[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

[Zodd the Immortal]

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to quote you... WRONG WRONG WRONG....

He is not talking about Tobi, he is talking about one of 2 people when refering to him...
1. Orochimaru - maybe he knew him, highly likely considering he apparently knew nagato.
2. Tobirama - he was the inventor of the Impure World Resurection and deffinately alive at this time.

so either Tobi is one of those two and we are both right..... or, you are wrong lol

Lmao....Tobi can't be either are you serious??!?! You are seriously out of your gourd. You can't possibly back that up with any posts or images?

When will you people stop claiming and start proving. Omningan makes this so clear and yet...you still want to believe whatever you think is right....


Let me guess, you were the same fanboys who thought Naruto would get a sharingan from Itachi? Probably....I swear people just want a show to be their creation as opposed to seeing it for what it really is....



1. Orochimaru can't be the one behind the mask. Makes NO sense what-so-ever! Their motives are not similar. Not to mention, um hello....sealed away by Itachi....does anyone remember that sword that Itachi had during his battle with Sasuke. He purposely made the attempt to draw out Orochimaru to seal him from his brother.

2. The second Hokage? REALLY!!!??? he's the one against Konoha? The brother of the first hokage who fought Madara? So you mean to tell me he didn't sacrifice his life for Hiruzen Sarutobi to become the third hokage but only to pretend to die to come back with this ultimate plan?

You have nothing to provide your argument accurately.

 

[sVPunisher]

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I'm kinda more interested in these two arguing than the manga. I agree with Omningan though, makes a lot of sense. The whole zetsu, half madara thing seems pretty off. The 4th couldn't be resurrected because his entire soul didn't remain, so how could Madara be if tobi has his soul?

 

[bigmoose21]

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Lmao....Tobi can't be either are you serious??!?! You are seriously out of your gourd. You can't possibly back that up with any posts or images?

When will you people stop claiming and start proving. Omningan makes this so clear and yet...you still want to believe whatever you think is right....


Let me guess, you were the same fanboys who thought Naruto would get a sharingan from Itachi? Probably....I swear people just want a show to be their creation as opposed to seeing it for what it really is....



1. Orochimaru can't be the one behind the mask. Makes NO sense what-so-ever! How could someone be two places at the same time? Not to mention, um hello....sealed away by Itachi....does anyone remember that sword that Itachi had during his battle with Sasuke. He purposely made the attempt to draw out Orochimaru to seal him from his brother.

2. The second Hokage? REALLY!!!??? he's the one against Konoha? The brother of the first hokage who fought Madara? So you mean to tell me he didn't sacrifice his life for Hiruzen Sarutobi to become the third hokage but only to pretend to die to come back with this ultimate plan?

You have nothing to provide your argument accurately.

i didnt say either of those two were the man behind the mask dipsh** i said that Kabuto was refering to one of those two when he said that he was "His assistant" and when Madara said something about it being "His plan". so dont mis quote me by thinking i was talking about Tobi being either of those two. all i am saying is that Kabuto is not saying he is "Tobis assistant" like the last dude was saying. Damn dude read what i said before you start trying to flame.

 

[Omningan]

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to quote you... WRONG WRONG WRONG....

He is not talking about Tobi, he is talking about one of 2 people when refering to him...
1. Orochimaru - maybe he knew him, highly likely considering he apparently knew nagato.
2. Tobirama - he was the inventor of the Impure World Resurection and deffinately alive at this time.

so either Tobi is one of those two and we are both right..... or, you are wrong lol

So let me get this right...
Youre saying that Madara Uchiha made a plan with Orochimaru?
Or with Tobirama?
Tobirama sacrificed himself for his fellow Konoha ninjas, he is not the type to plan this evil crap. Not only that, his brother was arch enemies with Madara...so thats a negative...sorry.

Orochimaru had his own plan not a joint plan, and his plan was not this elaborate...he is not orchestrating this war, Tobi is.
Edo-Madara is referring to Tobi. Tobi is the architect of this plan.
That is obvious, and its obvious who Edo Madara was referring to...Tobi.

Also, Kabuto is no one's assistant, IMO, but he would lie to Edo-Madara for sure. The only person you could consider Kabuto assistant to is Tobi, and I don't even believe he is that, he has his own agenda, and is just playing whatever side he needs to for his own goals, just like Orochimaru did.

So sorry, but your post is BUSTED. :flaw:

i didnt say either of those two were the man behind the mask dipsh** i said that Kabuto was refering to one of those two when he said that he was "His assistant" and when Madara said something about it being "His plan". so dont mis quote me by thinking i was talking about Tobi being either of those two. all i am saying is that Kabuto is not saying he is "Tobis assistant" like the last dude was saying. Damn dude read what i said before you start trying to flame.

