[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions
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my madara theory
my madara theory
well if their was a madara flashback showing his fight and mysterious life pre and after his fight with hashirama, this is how i imagine it to be.
please read this with an open mind and give it a chance despite the length
(before his fight with hashirama)
well first it starts with madara meeting a little weird looking boy which turns out to be zetsu(looks around age 10-12)
madara acknowledges the boys special features- regenerative abilities, slow ageing(assumptions) , and perfect cloning abilities. due to these features madara chooses to take zetsu under his wing for his plan to take hashiramas cells and also FAKE his death at the same time.
(im gonna skip to the end of fight with hashirama)
zetsu made a perfect clone of madara and swapped with the real one, hashirama has his blood all over the place including his flesh stuck to a few of the kunai that struck him earlier in the fight. clone madara appears to be dead while hashirama walks in to the distance while ninja come to his aid and report the state of the place etc. when the place is cleared and the only thing left is the clone, the real madara and zetsu appear an collect as much of his dna as possible.
(alot of time passes and madara is in hiding with zetsu , madara is looking older and zetsu has grown abit)
madara states how long it has taken him to get where he has needed to get, modifying his body to finally unlock the rinnegan. but madara is not pleased that hes gained it at his old age and he believes that while gaining such a strong doujutsu , he has lost his physical strength due to old age. he discusses a plan with zetsu that will allow him to rule the world. the plan that is being concluded: "create a new body and pour his spirit into it using izinagi and then proceed with the moons eye plan" . but theirs a few problems here; its not possible to pour is WHOLE spirit into the body because of how izinagi works. so madara decided to just put half of his spirit into the body(that he created in the image of zetsu and his abilities). the new body is a grown man that has the facial features of a normal person, although it is technically another madara , they called him tobi just to avoid confusion between the two. madara transmits his ms abilities(only) into tobis normal sharingan using the same technique itachi used on sasuke.
madara then discovers nagato and transmits his rinnegan to him while hes a toddler, madara is then left with his base sharingan(but can still control others because of his sinister chakra)
this is why tobi claims to be a shell of his former self; his former self being the original madara that had his spirit in one piece. i also believe the ability of muu is foreshadowing this revelation.
(some time after)
madara and tobi made a plan to try and capture the nin tail fox , but using tobi just to test his abilities. plan obviously failed.
(some time after)
madara, tobi and zetsu goes to relocate, to where the 4th mizukage is so they can find a recruit(kisame). madara manipulates the mizukage and talks to kisame aswell and tells him the plan. madara needs someone who can hold important information and protect it aswell.
here are when he shows up and approaches kisame
and
with this one, madara tells kisame the whole plan that includes tobi and him being part of madara, and how tobi is going to take over while madara is dead. i think offscreen ; tobi shows up besides madara strait after the explanation of the "moons eye plan".
that explains why kisame recognised tobi as madara here
after the conversation with kisame , madara left every thing to tobi, to control the mizukage and also pull the strings with akatsuki (controlling nagato). at this point madara is officially dead, and before he died madara had a plan with tobi and zetsu to manipulate nagato to bring him back with the rinnegan ability but into tobis body when all the pieces are together.
and
(sometime after madaras death)
tobi lost the control of mizukage because he was found out, mizukage somehow died at that time and the 3 tails went wild and had no host.
tobi then enrolled himself into the akatsuki since he had no more reason to be in the land of waves(i think thats where it is) , tobi was still undercover and not revealing to the rest of akatsuki that he is actually madara.(only nagato and konan knew the importance of him)
(current time)
tobi was figured out by kabuto , that tobi isnt who he says...EXACTLY. tobi didnt worry that kabuto will use the his own self against himself, he was worried that the half of madaras soul will be no longer be available to tobi due to kabuto haveing it in use , therefore tobi cant make himself complete again, thats a reason why tobi asked kabuto how to cancel the jutsu. but i believe that tobi now possessing the rinnegan he can use the human path to rip the soul from the edo tensei madara and complete himself if he consumes it.
yeah thats how i see it, i believe this is kishi style aswell so it does have potential. sounds better than any "obito survived the boulder and went evil" theory and also "izuna hated hes brother but wanted to pose as him for an intimidating appeal" theory.
please give me constructive feedback if you object to this theory. and it will be appreciated if you also give me your own theories and compare them to mine and see which one has more potential.
please read this with an open mind and give it a chance despite the length
(before his fight with hashirama)
well first it starts with madara meeting a little weird looking boy which turns out to be zetsu(looks around age 10-12)
madara acknowledges the boys special features- regenerative abilities, slow ageing(assumptions) , and perfect cloning abilities. due to these features madara chooses to take zetsu under his wing for his plan to take hashiramas cells and also FAKE his death at the same time.
