullshit. Everything you say is impossible for Obito to have done. He goes from being a complete loser to a badass ninja who rivals the 4th Hokage in his PRIME?!? Come on now. There's gotta be some other explanation for it. How long was it from the time Obito died to the 4th Hokage fighting Tobi? It wasn't 10 years I'm sure and the 4th fought a grown man. If it is Obito, I'm done reading this (naw, I'm just messing around...I'll still read it. LOL).
Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 600 Predictions and 599 Discussions
NOT AT ALL!!! Minato was Kakashi, Obito and Rin's Sensei.should minato's face be on the mountain wall behind obito in page 7? i dont think he was the hokage then.. he became hokage only later right? did kishi mess up??
and regarding the chapter loved it
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So Obito swapped positions with Madara to be in the Akatsuki and then did what? Where did Madara go? Back into the coffin? No way he would've done that. Remember, when the REAL Madara was revived, he had no clue as to who revived him. Either way, Kishi is probably laughing his ass off about all the drama he's created.
I agree and I stated most of these thoughts before... But reading your post made me think... What is it that Oro was promised, if promised anything to help, what could Madara have giving him to make him Cooperate?1.) Madara fought Hashirama, lost the fight and stole some of his DNA. We all know this
2.) After the Fight Madara heals his Body with Hashi´s Cells
3.) After tons of Traininghours, Madara gained the Mokuton Ability and Rinnegan. That explaines why he could use so much Jutsu´s of Mokuton and controls the Rinnegan nearly perfectly.
4.) in Cooperation with Orochimaru he invented the B/W Zetsu from Hashi´s cells.
5.) Madara found Obito and with Zetsu and the Knowledge he got from Orochimaru he heals the right side of his Body and got a new Sharingan from Madara.
6.) Madara trained Obito and implanted him all his Hate, Knowledge of Senju/Uchiha and his Tsuki no Me Plan.
7.) Through the Trauma of Rin´s Death Obito unlocked his MS.
8.) Madara battles the fourth Hokage, lost and from this Wound he dies. Obito can´t be the one, because he is too young and we have never seen him do the Kyuubi Kuchiyose Jutsu. Madara tried it shortly after he got back with Edo Tensei!
9.) Obito will lead Madaras Plans to the End and erased with Itachi the whole Uchiha Clan.
10.) the Rest we know all
My Explanation of what could had happened in the Past, take it easy
What if Madara shared some secrets about the Uchiha and promised to help Oro get a body.
Theres a very slim chance Oro could be taking Sasuke to talk to the real Madara to get answers.. Or maybe he's taking him to see some other Uchiha that could have escaped the massacre with the help of Madara.. Maybe Kagami who can be the father of Obito...
I'm thinking of crazy explanations as I write this lol
Madara has Hashi´s Cells and we have seen this in the Battle with the 5 Kages and Zetsu is made of Hashis Cells! Obito has also Zetsu/Hashis Cells.
So the one who battled Minato eventually could be Madara
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I know it is a long Reply but i want to cover all facts as arguments, so if you take you time to read to whole think, I guess it will help you all.
First i want to say that i have been reading this blogs for some years now and never felt the need to register to join the discussion until now.
I have to admit that Kishi made some small mistakes now and then, but letting Tobi JUST be Obito would be some massive mistake. And at least until now there have been no such massive ones in Naruto, so I guess it is not JUST Obito without any additional . . . Things. And by the way i don't believe in the TWO TOBI THEORY. That would be the lamest thing ever.
Let be state some arguments why Tobi being JUST Obito would be absolutely ridiculous (I will start with the strongest arguments and will close with some smaller ones):
- Tobi obviously has to have Hashiramas Cells because he has used Izanagi and uses the Rinnegan. Where should Obito have gotten this, without help
- Tobi states that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato in the first place and this would have obviously been before OBITOS BIRTH, so either he is a big fat liar (well i lied before i give you that) or it was not OBITO but some other part of Tobi. By the way i think the Rinnegan are originally Madaras (i.e. Izunas) Eyes. This would fit because it seems logically that only SO6P and other people with both Uchiha and Senja DNA can have Rinnegan, so Nagato was no Wonder of Nature but simply got this eyes implanted somehow.