They were BOTH referring to Tobi. That much is obvious. If you don't think so, you need to go read it again more slowly this time. I know the pictures are pretty, but try looking at the words.

@ KnowledgeGod
You are wrong about the Byakugan user...
He saw White Zetsu in the room, he would've gotten a chakra signature off of him. If he saw the same thing in Tobi, he would have mentioned it.
The fact is, Oonoki thought Tobi was Madara because Tobi is a VERY convincing Madara, similar in many aspects. Just like a brother...
Even now after all the info they have gathered....
The very first page of this episode...

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"I can't think of anyone it might be." -Oonoki
Why can't he think of anyone it might be?

Ockham's Razor - the Simplest and Most Likely Answer, Is Usually the Correct One. Izuna is the most likely culprit. He had the motive and power. He would be the most capable of pretending to be Madara, his brother. He would not be among the list of suspects because he is rumored deceased and blind.
You are digging WAY too deep for an answer here.

Commonsense!

 

[Zodd the Immortal]

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i didnt say either of those two were the man behind the mask dipsh** i said that Kabuto was refering to one of those two when he said that he was "His assistant" and when Madara said something about it being "His plan". so dont mis quote me by thinking i was talking about Tobi being either of those two. all i am saying is that Kabuto is not saying he is "Tobis assistant" like the last dude was saying. Damn dude read what i said before you start trying to flame.

Be more clear...and swearing suggests an immature age. No reason to argue with a child. Also, the person he was referring to is STILL not those two...

Garbage posts from trash....quite fitting honestly.

Now don't bother quoting me. I'm not responding to your childish notions and anger. If you can't speak without swearing than you aren't worth the conversation.

Enjoy your lesson tomorrow.

 

[bigmoose21]

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Be more clear...and swearing suggests an immature age. No reason to argue with a child. Also, the person he was referring to is STILL not those two...

Garbage posts from trash....quite fitting honestly.

Now don't bother quoting me. I'm not responding to your childish notions and anger. If you can't speak without swearing than you aren't worth the conversation.

Enjoy your lesson tomorrow.

so swearing shows imaturity, but jumping to conclusions, and bashing someones opinion on something even though you have no facts to go with your own theories just because they have a difference of oppinion is not?

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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So let me get this right...
Youre saying that Madara Uchiha made a plan with Orochimaru?
Or with Tobirama?
Tobirama sacrificed himself for his fellow Konoha ninjas, he is not the type to plan this evil crap. Not only that, his brother was arch enemies with Madara...so thats a negative...sorry.

Orochimaru had his own plan not a joint plan, and his plan was not this elaborate...he is not orchestrating this war, Tobi is.
Edo-Madara is referring to Tobi. Tobi is the architect of this plan.
That is obvious, and its obvious who Edo Madara was referring to...Tobi.

Also, Kabuto is no one's assistant, IMO, but he would lie to Edo-Madara for sure. The only person you could consider Kabuto assistant to is Tobi, and I don't even believe he is that, he has his own agenda, and is just playing whatever side he needs to for his own goals, just like Orochimaru did.

So sorry, but your post is BUSTED. :flaw:

@ KnowledgeGod

You are wrong about the Byakugan user...
He saw White Zetsu in the room, he would've gotten a chakra signature off of him. If he saw the same thing in Tobi, he would have mentioned it.
The fact is, Oonoki thought Tobi was Madara because Tobi is a VERY convincing Madara, similar in many aspects. Just like a brother...
Even now after all the info they have gathered....
The very first page of this episode...

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"I can't think of anyone it might be." -Oonoki
Why can't he think of anyone it might be?

Ockham's Razor - the Simplest and Most Likely Answer, Is Usually the Correct One. Izuna is the most likely culprit. He had the motive and power. He would be the most capable of pretending to be Madara, his brother. He would not be among the list of suspects because he is rumored deceased and blind.
You are digging WAY too deep for an answer here.

Commonsense!

Yes indeed the Byakugan user seen White Zestu in the room but he didnt have anybody elses chakra pattern he was just a normal clone....logic! lol

 

[bigmoose21]

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So let me get this right...
Youre saying that Madara Uchiha made a plan with Orochimaru?
Or with Tobirama?
Tobirama sacrificed himself for his fellow Konoha ninjas, he is not the type to plan this evil crap. Not only that, his brother was arch enemies with Madara...so thats a negative...sorry.

