[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions

[lion fang master]

Kishi had to take a break, the creative juices weren't there so we have to pardon him and hope next makes sense but I have this hunch that kabuto flash back pt 2 is coming. Even though I want see where this fight is going I am more interested in Naruto's next transformation, we have seen fox chakra mode, sage mode, kyubi mode and now biiju mode. I'm thinking the next one would be naruto senin of six nature paths.
He senjutsu to form sage and with kurama out of his cage, at full strength he supplies life energy then u add 6 gifts, there u have it the new & improved Naruto.
As for sasuke n itachi, something is up with itachi, sasuke might not have the experience in using his new eyes he is capable of using Susan I + he was the one who broke kabuto jutsu so what is itachi doing waiting for or is it that if izanami is Isa jutsu that decides destiny maybe itachi is going transfer shisui genjutsu and rewrite kabuto ideas to keep the leaf village safe and the first order is release the edo tensei zombies which means bye bye itachi and Edo madara, then sasuke can kill kabuto.

 

[Hyoga]

I swear... kids these days ~_~

The chapter was great, having knowledge of the antagonist's past is an excellent way to sympathize with him and understand his intentions. Expert manga writers and novelists usually do this in order to create a much more dramatic effect and make the story much more interesting. It of course was "talk no jutsu" and flashbacks, but these are important elements for the story. Kabuto's history is actually interesting, and I would like to know more about his past. The idea of becoming cynical and psychopath for no reason is not really appealing for the tastes.

People nowadays just want random actions and powers without even knowing why are they fighting or their intentions. Seriously, if you don't want a story with plot, then change to another manga, like bleach for example, which has a terrible plot line but good fights.

I find it more disappointing that people prefer action over plot, I'm feeling uneasy in what our future holds ~_~

The problem is not that chapter has flashback and character development. The problem is The flashback and character development was completely poor in quality. That is the reason why people are complaining. The story behind kabuto should have been something a lot more creative atleast different. I feel like all the villains in Naruto can be drawn to one source. War made them what they are. Pain/Kabuto/Orochimaru/Sasuke, all became tainted by an event, and became evil. Maybe people expected something different from kabuto something more profound then just re plotting the same theme AGAIN. He should have been a different type of bad guy in my opinion.

So because if this Kabuto has completely become a flawed and Boring character, just another revamp of pain/Orochimaru and everyone else who became evil because they lost someone in the war or violence of the world.

I would have made him a lot more sinister....

As for Tobi we dont know about why he is that way, and Madara because he just wants power.

 

[Raging sanin]

uhm halo.......... new guy........... i have a big question but don't know how to start a thread... so forgive please
may be spoilers

now: what about TSUNADE'S parents? i mean HASHIRAMA'S son/daughter...... why nothing said about that?

and yeah...... HASHIRAMA'S father's name is also sasuke(read where kushina met sasuke's mum just before naruto's birth)...... does this mean anything to wats happrning now?:shrug:

 

[apple pie of doom]

bump.

 

[gotacigo]

If you go back and look at every single time he's ever used Amaterasu, there are times when it causes him to bleed, and times when it doesn't. I have no idea what the difference tends to be, but I do know that against the Zetsu clones, he was using Susanoo to cast and manipulate Amaterasu, while against Kabuto, he wasn't using Susanoo at all.

That could be the difference.



This isn't the Transformer's live action movie, or another one of Micheal Bay's shitty action movies. There's actual story and plot to be told in Naruto. If you can't handle that, then you don't have to read it?



I don't think that whether or not it's 'safe' for Itachi to die, is an important factor at all. In this case, I think they were both caught by surprise with that particular technique, and Itachi is basically trying to wait for the best opportunity to use Izanami, while still trying to protect his little Bro.

It's conceivable that he fully intended to get hit in order to draw Kabuto Closer, tricking him into thinking he had the upper hand for a moment. It could be part of Izanami. I can say for sure at this point, that if it were possible for Kabuto to unsummon Itachi using Edo Tensei, he would have done so already.

It's already been shown that he can summon each soul independently with Edo Tensei (he summoned Madara long after the fighting began with all the other Edos), so it only stands to reason that he could unsummon them all independently as well.

