[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 594 Discussion and 595 Predictions

[meercy]

Madara is about to be the key to all the info we seek. he knows who tobi is. hes well aware of the plan happening too...

 

[sage1999]

there are possibly 2 peolpe who can defeat Madara. One is Hashi. The other one knows everything. It can be........Rikudo Sennin

 

[squigles]

OK, I agree with everything but the bold parts. How do you know Kagami has no motive? We know jack about him. He's appeared in, what, 4-5 panels? With all of 2 lines of dialogue. He may have studied under Hashirama and Tobirama, but doesn't say much about his character. Oro studied under Sarutobi, and look how he turned out. I'm not trying to say Tobi is Kagami, all I'm saying is there's about equal evidence to support Tobi being Kagami as there is to the contrary: none. On the other hand, there are very good reasons to believe Tobi is not Kabuto.

Edit: and yes, I realize the Kabuto remark was an exaggeration.

Because Kagami is a support character. It's a stretch to go from 'random guy in a couple panels' to 'Tobi, evil ninja bent on taking over the world.' Of all the ninja we know of, all those named within the data books and the manga, the only two that have opportunity and motive are Setsuna and Izuna. Both are listed as 'deceased' but without actually seeing their deaths within the story, it's highly probably that either one is still alive and possible that one of them could be Tobi.

I read up on something it actually points towards Obito more.

Let me spell out what others have spelled out:

1. Obito was a DEAD CHILD at the time Tobi attacked Konoha.

2. We know that Obito is dead because we saw his body get crushed by rocks, and THEN demolished by a half a dozen rock ninja. So he would have to be INVINCIBLE to not have died at that point.

3. Regardless, he was still a child when Tobi attacked Konoha.

I'm beginning Think tobi might be more of Kagame based on the fact that every one of Danzo's colleagues all wanted world peace and went after it in one form or the other.

There is no evidence of that. Every single person in that chapter goes on to be one of the village leaders, Kagami is the only one we know nothing about. Something that a lot of you are forgetting is that Tobi was directly responsible for attacking Konoha. Doing so was not an action motivated by 'world peace.'

So even if there was any merit in what you're saying, Tobi's actions are not that of someone who wants the kind of 'peace' that the leaders of Konoha wanted.

There's also a window of time around the battle between Hashirama and Madara, where SOMEONE had to be helping him. Kagami couldn't be a Konoha shinobi under the command of Tobirama AND a guy helping Madara before, during, and after.

For instance, how did Tobi have first hand knowledge of that fight? Had to be there. How did Tobi recover Madara's eyes in order to give them to Nagato? Had to be there. How did Tobi formulate a plan involving Nagato and Madara? Had to be there. This is why Kagami doesn't fit.

Izuna fits because as soon as he gave up his eyes, he had ever opportunity and motive to seek out the destruction of Konoha as well as collaborate with his own brother to formulate a plan such as 'Tsuki no Mei.' Setsuna also has motive and opportunity, but the timeline for his dissent happens during Tobirama's leadership as second hokage. He could have picked up the pieces after Madara, but everything that's happened indicates prior planning and collaboration going back to before the fight between Hashirama and Madara.

Only Izuna fits within that timeline.

 

[BottomUp]

i dont read the manga so idk

 

[lukasenko]

guys i would also like to remind you of the weird body functionality of Tobi. During his fight with konan he lost his arm completely and no blood came from it. Now, puff, he has a new arm. his body structure is somehow like a robot. Some weird laboratory shit must have happened to him .

 

[kent0005]

Prediction
i think next chapter or the one after, sasuke will learn more Uchiha secrets from orchimaru at the Uchiha hideout. Then, orchimaru find a way for him to communicate with "them," which is the uchiha clan including his parents. Sasuke revived orchimaru because he believed only orchimaru can help him talk with the dead. He learns that the Uchiha clan were killed for discovering a "secret", they wanted to use that for their clan to rule. The konoha village didnt like that so danzo and elders ordered itachi with help of tobi to kill the uchiha clan. Sasuke asks the clan about the "the one who knows everything" gathers further information to meet this person or revive this person. This is my prediction

 

[Higekage]

guys i would also like to remind you of the weird body functionality of Tobi. During his fight with konan he lost his arm completely and no blood came from it. Now, puff, he has a new arm. his body structure is somehow like a robot. Some weird laboratory shit must have happened to him .