- Tobi has a massive Knowledge of so many things that happened before Obitos Birth, so I guess he can't have figured this out all by himself
- Tobi has obviously the power to grow some new Body-parts that consist of some white substance. This reminds me of Zetsus power. So something must have happened with his body. Some change, some implantation. Of course this has maybe to do with to Hashirama DNA
- Obito was a nice guy. He envied Kakashi because he loved Rin, but when he was dying he gave Kakashi his Sharingan and he was thinking of him as a Friend. Maybe he would be angry on Kakashi because Rin died. But as far as we know this happended years after Obito was crushed, so why wouldn't he have returned to Konoha by then? There is no real explanation possibility for such a change of heart.
- Many people believed he was Madara. Especially Kisame who has also seen his face. And Kisame also saw his face just a fed Months ago and was not surprissed to see the face of Obito we saw in the last chapter. So he must have seen the same face when he first met Tobi. But why should he believe him to be Madara if there is no additional explanation to his appearance that he game Kisame. Kisame was obviously not the kind of guy who believed a half-grown brat (that obito would have been back then) just to be the most powerful Uchiha of all times without any more reason. And Itachi. He also thought of Tobi as Madara. He said he was only a shade of his former self but he was immortal. So maybe there is some Madara in Tobi... this would explain it.
- Minato should have somewhat recogniced his former student when Tobi attacked the Leaf, shouldn't he. Except when Tobi would have been some completely (mind?)-changed Obito.
- It would have been to obvious, to easy to guess from the very beginning of Tobi.
- Why should Kishi reveale the whole deal in Chapter 599? There has to be something more than just Obito that gets revealed in Chapter 600.
So let me conclude with three things, that I think of as some fitting explanation for all this stuff:
- Kishi got high on some extreme hard stuff and actually it is Obito
- This is just Genjutsu to freak out Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to get advantage in the fight. And also to give all the crazy OBITO THEORY-FANS ony week of "I told you so" until they get crushed with next weeks chapter
- There is some sort of Madara- or Izuna- or Whatever- Part in Obitos Body. I know that Madara is dead. . . But so is Orochimara in some way but still there have been some parts in Kabuto and so on. . .And Kabuto said Madaras Edo Tensei was some special thing (Maybe he refered to the Hashirama Face but it was revealed that Madara hat this DNA already before his Death).
So i guess that the most logical explanation was that when Madara died he entrusted someone with his will, maybe with some part of his mind. And this part took over controll of Tobi. By the way. Madara died after Nagato was born. This can be since the first thing he says when he is summond are: "So it finally happened...Seems like that Nagato brat has really grown". So i guess Madara was somehow dying from whatever. And he hopped that Nagato, entrusted with the sharingan, would grow to get so strong with his Revival Abillity that he would bring HIM back one day. After Nagato died and saved all Konoha people he killed with this Revival jutsu, Tobi is really enraged and says something like "damn you Nagato, this was meant for me". So this also speaks for some Madara in Tobi.
So I guess the Tobi we know is some Zetsu-Modifikation of what remained of Obito's Body (Maybe still left with some surpressed Obito mind) with part of Madaras soul in him.
Feal free to respond if you agree of disagree or have some additional arguments. If i have time to read it and respond i would love to go on with the discussion.
First i want to say that i have been reading this blogs for some years now and never felt the need to register to join the discussion until now.
I have to admit that Kishi made some small mistakes now and then, but letting Tobi JUST be Obito would be some massive mistake. And at least until now there have been no such massive ones in Naruto, so I guess it is not JUST Obito without any additional . . . Things. And by the way i don't believe in the TWO TOBI THEORY. That would be the lamest thing ever.