(im gonna skip to the end of fight with hashirama)
zetsu made a perfect clone of madara and swapped with the real one, hashirama has his blood all over the place including his flesh stuck to a few of the kunai that struck him earlier in the fight. clone madara appears to be dead while hashirama walks in to the distance while ninja come to his aid and report the state of the place etc. when the place is cleared and the only thing left is the clone, the real madara and zetsu appear an collect as much of his dna as possible.
(alot of time passes and madara is in hiding with zetsu , madara is looking older and zetsu has grown abit)
madara states how long it has taken him to get where he has needed to get, modifying his body to finally unlock the rinnegan. but madara is not pleased that hes gained it at his old age and he believes that while gaining such a strong doujutsu , he has lost his physical strength due to old age. he discusses a plan with zetsu that will allow him to rule the world. the plan that is being concluded: "create a new body and pour his spirit into it using izinagi and then proceed with the moons eye plan" . but theirs a few problems here; its not possible to pour is WHOLE spirit into the body because of how izinagi works. so madara decided to just put half of his spirit into the body(that he created in the image of zetsu and his abilities). the new body is a grown man that has the facial features of a normal person, although it is technically another madara , they called him tobi just to avoid confusion between the two. madara transmits his ms abilities(only) into tobis normal sharingan using the same technique itachi used on sasuke.
madara then discovers nagato and transmits his rinnegan to him while hes a toddler, madara is then left with his base sharingan(but can still control others because of his sinister chakra)
this is why tobi claims to be a shell of his former self; his former self being the original madara that had his spirit in one piece. i also believe the ability of muu is foreshadowing this revelation.
(some time after)
madara and tobi made a plan to try and capture the nin tail fox , but using tobi just to test his abilities. plan obviously failed.
(some time after)
madara, tobi and zetsu goes to relocate, to where the 4th mizukage is so they can find a recruit(kisame). madara manipulates the mizukage and talks to kisame aswell and tells him the plan. madara needs someone who can hold important information and protect it aswell.
here are when he shows up and approaches kisame
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that explains why kisame recognised tobi as madara here
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after the conversation with kisame , madara left every thing to tobi, to control the mizukage and also pull the strings with akatsuki (controlling nagato). at this point madara is officially dead, and before he died madara had a plan with tobi and zetsu to manipulate nagato to bring him back with the rinnegan ability but into tobis body when all the pieces are together.
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(sometime after madaras death)
tobi lost the control of mizukage because he was found out, mizukage somehow died at that time and the 3 tails went wild and had no host.
tobi then enrolled himself into the akatsuki since he had no more reason to be in the land of waves(i think thats where it is) , tobi was still undercover and not revealing to the rest of akatsuki that he is actually madara.(only nagato and konan knew the importance of him)
(current time)
tobi was figured out by kabuto , that tobi isnt who he says...EXACTLY. tobi didnt worry that kabuto will use the his own self against himself, he was worried that the half of madaras soul will be no longer be available to tobi due to kabuto haveing it in use , therefore tobi cant make himself complete again, thats a reason why tobi asked kabuto how to cancel the jutsu. but i believe that tobi now possessing the rinnegan he can use the human path to rip the soul from the edo tensei madara and complete himself if he consumes it.
yeah thats how i see it, i believe this is kishi style aswell so it does have potential. sounds better than any "obito survived the boulder and went evil" theory and also "izuna hated hes brother but wanted to pose as him for an intimidating appeal" theory.
please give me constructive feedback if you object to this theory. and it will be appreciated if you also give me your own theories and compare them to mine and see which one has more potential.