It's Zetsu goo

 

[jonsin19]

When tobi was fighting against Killer-Bee, The 8-tails asked bee did he remeber fighting him before? He said "Bee you faught him before, dont you remember?" I forgot the exact manga where he says this. What do you guys make of that? Could tobi be someone from the original naruto episodes or from a movie?

 

[potheadsage]

Can Tobi be Shisui Uchiha:

1st - he's gone-

2nd - very strong genjutsu user, (control minds)

3rd - the end plan is a plan of lost hope, he try and failed, also the plan is not bad or good it just a Uchiha way of end all conflict.

4th they pop eyes in like skittles

two problems is A. timeline and B why itachi didn't see through him if this is in fact him.

And to add on to that C Its not Obito because of TIMELINE AGAIN!!!!
Thanks (for all the Obitoids Yes you are annoying)

 

[potheadsage]

When tobi was fighting against Killer-Bee, The 8-tails asked bee did he remeber fighting him before? He said "Bee you faught him before, dont you remember?" I forgot the exact manga where he says this. What do you guys make of that? Could tobi be someone from the original naruto episodes or from a movie?

Definately not a Movie. Kishi doesn't mix work with Vacation as far as i have seen. Case in point Utakata and how naruto met him in the vacation arc but when he fought him and the other beast then met in the telepathic conference call with all the beast it waslike they never met and became friends.

 

[vUmbrav]

Because Kagami is a support character. It's a stretch to go from 'random guy in a couple panels' to 'Tobi, evil ninja bent on taking over the world.' Of all the ninja we know of, all those named within the data books and the manga, the only two that have opportunity and motive are Setsuna and Izuna. Both are listed as 'deceased' but without actually seeing their deaths within the story, it's highly probably that either one is still alive and possible that one of them could be Tobi.



Let me spell out what others have spelled out:

1. Obito was a DEAD CHILD at the time Tobi attacked Konoha.

2. We know that Obito is dead because we saw his body get crushed by rocks, and THEN demolished by a half a dozen rock ninja. So he would have to be INVINCIBLE to not have died at that point.

3. Regardless, he was still a child when Tobi attacked Konoha.



There is no evidence of that. Every single person in that chapter goes on to be one of the village leaders, Kagami is the only one we know nothing about. Something that a lot of you are forgetting is that Tobi was directly responsible for attacking Konoha. Doing so was not an action motivated by 'world peace.'

So even if there was any merit in what you're saying, Tobi's actions are not that of someone who wants the kind of 'peace' that the leaders of Konoha wanted.

There's also a window of time around the battle between Hashirama and Madara, where SOMEONE had to be helping him. Kagami couldn't be a Konoha shinobi under the command of Tobirama AND a guy helping Madara before, during, and after.

For instance, how did Tobi have first hand knowledge of that fight? Had to be there. How did Tobi recover Madara's eyes in order to give them to Nagato? Had to be there. How did Tobi formulate a plan involving Nagato and Madara? Had to be there. This is why Kagami doesn't fit.

Izuna fits because as soon as he gave up his eyes, he had ever opportunity and motive to seek out the destruction of Konoha as well as collaborate with his own brother to formulate a plan such as 'Tsuki no Mei.' Setsuna also has motive and opportunity, but the timeline for his dissent happens during Tobirama's leadership as second hokage. He could have picked up the pieces after Madara, but everything that's happened indicates prior planning and collaboration going back to before the fight between Hashirama and Madara.

Only Izuna fits within that timeline.

For what purpose would Izuna want world peace? Plus we don't know if it's true that Izuna willingly gave up his eyes and is now working together with Madara. Itachi said that they were forcefully taken, and Tobi has been known to lie before. The whole theory of Tobi being Izuna is hinging on that one little fact.

It's not impossible that Kagami could have been there to do all those things. Remember that Kagami would have been around his late 40s early 50s (around Hiruzen's age) when Nagato was given the Rinnegan. Kagami DOES fit because he's old enough to fit. Nagato was born years AFTER Tobirama died not before. Your times are mixed up. Kagami is an old man now, just like Tobi.

"There's also a window of time around the battle between Hashirama and Madara, where SOMEONE had to be helping him" -- This is complete speculation. There is no reason to suggest that Madara had help in his fight, besides Izuna was presumed dead after he lost his eyes.

 

[Wulff]

GREAT CHAPTER!!! Also, how the f*ck does Tobi know about Kakashi and Guy?

He's from Konoha. He's an ANBU.

