It is absurd to think Tobi would be Obito, he might have a similar but far more advanced technique than Kakashi. Remember the eyes are capable of wide range of techniques depending upon the strength of the user. The following just don't add up. one is Obito is never portrayed as a evil character (Certainly not trying to take over the world). Second, Obito second eye is crushed and wont come back no matter what everyone believes it to be. Third, Tobi would have gone blind by now if he is Obito, as far as i know has no brother that he needs to steal eyes from. Fourth, where did Obito learn to transplant eyes as well as Tobi does , certainly he did not go to medical school? Fifth, There is no way Obito identified madara as he is too young for that when he was shown the coffin.I know but we will see. I think it's not that absurd as many user says.
Perhaps Tobi obtained Obitos body later after the fight with Minato. From that what we see, for me, he looks like a grown-up Obito.
we dont know how old kakashi was... could have been 16,17...I know but we will see. I think it's not that absurd as many user says.
Perhaps Tobi obtained Obitos body later after the fight with Minato. From that what we see, for me, he looks like a grown-up Obito.
Haha the facts at the beginning are more the less ridicilousIt is absurd to think Tobi would be Obito, he might have a similar but far more advanced technique than Kakashi. Remember the eyes are capable of wide range of techniques depending upon the strength of the user. The following just don't add up. one is Obito is never portrayed as a evil character (Certainly not trying to take over the world). Second, Obito second eye is crushed and wont come back no matter what everyone believes it to be. Third, Tobi would have gone blind by now if he is Obito, as far as i know has no brother that he needs to steal eyes from. Fourth, where did Obito learn to transplant eyes as well as Tobi does , certainly he did not go to medical school? Fifth, There is no way Obito identified madara as he is too young for that when he was shown the coffin.
The person I think behind all of this is Izuna Uchiha. I will list the reasons. 1. It is only mentioned that he died fighting the odds, an unknown warrior death. 2. He is not fighting along with his resurrected brother (considering he is of similar caliber and strangely the death technique somehow restores the eyes). 3. He gave his eyes willingly to his brother, so he probably knows a lot about transferring the eyes. 4. He knows how his brother looks like (bingo) 5. probably madara died after the fight with the first hokage, Izuna took the eyes from the grave (as you can notice, grave robbing seems to be his specialty). 6. the rational behind "I am is nobody" when he realized madara has risen is that despite in the naruto universe, Elder brothers are usually suppressed by the younger ones in talent, he is the only one who remained a shadow before his brother's greater fame. a perfect case for identity theft.
Here is what i think, Izuna did not die in any battle. He was probably disgraced for collecting uchicha eyes to supplement his own, thus got banished from the clan. His eyes are probably not as powerful or useful as they are stolen from different people that are not compatible. If he is banished then it explains why he got his revenge + stashes of eyes afterwards by the massacre of the same group his brother helped build using Itachi who probably misidentified him as madara from the eyes (Itachi also rigged sasuke sharigan to identify by eyes, not by face). I am guessing he is not as powerful as madara, so he uses manipulation as a way to get what he wants. I am assuming he has something much larger in his sleeve....
Sasuke at the beginning too xDone is Obito is never portrayed as a evil character (Certainly not trying to take over the world).
LoL Kakashis eye was also destroyed and he got new one xDObito second eye is crushed and wont come back no matter what everyone believes it to be.
Thats true but if Tobi can transplant eyes it is senseless to mention this.Tobi would have gone blind by now if he is Obito, as far as i know has no brother that he needs to steal eyes from.
LoL and where did Tobi? Hahaha this is the bestFourth, where did Obito learn to transplant eyes as well as Tobi does
Even Naruto would identify Madara xDFifth, There is no way Obito identified madara as he is too young for that when he was shown the coffin.
The Tobi thread is closed, so I am going to put my 2 cents here. I believe that Tobi will be revealed as Obito. If not then its probably Izuna with Obito's recovered eye. I was watching a past episode of shippudden....the one where Sakura tried to kill Sasuke only to be saved by Naruto(the one where Sasuke takes the knife and Naruto gets a poisonous scratch on the cheek). If you guys can recall...after all the boring reminiscing that Naruto does, Kekashi is about to fight Tobi with his new "black hole jutsu" when Tobi stops him and says "stop because that will not work on me!!" Now lets think for a second....Tobi can instant teleport and his teleportation from his eye has the same animation as Kekashi's new eye jutsu. Kekashi's eye came from Obito therefore his eyes powers will have no effect on Tobi who may or may not have the other eye that was supposedly crushed or simply the same DNA. Both sharigan's from Tobi and Kekashi have matured to almost the same levels. Kekashi can copy most jutsu's and so can Madara who has a wide range of techniques with his eye. Tobi has also been seen to replace body parts like when he took Danzo's arm to replace his own. If half Obito's body was crushed, then maybe Orochimaru recovered his body and taught him how to replace body parts. Kabuto has taken over Orochimaru's experiments and obviously all his notes....that explains how he knew that Tobi is not the real madara and ressurected edo madara. Things are not going according to plan as per edo Madara but remember that there are secret writing by the sage that only high level Uchiha can read. Maybe the master plan is in those writings. Just a theory but I think a strong one.
humm good point. I wonder why Tobi was so relax at Kabuto's summoning. Tobi wasn't in fear he said that beating him would only weaken him. He knew Madara and whas surprised to see the edo version. He probably never found him himself. I don't know who Tobi might be, some Obito theories are plausible the same goes for yours. Maybe he is a unknow imortal shinobi or something.It is absurd to think Tobi would be Obito, he might have a similar but far more advanced technique than Kakashi. Remember the eyes are capable of wide range of techniques depending upon the strength of the user. The following just don't add up. one is Obito is never portrayed as a evil character (Certainly not trying to take over the world). Second, Obito second eye is crushed and wont come back no matter what everyone believes it to be. Third, Tobi would have gone blind by now if he is Obito, as far as i know has no brother that he needs to steal eyes from. Fourth, where did Obito learn to transplant eyes as well as Tobi does , certainly he did not go to medical school? Fifth, There is no way Obito identified madara as he is too young for that when he was shown the coffin.