If that's the case, why would he even bother fighting against Itachi? At this point I'm sure he's realized that Itachi is going to be a major obstacle in his plans if he doesn't do something about him now.

itachi said, that izanami decides the destiny...so it may changes kabuto's feelings and make him to decide to turn himself someway...

 

[gotacigo]

ApplyPressure, thanks for that honest assessment. I think that it is the reviews/ratings that cause it though. People come, post their thoughts on the chapter and leave. Lots of noise comes in that way and renders the discussion difficult. I have ideas on solving this that I put up in this thread. Maybe I can find another home for a discussion on a good discussion thread? Then I could launch a useful one and see if things can be worked out.

wonderer, thanks for reminding me about Anko! I hadn't forgotten her until just this chapter. Anyway, I'm curious about her because the seal holding her back/draining Orochimaru's chakra was gone the last time we saw her. I'm unsure if she'll wake up soon or help a lot though. I assume that she's very worn out/beat up, based on what we've seen. Given that, she might strike at a crucial moment. If she does, I only hope that she doesn't kill him prematurely. The most important question in that regard, if you ask me, is: Why was Kabuto collecting Orochimaru's vile chakra? It seems like both of them were after the power of nature and of the Sage of the Six Paths in some sense. I can't wait to find out!

I also have to thank you (wonderer) for bringing up the Zetsu spores. The abilitiy to copy techniques as well as chakra would make the white Zetsu's near invincible. We have seen no evidence of this ability to date. That doesn't mean that it can't happen. Still, I suspect some kind of major drawback to exist for it, even if it is possible. Usually, it would be limited to one-time use, but with the number of Zetsu clones, that doesn't even make sense. So here are my questions in that regard for everyone:
1. Can the Zetsu spores immediately copy a person after spawning a new zetsu? It seems possible since the chakra copy only needs touch, but we have no evidence.
2. Will the Zetsu spawned from spores immediately have all the information about Kabuto's plans that has been revealed or even just thought of by kabuto?
3. Will Zetsu warn Tobi or otherwise signal Tobi of Kabuto's plans if he finds a betrayal?
4. Will Tobi or black Zetsu track Kabuto down by the spores at some point, especially for suspected betrayal?
5. Will Zetsu (spawned from the spores) play any role in the battle against Kabuto at all? Will he fight with Kabuto or turn against him, especially since Kabuto is turning against the Akatsuki to some extent (growing too big for his boots)?

I'd like to point out that Black Zetsu was dying, but he was still lying on the ground and he has power over land. I wonder if he'll survive somehow, maybe even by going through the ground. Either way, I feel like we haven't seen the last of him and he'll be back to cause trouble.

Finally, I'd like to address a point brought up in Kuroi Honoo's prediction. I don't think Izanami needs to be prepared for long unless Itachi was bluffing in the previous chapter. Given how long Izanagi takes to prepare, I doubt it. Finally, Izanami might already be in effect, especially considering how Itachi's eye was closed just before he regenerated. Kabuto might have done himself in by his villain's instinct - the desire to talk! If it is not in effect, Itachi might have to prepare it again due to disintegration. I'd also like to add that being saved doesn't really downplay Sasuke's character. Of course, you are entitled to your own opinion on it. Still, I think Sasuke's chakra is being conserved while Naruto's used up for some reason. I pray to the heaven's that Naruto survives his battles!

i think that setzu will take over kabuto, but kabuto will release orochimaru, who will take over anko's body...
perhaps kabuto would change his mind, thats why Tobi makes setzu to take over his body....
what do you think?

 

[Dems]

Well it was fine until the damn Kabuto flashback. Nobody likes Kabuto goddamn............................ Just tell us what Izanami does!!

 

[squigles]

itachi said, that izanami decides the destiny...so it may changes kabuto's feelings and make him to decide to turn himself someway...

Itachi said that it's a pair with Izanagi, that they go together, and that if Izanagi changes your fate, then Izanami decides it. I don't see how anything you've just said has any bearing on what's already happened in the story.

i think that setzu will take over kabuto, but kabuto will release orochimaru, who will take over anko's body...
perhaps kabuto would change his mind, thats why Tobi makes setzu to take over his body....
what do you think?

This prediction is like if we were reading Little Red Riding Hood, and as we get to the part where she's at Grandma's House, about to give her some cookies, all of a sudden Terminator comes out of the bathroom and starts trying to kill Sarah Connor.