 

[squigles]

For what purpose would Izuna want world peace? Plus we don't know if it's true that Izuna willingly gave up his eyes and is now working together with Madara. Itachi said that they were forcefully taken, and Tobi has been known to lie before. The whole theory of Tobi being Izuna is hinging on that one little fact.

Let's assume for a second Tobi WAS Izuna. If he told Sasuke that he willingly gave his eyes to his brother and why he did it, your question then becomes trivial. We know that Itachi wasn't there when Izuna 'lost' his eyes to Madara, and we know that a lot of things Itachi told Sasuke were to instill hatred into him so he would seek more power. There are plenty of reasons to believe Tobi's account over Itachi's, especially if he were actually there (because he's Izuna).

It's not impossible that Kagami could have been there to do all those things. Remember that Kagami would have been around his late 40s early 50s (around Hiruzen's age) when Nagato was given the Rinnegan. Kagami DOES fit because he's old enough to fit. Nagato was born years AFTER Tobirama died not before. Your times are mixed up. Kagami is an old man now, just like Tobi.

"There's also a window of time around the battle between Hashirama and Madara, where SOMEONE had to be helping him" -- This is complete speculation. There is no reason to suggest that Madara had help in his fight, besides Izuna was presumed dead after he lost his eyes.

I'm not confused at all about the timeline. You have to understand that Kagami was the same age as Danzou, Hiruzen, and the elders who were on their squad. That time frame was when Tobirama was second Hokage after the battle between Madara and Hashirama took place. At the time of that Battle, Madara was clearly working with someone else to carry out some sort of plan.

After all, why would Madara just throw himself into a battle against Hashirama just to die? And yes, Izuna could have died like Tobi says, or it could have been a figurative death. With everything we know about Madara, Izuna, the Uchiha clan, and Konoha, Izuna is the one person who has the most motive and opportunity to be Tobi.

 

[immortal sage]

Was cool liked the face on guy when kurama started talking

 

[kamate]

GREAT CHAPTER!!! Also, how the f*ck does Tobi know about Kakashi and Guy?

Maybe he is Obito

Kishi is hinting Tobi is Obito

I believe so

Kishi and Kubo both trolled me this week... *slits wrists*

I Had the same feeling

 

[miky617]