Orochimaru had his own plan not a joint plan, and his plan was not this elaborate...he is not orchestrating this war, Tobi is.
Edo-Madara is referring to Tobi. Tobi is the architect of this plan.
That is obvious, and its obvious who Edo Madara was referring to...Tobi.

Also, Kabuto is no one's assistant, IMO, but he would lie to Edo-Madara for sure. The only person you could consider Kabuto assistant to is Tobi, and I don't even believe he is that, he has his own agenda, and is just playing whatever side he needs to for his own goals, just like Orochimaru did.

So sorry, but your post is BUSTED. :flaw:



They were BOTH referring to Tobi. That much is obvious. If you don't think so, you need to go read it again more slowly this time. I know the pictures are pretty, but try looking at the words.

@ KnowledgeGod
You are wrong about the Byakugan user...
He saw White Zetsu in the room, he would've gotten a chakra signature off of him. If he saw the same thing in Tobi, he would have mentioned it.
The fact is, Oonoki thought Tobi was Madara because Tobi is a VERY convincing Madara, similar in many aspects. Just like a brother...
Even now after all the info they have gathered....
The very first page of this episode...

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"I can't think of anyone it might be." -Oonoki
Why can't he think of anyone it might be?

Ockham's Razor - the Simplest and Most Likely Answer, Is Usually the Correct One. Izuna is the most likely culprit. He had the motive and power. He would be the most capable of pretending to be Madara, his brother. He would not be among the list of suspects because he is rumored deceased and blind.
You are digging WAY too deep for an answer here.

Commonsense!

how do you know that Tobirama did died protecting his team? what if that was all part of his plan? you are basing your decision on one little snipit of the manga. with KISHI you never know what is going to happen. Just like we do not know if Madara (real one) is evil or not. hell alot of people thought Itachi was bad for the longest time. You just never know. all i am saying is that Kabuto was not refering to himself as Tobis assistant.

think of the following if what you are saying is true about kabuto saying he is Tobi's assistant.

1. Kabuto forces Tobi to work with him
2. Tobi doesnt even know what Edo Tensei is at first Kabuto explains it to him
3. Madara pops up and says something about it being "His Plan" etcc....

so if Tobi didnt know about Edo Tensei, then how would Madara be refering to him. He wouldnt, he would be talking about someone who knew how to use Edo Tensei which leaves the Two people i quoted above. this is my so called evidence... but like i said, evidence means nothing in KISHI's world

 

[Omningan]

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Yes indeed the Byakugan user seen White Zestu in the room but he didnt have anybody elses chakra pattern he was just a normal clone....logic! lol

OMG YOU ARE SO BAD!
DUDE!!

Here it proves that his chakras were evident!

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"these chakras" -karin regarding white zetsu's jutsu.

and here it proves that White and Black Zetsu are the same entity, even if they do have seperate bodies or personalities...

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"I cant believe no one noticed MY hoshi no jutsu" -Black Zetsu regarding White Zetsu's jutsu. He said MY. Not OUR. Or HIS.
read my lips... "MY"

Stop posting CRAP!
Its pissing me off!

 

[Omningan]

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how do you know that Tobirama did died protecting his team? what if that was all part of his plan? you are basing your decision on one little snipit of the manga. with KISHI you never know what is going to happen. Just like we do not know if Madara (real one) is evil or not. hell alot of people thought Itachi was bad for the longest time. You just never know. all i am saying is that Kabuto was not refering to himself as Tobis assistant.

think of the following if what you are saying is true about kabuto saying he is Tobi's assistant.

1. Kabuto forces Tobi to work with him
2. Tobi doesnt even know what Edo Tensei is at first Kabuto explains it to him
3. Madara pops up and says something about it being "His Plan" etcc....

so if Tobi didnt know about Edo Tensei, then how would Madara be refering to him. He wouldnt, he would be talking about someone who knew how to use Edo Tensei which leaves the Two people i quoted above. this is my so called evidence... but like i said, evidence means nothing in KISHI's world

oh I see where you are mistaken.
Edo madara was not referring to the Impure world resurrection dude, he was referring to the war... "the plan"
does that help?

and both Tobi and Edo-Madara BOTH knew ABOUT Edo Tensei...
Tobi just didnt know HOW it was done or how to stop it.
Thats different than knowing ABOUT it...

And tobirama was a hokage...
you are the dipshit if you think an inheritor of the will of fire and the brother of Hashirama could be an evil person.
He was a cool, calm, collected leader who sacrificed himself for his team.
That is not the kind of man who would do this...

oh and YES kabuto was saying he is Tobi's assistant.
it behooves him to lead Edo Madara to believe that he is apart of Tobi's plan.
both pronouns were used simultaneously on the same page, by both characters, to refer to the same individual...are you understanding me?