Events that are highly unlikely and have nothing to do with the story thus far.

 

[Uchiha Heikou]

Uchiha Heikou, I've made several posts stating that Itachi might have used Izanami and even provided reasons as to why I think so. While his post did get buried, I did read it. I chose not respond to that particular point because of the following reasons:
1. Kabuto brought the cave to life to use against Itachi, not the other way round.
2. While his theory on Izanagi, Izanami and Banbutsu Sozo are interesting, he contradicted himself in his own post as far as I can tell. I wish there was more data to back up that theory/opinion.

The theory about Zombuto makes no sense to me, unfortunately. I need it explained a bit. Plus, there is no substantial evidence that the Edo Tensei was used on people augmented with the first Hokage's cells. We don't even know where he got the subjects to use it on, since he prepared it before meeting Tobi to the best of my knowledge. It's not Senju DNA that matters, since not all of them seem to have had the Mokuton. Truly speaking, I feel like I don't even know if that is the power that the Sage Left his younger son in full. After all, he left the son his life-force. Does that include chakra, I don't know. While the next point I make isn't a good theory, the Uzumaki's with their longevity possibly have a greater portion of the Sage's life force. I'm sure this theory can be negated at least somewhat, but I have to throw it out there.

I'd hoped he'd be back, maybe see what I had to say about the topic and respond. Now that you have brought it up, I hope both of you will consider my points as well as explain that theory better. I look forward to the discussion. I'd also like to hear your thoughts about why Kabuto needs such a chakra battery or any of the related questions!

Thoughts everyone?

I re-read the chapter and realized I'd completely misinterpreted it. You're right, the cave was only muki tensei and izanami has yet to be explained.

My theory on Senju DNA being a required part of Edo Tensei is based on little evidence, namely that we know Orochimaru had been experimenting with Hashirama's cells since early in the series.

I agree with your theory about the Uzumakis, though I also think that rikudou may have been an Uzumaki himself. The fact that Naruto is half Namikaze, also could change this up a bit. There hasn't been any explanation of who Minato's clan was at all.

I don't know if Kabuto needs a chakra battery, but I believe he told tobi that his interest in anko was because orochimaru's chakra would power him up.

 

[hurricanekal]

Well i do agree that this chapter wasnt as hype as the one before however you have to understand something everyone. We dont know what Izanami is yet and it could be a pure genjutsu so no fighting like in izanagi however incorporating people discussing their past and maybe finding the enemy's weakness in that manner. For all we know the jutsu couldve started and Itachi is acting it out by getting Kabuto off guard by talking about his past and is waiting for him to slip and to take advantage.
In order to solve any problem you have to understand it; that is what happening here. In order to beat Kabuto i.e. decide his destiny you must understand his past indirectly and thats why you use talking.
I guess izanami is a talking Genjutsu something thats completely different than izanagi. It makes sense since Itachi said they form a pair so one is physical and the other is psychological. What do you guys think?

 

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-Ok it wasn't the most exciting chapter in Naruto history, but I'm really enjoying all the insights we are getting about Itachi. He totally messed up Sasuke's life. Not only does he realize it but he is actually apologizing to his brother. Finally. He has come to grips with his past life and is trying to make amends. This is probably a sign he will be sealed soon. As for Izanami, I'm expecting to see what it can do once the flashbacks are over. We may actually get more next week so prepare people.

-Sasuke doesn't need Itachi to protect him. The point is to show Itachi acting as a proper big brother by protecting his little brother.

-We all know why we are getting Kabuto flashbacks don't we? Flashbacks usually happen right before said character gets curb stomped. Seems like Kabuto will be making an exit from the manga soon. Kabuto was Orochimaru's number one, so of course he's going to get a detailed background story.

-For all you who aren't happy, instead of reading it every week read it every other week maybe.

-Enjoyed the chapter looking forward to next one.

 

[Tsunadehokage]

it's all moving way too slow. wanna know more bout izanami and how the 5 kages are doing with madara.