Im gonna try to explain a few questions that were asked.
1.) In the final page, Tobi is holding onto the chain that holds the fan in his right hand, and in his left hand he is catching the handle of he fan.
2.) Kyuubi is not afraid of the Juubi, he is just honestly saying that he isn't as powerful. He also states that because the 8 and 9 tails are still out and about and the ten tails isnt going to be in a full perfect form, he isnt sure about the outcome, but that they will have to try and fight to find out if they stand a chance.
3.) Tobi was insulting both Gai and Kakashi. He obviously knows them well enough to know some of their character flaws. This doesnt mean that he is from Konoha, it means he understands his enemy perfectly.
4.)Tobi could not have sealed Kinkaku and Ginkaku outside of the war prior to the fighting for a few reasons. One being that the bottle was in the possession of the brothers and I doubt they would have taken kindly to being sealed in their own property. The second being that the jar was in the possession of the Raikage. They transported it onto the field of battle to defeat Kinkaku after he went tailed beast. Tobi instantly took this opportunity to invade the battlefield for the first time in the war and relieve them of the two pieces containing the brothers, and enough nine tailed chakra to summon the juubi.
5.) Tobi is not Obito, so stop saying it. Its stupid. He wasn't old enough, he wasnt wise enough, he wasnt powerful enough, he died, and maybe most importantly... he believed in doing good, not evil. He is the one that convinced Kakashi to fight for his teammates instead of deserting them. Denying these OBVIOUS facts to fantasize about some demented theory that Obito is somehow back to life and is the most powerful all knowing invincible man in the world is retarded.
6.) People keep saying that Madara created or trained Tobi. I put it to you this way. I find it more likely that Tobi trained and cultured Madara. Who told Madara and Izuna about Mangekyou? Who told Madara about Rinnengan? Chances are much more likely that Tobi predates Madara is even more powerful than him. Lets look at fact.... Tobi got hit by ameratsu and came out clean. Tobi had his arm infected by bugs and cut it off and soon after replaced it. Tobi had half his torso and an arm and some of his face blown off by Konan and healed shortly afterwards, with no residual damage. Tobi has the intimate knowledge of the Rikudou, his sons, the tailed beasts, including the juubi, the personal fight between Senju and Uchiha dating back to the origin (the sons of the sage). He has bent character after character to his will. He has masqueraded as a nitwit Akatsuki member and as the most renowned uchiha (madara) and no one has called him out on it, because they have no way to scope his power. He has time space ninjutsu and knows the workings of the Sharingan and Rinnengan intimately. He claims that the Rinnengan was "his". He only uses one rinnengan even though he has both. He uses one sharingan as well, because he knows the power of having both as a balance. Tobi has faced every single situation with no fear at all (unless he was acting like during sasuke deidara fight). He fought 8 Konoha ninjas singlehandedly and embarrassed them. He entered the secret meeting of the kages and threatened them with war. He saved Sasuke from Tsuchikages dust techniques. He purposefully used Nagato the descendant of his enemies to further his own schemes, and empowered him all with the purpose of using him. He negates his own existence by calling himself "no one". Think of all the other villians... always so desperate to pronounce their own name and power. So desperate for the recognition of their greatness. Tobi doesnt want to be recognized, he doesnt want to be feared or admired. He wants to destroy all freedom and sense of self from the world. This is a man who has planned and plotted and steered the course of the fate of the world in a direction of his choosing for DECADES, maybe even centuries! He was hit by a BALL crushing rasengan by the 4th hokage, Minato, and then stabbed in the chest by a kunai, only to retreat with a promise to return, which even Minato didn't doubt. He has penetrated and pervaded every aspect of this entire series.
If you still think that Tobi is someone as small and unimportant as Obito Uchiha, then you are a lost cause. HOPELESS.
Tobi is and can only be the elder son of the Sage of the Six Paths.
They wouldnt recognize his face or his name even if he told it to them...so whats the point? And honestly his face is so disfigured, I'm not surprised he keeps it covered, just like the rest of his body. He wears gloves and a full on cloak and mask. His skin is hidden, his name is hidden, his face is hidden, the only thing he has been completely explicit about is his desires. Which frankly he's been honest about this whole time. "I'm going to revive the Juubi and use the Infinite Tsukiyomi on the world, destroying reality as you know it" - Tobi
his response from the kage... " The what? The who? What you talkin about?"
His plans, and his power are on a higher level than anyone that we know of. I don't know how I can make it any more obvious than that. I hope that helps...

OMG.....YES.........:worshippy: You sir, must have the Rinnegan, for you can see everything. Here is the truth, ppl! Pull out ur pen and paper and take notes! I can not give you enough Rep, so instead have a :ice:

 

[squigles]