KnowledgeGod
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1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume), door (Japanese-style) , gang, if (conjunction), metropolitan (adj-no,n), municipal, party , person (suf), promoted pawn (shogi) (abbr), set, ten, way "
2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
This actually means 10 tails Juubi.......Tobi is Black Zestu. Black Zestu is the 10th tail of the Juubi in human form. get it Tobi!!!..The rest of the Juubi 9 tails where created into Beasts known as the Bijuu's..........Again the Juubi had 10 tails. Lets apply mathematics to this 10-9=1.....1 tail of the Juubi isnt accounted for or even talked about because it wasnt a Beast, it became Black Zestu......logic!
Dude Im not going to front you got potentail....But you getting caught up into the nonsense....this format is right that you presented....Hello, spammers. I wanted to point something out.
1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume)
2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
Tobi= ...
Now, "Tobi" is just a pseudonym he came up with, we figured that much. It definitely indicates his intentions, though.
We MUST NOT ignore that half of the Kyuubi's chakra was sealed in Minato, and the other half in Naruto, therefore, as chakra CAN be divided and sealed separately (as we have also witnessed it happened with Muu's), half of Madara's chakra could have perfectly been sealed while the other half remained in the mortal world.
I still think Tobi is Izuna. I believe Izuna, in order to have Madara achieve the Rinnegan - seeing as he had a clear mind, defined intentions, and the leadership needed to achieve them -,voluntarily gave his eyes to his brother and then got another pair. Madara and Izuna had to turn to finding a proper vessel for Madara's Rinnegan once Madara was gone: this they did, possibly, when Madara was already in his deathbed. The result was Nagato, who then Izuna would drag into Akatsuki along with Yahiko, all of this to, at some point, once Nagato's abilities had developed properly, resurrect Madara.
Then he'd pluck Nagato's eyes out, again, to have Madara look pretty once more.
We MUST NOT ignore a döjutsu can be deactivated and still look peculiar (have you paid enough attention to the Byakugan users? Also, Kurenai's eyes are funny-looking - the older son's eyes looking like that DOES NOT indicate his jutsu was "on"); the older of the Sage's sons could have perfectly had it resting "when the picture was taken", though I really doubt the drawer would show him that way while trying to illustrate how he "inherited the Sage's *eyes*" <--- We MUST NOT discard the use of metaphors by the author, it would be very silly. It could perfectly mean he inherited the Sage's "vision", while "the youngest inherited the Sage's body" could mean he inherited the Sage's "mission", his fundament, his purpose, which completely makes sense.
The older son's eyes could also be a diminished version of the Sage's Rinnegan, which DOES NOT discard, at all, that he had the potential to develop the original Rinnegan, just like an Uchiha would (with the pressumed possession of the younger son's proper genes)
I think Madara, not Izuna, intends to become the Ten-tailed beast's vessel, BUT, in order to deceive his fellow ninja, Izuna needed to dress himself in uncertainty as much as possible, thus, when his identity was discovered (that is, when they discovered he IS NOT Madara but somebody else, still unknown), he would still be protected by his surroundings' ignorance AND Madara's intentions would still be unknown to them.
But that's just my theory.
1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume)
, door (Japanese-style) , gang, if (conjunction), metropolitan (adj-no,n), municipal, party , person (suf), promoted pawn (shogi) (abbr), set, ten, way "2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
This actually means 10 tails Juubi.......Tobi is Black Zestu. Black Zestu is the 10th tail of the Juubi in human form. get it Tobi!!!..The rest of the Juubi 9 tails where created into Beasts known as the Bijuu's..........Again the Juubi had 10 tails. Lets apply mathematics to this 10-9=1.....1 tail of the Juubi isnt accounted for or even talked about because it wasnt a Beast, it became Black Zestu......logic!
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I'm just waiting for tomorrow's issue.. Maybe we will learn about Tobi, Madara, Zetsu and SO6P.. We can all conjure up such intricate theories but Kishi is the only one who knows at the time. Heck, Kishi could probably have a narutobase membership and probably looking at our responses and laughing. But still I can't wait for the next issue.
I stick to saying that Tobi is probably a path of Madara's incomplete rinnegan.
*New Theory*
What if Nagato's parents Uchiha and Senju.. One of each.. they were both ninja. We only know that his parents were killed and nothing else.
I'm just waiting for tomorrow's issue.. Maybe we will learn about Tobi, Madara, Zetsu and SO6P.. We can all conjure up such intricate theories but Kishi is the only one who knows at the time. Heck, Kishi could probably have a narutobase membership and probably looking at our responses and laughing. But still I can't wait for the next issue.