The person I think behind all of this is Izuna Uchiha. I will list the reasons. 1. It is only mentioned that he died fighting the odds, an unknown warrior death. 2. He is not fighting along with his resurrected brother (considering he is of similar caliber and strangely the death technique somehow restores the eyes). 3. He gave his eyes willingly to his brother, so he probably knows a lot about transferring the eyes. 4. He knows how his brother looks like (bingo) 5. probably madara died after the fight with the first hokage, Izuna took the eyes from the grave (as you can notice, grave robbing seems to be his specialty). 6. the rational behind "I am is nobody" when he realized madara has risen is that despite in the naruto universe, Elder brothers are usually suppressed by the younger ones in talent, he is the only one who remained a shadow before his brother's greater fame. a perfect case for identity theft.
Here is what i think, Izuna did not die in any battle. He was probably disgraced for collecting uchicha eyes to supplement his own, thus got banished from the clan. His eyes are probably not as powerful or useful as they are stolen from different people that are not compatible. If he is banished then it explains why he got his revenge + stashes of eyes afterwards by the massacre of the same group his brother helped build using Itachi who probably misidentified him as madara from the eyes (Itachi also rigged sasuke sharigan to identify by eyes, not by face). I am guessing he is not as powerful as madara, so he uses manipulation as a way to get what he wants. I am assuming he has something much larger in his sleeve....
Because it's not the same guy. That's aslo the reason why Kyuubi is so relaxed but the Jinchuurikis are strong so this might be different next chapterhumm good point. I wonder why Tobi was so relax at Kabuto's summoning. Tobi wasn't in fear he said that beating him would only weaken him. He knew Madara and whas surprised to see the edo version. He probably never found him himself. I don't know who Tobi might be, some Obito theories are plausible the same goes for yours. Maybe he is a unknow imortal shinobi or something.
What i have been thinking is this: When naruto was facing Madara for the first time (his clone) the 9tails said he knew that chakra it was the real Madara. When naruto and tobi collied and fought the 9tails didn't notice or said something. So i couldn't be someone who tried to use him before because he would recognized him. Why didn't he notice the chakra if it was the same guy who fought Minato?
So what you are saying is that Minato fought the REAL Madara back then? How come he has the same teleportation jutsu as Tobi? Minato wasn't sure that man was Madara the only thing he whas sure is that that man will come back and be a menace to the world. If that is not the same man then someone else stole the original plan / idea from that guy who fought Minato.Because it's not the same guy. That's aslo the reason why Kyuubi is so relaxed but the Jinchuurikis are strong so this might be different next chapter
I mean the Tobi we know now could never controll Kyuubi. Not even in 1000 years.
Did I ever said it was real Madara in this comment before?So what you are saying is that Minato fought the REAL Madara back then? How come he has the same teleportation jutsu as Tobi? Minato wasn't sure that man was Madara the only thing he whas sure is that that man will come back and be a menace to the world. If that is not the same man then someone else stole the original plan / idea from that guy who fought Minato.
I would hate Kishi if this would be the throught. From the bottom of my heart...Kushina was wanted because she had a special chakra that was very strong and had life force and by being from uzumaki clan she knew a lot of sealing jutsus, that's it. About the chakra chain, since she said she will drag the fox inside and die with it, it's clear to me that the chakra chain is part of a sealing jutsu but like I have said before reningan user is pretty much capable of any jutsu so to me its no surprise that tobi is doing it.
All along my choice of who tobi is has been izuna just because they are brothers but now with all this uzumaki talk I am starting think is he real nagato.
When is the next chapter coming out?..Sweet can't wait 4 2days own
To to part where you said Sasuke at the beginning tooHaha the facts at the beginning are more the less ridicilous
Sasuke at the beginning too xD
LoL Kakashis eye was also destroyed and he got new one xD
Thats true but if Tobi can transplant eyes it is senseless to mention this.
And maybe there is still a secret behind Sharingan we don't know
LoL and where did Tobi? Hahaha this is the best
Even Naruto would identify Madara xD
And Tobi used Madaras Name on purpose, so by reading something about the history and keep an eye on that big fat statue on the waterfall (where Naruto fought Sasuke) he could identify Madara xD
Your Izuna Theory:
Its true he gave Madara his eyes, but in every flashback you see that Madara pulled his eyes. There was no special skill behind and now you think after Izuna lost both eyes he managed to implant Madara his own eyes?
We also never saw if Obito really died. A few month ago everyone thought Madara died direct after the fight against Hokage.
I don't know about the stolen eyes theory. if I am right Madara should have obtain rinnegan before his death, so why Tobi doesn't have Rinnegan? And if your theory would be true, why does Madara know Nagato???
I don't wanna say Tobi is Obito, but your theory is incomplete![]()
But before this Sasuke was a lovely brat xDTo to part where you said Sasuke at the beginning too
Sasuke had revenge set on mind from the very beginning since the Uchiha massacre. Obito had no vendetta against anyone, in fact he is responsible for the change in Kakashi to make him a better Ninja (not giving Kakashi the Sharingan but Kakashi new Ninja way)
True but what would Obito want revenge for? to me Tobi is an unknown character we know of or Izuna or some Zetsu clone of Madara.But before this Sasuke was a lovely brat xD
But why I mentioned this: Revenge and whatelse reasons can change everyone in this mange to evil so this is just funny theory![]()
When is the next chapter coming out?..![]()