 

[bigmoose21]

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oh I see where you are mistaken.
Edo madara was not referring to the Impure world resurrection dude, he was referring to the war... "the plan"
does that help?

and both Tobi and Edo-Madara BOTH knew ABOUT Edo Tensei...
Tobi just didnt know HOW it was done or how to stop it.
Thats different than knowing ABOUT it...

And tobirama was a hokage...
you are the dipshit if you think an inheritor of the will of fire and the brother of Hashirama could be an evil person.
He was a cool, calm, collected leader who sacrificed himself for his team.
That is not the kind of man who would do this...

oh and YES kabuto was saying he is Tobi's assistant.
it behooves him to lead Edo Madara to believe that he is apart of Tobi's plan.
both pronouns were used simultaneously on the same page, by both characters, to refer to the same individual...are you understanding me?

You are mistaken as well then.

i never said i believe that the 2nd Hokage was evil. i just said that the Edo tensei "as far as we know" can be done by 3 people

Tobirama
Kabuto
Orochimaru

thats all i am saying.

remember, we dont even know if the real Madara was evil 100%. i mean Kabuto is controlling him, so maybee he cared about Konoha just as much as the Hokages, he just didnt like the Hokages themselves.

all i am trying to say, is that anything is possible, so dont try and bash someones thoughts by saying that they dont have any facts to back it up, when you yourself dont have any facts as well. you are basing your theory off of your Interpretation of the manga. not factual knowledge. mainly because in Narutoverse there is no such thing as Factual knowledge.

 

[Omningan]

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You are mistaken as well then.

i never said i believe that the 2nd Hokage was evil. i just said that the Edo tensei "as far as we know" can be done by 3 people

Tobirama
Kabuto
Orochimaru

thats all i am saying.

remember, we dont even know if the real Madara was evil 100%. i mean Kabuto is controlling him, so maybee he cared about Konoha just as much as the Hokages, he just didnt like the Hokages themselves.

all i am trying to say, is that anything is possible, so dont try and bash someones thoughts by saying that they dont have any facts to back it up, when you yourself dont have any facts as well. you are basing your theory off of your Interpretation of the manga. not factual knowledge. mainly because in Narutoverse there is no such thing as Factual knowledge.

That may take the cake as the dumbest post ever.
I say we all just stop posting and close this thread with that zinger.
I think all our IQ's just went down from reading that BS.
I've posted references and made compelling arguements.
All youve done is argue over and over your obvious misunderstanding of the topic and conversation. How about you stop posting and leave the discussion to the big boys, huh?

You ever seen Tobirama do the edo tensei?
Hmmm.... so how do you KNOW he can do it?
Whereas we have SEEN Kabuto and Orochimaru perform it...
If that isn't fact, than I dont know what the hell is.

And no, not anything is possible.
Its not possible for you to post something WORTH reading.

 

[KnowledgeGod]

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OMG YOU ARE SO BAD!
DUDE!!

Here it proves that his chakras were evident!

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"these chakras" -karin regarding white zetsu's jutsu.

and here it proves that White and Black Zetsu are the same entity, even if they do have seperate bodies or personalities...

You must be registered for see links

"I cant believe no one noticed MY hoshi no jutsu" -Black Zetsu regarding White Zetsu's jutsu. He said MY. Not OUR. Or HIS.
read my lips... "MY"

Stop posting CRAP!
Its pissing me off!

Just quote me when the truth is revealed...geesh! let just make that wager!

I bet you that Tobi is'nt Izuna, Obito, Kagami,SO6P or anybody other character.

I double my bet that Tobi is in fact.

1/2 White Zetsu, Madara's original corpse, and 1/2 Black Zestu as a combination.

I triple bet you that Black Zestu wasnt created by any character other then SO6P's and that Black Zestu as a whole meaning both Black 1/2's combine derived from The Juubi.....logic


Everybody on NarutoBase remember this post quote me on it!!!!!!

 

[immortal sage]

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Who says Uzumakis were decendents of Senju clan??

Uzumakis were from the Whirlpool land near the land of water. During the war the Uzumaki's helped the leaf village. So Hasirama married an Uzumaki. This is why the leaf village has a spiral on their uniforms (whirlpool land's symbol was a spiral) Considering their chakra, he had found the perfect vessel for the 9-tails. So 1st hokage's wife was the 1st jinchuriki of 9tails. When she was old the seal was loosening. So there was a need for another vessel for the 9tails. Therefore Kushina was called from the whirlpool land to be the next jinchuriki.