Let be state some arguments why Tobi being JUST Obito would be absolutely ridiculous (I will start with the strongest arguments and will close with some smaller ones):
- Tobi obviously has to have Hashiramas Cells because he has used Izanagi and uses the Rinnegan. Where should Obito have gotten this, without help
- Tobi states that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato in the first place and this would have obviously been before OBITOS BIRTH, so either he is a big fat liar (well i lied before i give you that) or it was not OBITO but some other part of Tobi. By the way i think the Rinnegan are originally Madaras (i.e. Izunas) Eyes. This would fit because it seems logically that only SO6P and other people with both Uchiha and Senja DNA can have Rinnegan, so Nagato was no Wonder of Nature but simply got this eyes implanted somehow.
- Tobi has a massive Knowledge of so many things that happened before Obitos Birth, so I guess he can't have figured this out all by himself
- Tobi has obviously the power to grow some new Body-parts that consist of some white substance. This reminds me of Zetsus power. So something must have happened with his body. Some change, some implantation. Of course this has maybe to do with to Hashirama DNA
- Obito was a nice guy. He envied Kakashi because he loved Rin, but when he was dying he gave Kakashi his Sharingan and he was thinking of him as a Friend. Maybe he would be angry on Kakashi because Rin died. But as far as we know this happended years after Obito was crushed, so why wouldn't he have returned to Konoha by then? There is no real explanation possibility for such a change of heart.
- Many people believed he was Madara. Especially Kisame who has also seen his face. And Kisame also saw his face just a fed Months ago and was not surprissed to see the face of Obito we saw in the last chapter. So he must have seen the same face when he first met Tobi. But why should he believe him to be Madara if there is no additional explanation to his appearance that he game Kisame. Kisame was obviously not the kind of guy who believed a half-grown brat (that obito would have been back then) just to be the most powerful Uchiha of all times without any more reason. And Itachi. He also thought of Tobi as Madara. He said he was only a shade of his former self but he was immortal. So maybe there is some Madara in Tobi... this would explain it.
- Minato should have somewhat recogniced his former student when Tobi attacked the Leaf, shouldn't he. Except when Tobi would have been some completely (mind?)-changed Obito.
- It would have been to obvious, to easy to guess from the very beginning of Tobi.
- Why should Kishi reveale the whole deal in Chapter 599? There has to be something more than just Obito that gets revealed in Chapter 600.
So let me conclude with three things, that I think of as some fitting explanation for all this stuff:
- Kishi got high on some extreme hard stuff and actually it is Obito
- This is just Genjutsu to freak out Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to get advantage in the fight. And also to give all the crazy OBITO THEORY-FANS ony week of "I told you so" until they get crushed with next weeks chapter
- There is some sort of Madara- or Izuna- or Whatever- Part in Obitos Body. I know that Madara is dead. . . But so is Orochimara in some way but still there have been some parts in Kabuto and so on. . .And Kabuto said Madaras Edo Tensei was some special thing (Maybe he refered to the Hashirama Face but it was revealed that Madara hat this DNA already before his Death).
So i guess that the most logical explanation was that when Madara died he entrusted someone with his will, maybe with some part of his mind. And this part took over controll of Tobi. By the way. Madara died after Nagato was born. This can be since the first thing he says when he is summond are: "So it finally happened...Seems like that Nagato brat has really grown". So i guess Madara was somehow dying from whatever. And he hopped that Nagato, entrusted with the sharingan, would grow to get so strong with his Revival Abillity that he would bring HIM back one day. After Nagato died and saved all Konoha people he killed with this Revival jutsu, Tobi is really enraged and says something like "damn you Nagato, this was meant for me". So this also speaks for some Madara in Tobi.
So I guess the Tobi we know is some Zetsu-Modifikation of what remained of Obito's Body (Maybe still left with some surpressed Obito mind) with part of Madaras soul in him.
Feal free to respond if you agree of disagree or have some additional arguments. If i have time to read it and respond i would love to go on with the discussion.
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so anticlimactic. it should have had tobi recovering while having his face hidden the whole time and aftrer he shows his face THEN you have the flash back.
very bad chapter because of that
very bad chapter because of that
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