Im gonna try to explain a few questions that were asked.
1.) In the final page, Tobi is holding onto the chain that holds the fan in his right hand, and in his left hand he is catching the handle of he fan.
2.) Kyuubi is not afraid of the Juubi, he is just honestly saying that he isn't as powerful. He also states that because the 8 and 9 tails are still out and about and the ten tails isnt going to be in a full perfect form, he isnt sure about the outcome, but that they will have to try and fight to find out if they stand a chance.
3.) Tobi was insulting both Gai and Kakashi. He obviously knows them well enough to know some of their character flaws. This doesnt mean that he is from Konoha, it means he understands his enemy perfectly.
4.)Tobi could not have sealed Kinkaku and Ginkaku outside of the war prior to the fighting for a few reasons. One being that the bottle was in the possession of the brothers and I doubt they would have taken kindly to being sealed in their own property. The second being that the jar was in the possession of the Raikage. They transported it onto the field of battle to defeat Kinkaku after he went tailed beast. Tobi instantly took this opportunity to invade the battlefield for the first time in the war and relieve them of the two pieces containing the brothers, and enough nine tailed chakra to summon the juubi.
5.) Tobi is not Obito, so stop saying it. Its stupid. He wasn't old enough, he wasnt wise enough, he wasnt powerful enough, he died, and maybe most importantly... he believed in doing good, not evil. He is the one that convinced Kakashi to fight for his teammates instead of deserting them. Denying these OBVIOUS facts to fantasize about some demented theory that Obito is somehow back to life and is the most powerful all knowing invincible man in the world is retarded.
6.) People keep saying that Madara created or trained Tobi. I put it to you this way. I find it more likely that Tobi trained and cultured Madara. Who told Madara and Izuna about Mangekyou? Who told Madara about Rinnengan? Chances are much more likely that Tobi predates Madara is even more powerful than him. Lets look at fact.... Tobi got hit by ameratsu and came out clean. Tobi had his arm infected by bugs and cut it off and soon after replaced it. Tobi had half his torso and an arm and some of his face blown off by Konan and healed shortly afterwards, with no residual damage. Tobi has the intimate knowledge of the Rikudou, his sons, the tailed beasts, including the juubi, the personal fight between Senju and Uchiha dating back to the origin (the sons of the sage). He has bent character after character to his will. He has masqueraded as a nitwit Akatsuki member and as the most renowned uchiha (madara) and no one has called him out on it, because they have no way to scope his power. He has time space ninjutsu and knows the workings of the Sharingan and Rinnengan intimately. He claims that the Rinnengan was "his". He only uses one rinnengan even though he has both. He uses one sharingan as well, because he knows the power of having both as a balance. Tobi has faced every single situation with no fear at all (unless he was acting like during sasuke deidara fight). He fought 8 Konoha ninjas singlehandedly and embarrassed them. He entered the secret meeting of the kages and threatened them with war. He saved Sasuke from Tsuchikages dust techniques. He purposefully used Nagato the descendant of his enemies to further his own schemes, and empowered him all with the purpose of using him. He negates his own existence by calling himself "no one". Think of all the other villians... always so desperate to pronounce their own name and power. So desperate for the recognition of their greatness. Tobi doesnt want to be recognized, he doesnt want to be feared or admired. He wants to destroy all freedom and sense of self from the world. This is a man who has planned and plotted and steered the course of the fate of the world in a direction of his choosing for DECADES, maybe even centuries! He was hit by a BALL crushing rasengan by the 4th hokage, Minato, and then stabbed in the chest by a kunai, only to retreat with a promise to return, which even Minato didn't doubt. He has penetrated and pervaded every aspect of this entire series.
If you still think that Tobi is someone as small and unimportant as Obito Uchiha, then you are a lost cause. HOPELESS.
Tobi is and can only be the elder son of the Sage of the Six Paths.
They wouldnt recognize his face or his name even if he told it to them...so whats the point? And honestly his face is so disfigured, I'm not surprised he keeps it covered, just like the rest of his body. He wears gloves and a full on cloak and mask. His skin is hidden, his name is hidden, his face is hidden, the only thing he has been completely explicit about is his desires. Which frankly he's been honest about this whole time. "I'm going to revive the Juubi and use the Infinite Tsukiyomi on the world, destroying reality as you know it" - Tobi
his response from the kage... " The what? The who? What you talkin about?"
His plans, and his power are on a higher level than anyone that we know of. I don't know how I can make it any more obvious than that. I hope that helps...

I agree with everything you've said here, except the idea that Tobi = the elder son of the So6P. Too much time has passed for either of the sage's sons to still be alive, barring some special 'plot hole' jutsu.

It makes more sense for Tobi to be the brother of Madara. Every personality trait you pointed out about Tobi, closely aligns with the personality Madara has displayed. They are very compatible, almost brotherly.

 

[HG Swells]

Wordy chapter that could have done without repeating what we already knew.

Liked
- The Gedo mazo going crazy.
- Naruto and the Kyuubi switching places.
- The History lesson from about the Juubi.
- Tobi's reference to Gai's forgetting people's faces.
- Tobi blocking Naruto's Rasengan with his fan.

Disliked
- Naruto's speech and everyone's reactions was a little corny.

 

[IzunaUchiha2]

Awesome chapter 5/5

There are only two theories left

Obito and Kagami fits tobi

 

[lukasenko]

Awesome chapter 5/5

There are only two theories left

Obito and Kagami fits tobi

dude i could see a little of kagami theory but that you (to all obito theory fans) should be over by that guess by now. I can't see how the obito theory makes sense in any case. WTF, obito died at a young age. Its basic and we know that tobi is ancient. This fact and numerous others mentioned several times by people contradict completely this theory.

Shit if you go by Obito theory then it would be contextually right for me to even say that Rin is Tobi. Think outside the box a little. Do you really think that Kishi would do that with Obito?

In the beginning people said that because of their sharingan connection they were the same characters. Then after tobi showed his other sharingan those voices got shut. Then other stupid theories came up. I am very tired on commenting this issue and I would wish to have a ready answer sample with all the facts mentioned by everyone here in naruto base to give to every obito-theory fan.

Everyone has the right to say whatever but I could also go on and open a new freaking trend about konohamaru being tobi in reality. . . it won't make sense. So lets just be realistic.