 

[paul234]

Whatever kishi does is basically up to him if he continues showing sasuke as weak or itachi as caring or kabuto as someone searching for a purpose its all up to him anyway I had a thought regarding the if the sage of the six paths had both the rennigan and sherinnagn and I think he did why I say this Is cos if u look at the pic were tobi talked about him defeating the jubi, the jubi's eye is both rennigan and sherigan and I am assuming that maybe that was actually a reflection of the sage's eyes like with tobi and the kuybi or sasuke and manda this would explain why kabuto picked madara ahead of nagato as the one closer to the sage.what do u guys think

 

[naruto005]

Whatever kishi does is basically up to him if he continues showing sasuke as weak or itachi as caring or kabuto as someone searching for a purpose its all up to him anyway I had a thought regarding the if the sage of the six paths had both the rennigan and sherinnagn and I think he did why I say this Is cos if u look at the pic were tobi talked about him defeating the jubi, the jubi's eye is both rennigan and sherigan and I am assuming that maybe that was actually a reflection of the sage's eyes like with tobi and the kuybi or sasuke and manda this would explain why kabuto picked madara ahead of nagato as the one closer to the sage.what do u guys think

i agree that might be it.

 

[squigles]

My theory on Senju DNA being a required part of Edo Tensei is based on little evidence, namely that we know Orochimaru had been experimenting with Hashirama's cells since early in the series.

I don't think Hashirama's DNA has anything to do with Edo Tensei. It's a technique that was created by Tobirama Senju, and perfected by Orochimaru. Orochimaru was Sarutobi's student, and by the time Orochimaru was old enough to be called a Sanin, he had been experimenting on the children of Konoha who had come up missing.

Yamato is said to be the only child who survived the experimentation, and as a result he's the only character that is able to use the wood element release. It's very likely that Zetsu is ALSO a product of Orochimaru's experiments.

One of the things that throws me off about this story when I think about those things, is that Orochimaru was likely around at the time when Madara died, and Tobi is also likely an experiment of Orochimaru.

But I think that when people are talking about specific techniques being possible because of Hashirama's DNA, I think that's just over thinking things a lot too much.

 

[itachi49]

I hope a return of Naruto / Bee / Kakashi / Gai Vs Tobi.

Although I'm pretty sure we will return to this fight when the Edo Tensei fall, with a Tobi who no longer understand what is happening.

Please no more than 2-3 pages to end Kabuto's flashback...

 

[uhIpooped]

I don't think Hashirama's DNA has anything to do with Edo Tensei. It's a technique that was created by Tobirama Senju, and perfected by Orochimaru. Orochimaru was Sarutobi's student, and by the time Orochimaru was old enough to be called a Sanin, he had been experimenting on the children of Konoha who had come up missing.

Yamato is said to be the only child who survived the experimentation, and as a result he's the only character that is able to use the wood element release. It's very likely that Zetsu is ALSO a product of Orochimaru's experiments.

One of the things that throws me off about this story when I think about those things, is that Orochimaru was likely around at the time when Madara died, and Tobi is also likely an experiment of Orochimaru.

But I think that when people are talking about specific techniques being possible because of Hashirama's DNA, I think that's just over thinking things a lot too much.

I bolded those parts...
Thats what ive been saying all along...

Madara fighting the hokages used a tech, which i think tsu-naughty bigjuggs said it was from the flower world or something like that..

Zetsu is more flowery than wood like, so it would be safe to assume that he is or was also an experiment by Oro. Made of this flower world, which explains the pollen/spores ... Not confirmed.. but likely..

Why would Oro simply stop and only use Hasi's DNA in his experiments? He always coveted the Uchiha eyes so why not try and clone some too?
Tobi very well may be an Uchiha clone.

 

[BakaNoJutsu]

This chapter was a bit of a let down, but it was nice putting some character into Kabuto. Kishi needed to put some development into him, but Tobi needs some of that too. THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME! ! ! !

 

[Shotoetoe]

Oh come on, why all the whining about getting to know Kabuto. Isn't it painfully obvious that this background info is actually what Itachi needs?

I mean he's not just stalling for time, he's talking into Kabuto to learn more of his past. If Izanami is a technique that changes destiny, it might very well be able to erase a point in the past of Kabuto which could alter his personality drastically.

And even if it has nothing to do with that, it's still nice to have some background at least.

 

[Jayaraman MinatoItachi]

I think izanami fails