Nagato was an uzumaki, not a decendent of senju.

you should seriosliy conseder looking into your info becouse it accualy dose state in the manga that the uzimaki are sowut relaited to senju like beakugan and sharingan for example so they are dessendents of senju

[if you can't read some of this it's probobly due to my bad spelling]. :shrug:

 

[bigmoose21]

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That may take the cake as the dumbest post ever.
I say we all just stop posting and close this thread with that zinger.
I think all our IQ's just went down from reading that BS.
I've posted references and made compelling arguements.
All youve done is argue over and over your obvious misunderstanding of the topic and conversation. How about you stop posting and leave the discussion to the big boys, huh?

You ever seen Tobirama do the edo tensei?
Hmmm.... so how do you KNOW he can do it?
Whereas we have SEEN Kabuto and Orochimaru perform it...
If that isn't fact, than I dont know what the hell is.

And no, not anything is possible.
Its not possible for you to post something WORTH reading.

WTF are you talking about. You did not post anything but pieces of info, that you then follow with your interpretation. and No i have never seen Tobirama do edo tensei but he has been credited with being the creator on different ocasions.

and no, i dont think you made compelling arguements.... i think you presented your oppinion and i am free to disagree...

i am sorry i am not nuthuggin on your stupidity, but you are the one who can not see the facts....

TOBI can not do EDO TENSEI from what we have seen, yet you seem to think that he planned all of this and that Madara knew about it....

if TOBI could do it, then why didnt he do it in the first place? why did he need Kabuto?

i dont need all these damn links, and pictures, because fact is i am just raising simple questions that you cant even answer will all your fancy "LINKS AND SH**" because again it is just your opinion not fact.

 

[Omningan]

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Just quote me when the truth is revealed...geesh! let just make that wager!

I bet you that Tobi is'nt Izuna, Obito, Kagami,SO6P or anybody other character.

I double my bet that Tobi is in fact.

1/2 White Zetsu, Madara's original corpse, and 1/2 Black Zestu as a combination.

I triple bet you that Black Zestu wasnt created by any character other then SO6P's and that Black Zestu as a whole meaning both Black 1/2's combine derived from The Juubi.....logic


Everybody on NarutoBase remember this post quote me on it!!!!!!

There is nothing wrong with you believing that...
Who knows, maybe you will be right...
I don't agree though...
I also feel confident that I could form a more convincing, grounded argument for Tobi being Izuna than you could for Tobi being some freakish patchwork doll. Opps, I already did.
I'm also slightly miffed, that every time you say something wrong and I counter it, you comeback with the same response...which has nothing to do with what we were just talking about...

WTF are you talking about. You did not post anything but pieces of info, that you then follow with your interpretation. and No i have never seen Tobirama do edo tensei but he has been credited with being the creator on different ocasions.

and no, i dont think you made compelling arguements.... i think you presented your oppinion and i am free to disagree...

i am sorry i am not nuthuggin on your stupidity, but you are the one who can not see the facts....

TOBI can not do EDO TENSEI from what we have seen, yet you seem to think that he planned all of this and that Madara knew about it....

if TOBI could do it, then why didnt he do it in the first place? why did he need Kabuto?

i dont need all these damn links, and pictures, because fact is i am just raising simple questions that you cant even answer will all your fancy "LINKS AND SH**" because again it is just your opinion not fact.

OH LOOK! I WAS RIGHT! NOT WORTH READING!
COINCIDENTALLY ALSO NOT WORTH EXPLAINING IT TO YOU ANYMORE!

 

[immortal sage]

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Everyones arguing about somthing eaven me I don't have any real concrete guess on who tobi is just guesses but it seems that that is the biggest argumint going on and when he takes off that mask everyone who was wrong is going to get flamed big time and there ain't shit they can do about it becouse that's one of the pircs about being correct that you get to talk all you want

 

[bigmoose21]

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Everyones arguing about somthing eaven me I don't have any real concrete guess on who tobi is just guesses but it seems that that is the biggest argumint going on and when he takes off that mask everyone who was wrong is going to get flamed big time and there ain't shit they can do about it becouse that's one of the pircs about being correct that you get to talk all you want

you are correct. but its just rediculous that this guy above keeps flaming and flaming like his theory just came to life.... well it hasnt yet, so chill out and agree to disagree, but dont keep flamming when you have no proof whatsoever just like everyone else.

 

[tiptop]

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well im goin to bed , wen i wake up i best find the chap out but if not the spoiler will do(not like anyone cares )

 

[Tobimaru]

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The only way I can see the 1st beating Madara is if he used some of the Bijuu he had under his control, would have been a epic battle