I stick to saying that Tobi is probably a path of Madara's incomplete rinnegan.
*New Theory*
What if Nagato's parents Uchiha and Senju.. One of each.. they were both ninja. We only know that his parents were killed and nothing else.
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The 1st hokage and madara fight logic is not that impressive but the kisame thing and when tobi says (to zetsu) it was meant for me (nagato's rinne tensei) was very good.my madara theory
well if their was a madara flashback showing his fight and mysterious life pre and after his fight with hashirama, this is how i imagine it to be.
please read this with an open mind and give it a chance despite the length
(before his fight with hashirama)
well first it starts with madara meeting a little weird looking boy which turns out to be zetsu(looks around age 10-12)
madara acknowledges the boys special features- regenerative abilities, slow ageing(assumptions) , and perfect cloning abilities. due to these features madara chooses to take zetsu under his wing for his plan to take hashiramas cells and also FAKE his death at the same time.
(im gonna skip to the end of fight with hashirama)
zetsu made a perfect clone of madara and swapped with the real one, hashirama has his blood all over the place including his flesh stuck to a few of the kunai that struck him earlier in the fight. clone madara appears to be dead while hashirama walks in to the distance while ninja come to his aid and report the state of the place etc. when the place is cleared and the only thing left is the clone, the real madara and zetsu appear an collect as much of his dna as possible.
(alot of time passes and madara is in hiding with zetsu , madara is looking older and zetsu has grown abit)
madara states how long it has taken him to get where he has needed to get, modifying his body to finally unlock the rinnegan. but madara is not pleased that hes gained it at his old age and he believes that while gaining such a strong doujutsu , he has lost his physical strength due to old age. he discusses a plan with zetsu that will allow him to rule the world. the plan that is being concluded: "create a new body and pour his spirit into it using izinagi and then proceed with the moons eye plan" . but theirs a few problems here; its not possible to pour is WHOLE spirit into the body because of how izinagi works. so madara decided to just put half of his spirit into the body(that he created in the image of zetsu and his abilities). the new body is a grown man that has the facial features of a normal person, although it is technically another madara , they called him tobi just to avoid confusion between the two. madara transmits his ms abilities(only) into tobis normal sharingan using the same technique itachi used on sasuke.
madara then discovers nagato and transmits his rinnegan to him while hes a toddler, madara is then left with his base sharingan(but can still control others because of his sinister chakra)
this is why tobi claims to be a shell of his former self; his former self being the original madara that had his spirit in one piece. i also believe the ability of muu is foreshadowing this revelation.
(some time after)
madara and tobi made a plan to try and capture the nin tail fox , but using tobi just to test his abilities. plan obviously failed.
(some time after)
madara, tobi and zetsu goes to relocate, to where the 4th mizukage is so they can find a recruit(kisame). madara manipulates the mizukage and talks to kisame aswell and tells him the plan. madara needs someone who can hold important information and protect it aswell.
here are when he shows up and approaches kisame
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with this one, madara tells kisame the whole plan that includes tobi and him being part of madara, and how tobi is going to take over while madara is dead. i think offscreen ; tobi shows up besides madara strait after the explanation of the "moons eye plan".You must be registered for see images
that explains why kisame recognised tobi as madara here
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after the conversation with kisame , madara left every thing to tobi, to control the mizukage and also pull the strings with akatsuki (controlling nagato). at this point madara is officially dead, and before he died madara had a plan with tobi and zetsu to manipulate nagato to bring him back with the rinnegan ability but into tobis body when all the pieces are together.
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(sometime after madaras death)
tobi lost the control of mizukage because he was found out, mizukage somehow died at that time and the 3 tails went wild and had no host.
tobi then enrolled himself into the akatsuki since he had no more reason to be in the land of waves(i think thats where it is) , tobi was still undercover and not revealing to the rest of akatsuki that he is actually madara.(only nagato and konan knew the importance of him)
(current time)
tobi was figured out by kabuto , that tobi isnt who he says...EXACTLY. tobi didnt worry that kabuto will use the his own self against himself, he was worried that the half of madaras soul will be no longer be available to tobi due to kabuto haveing it in use , therefore tobi cant make himself complete again, thats a reason why tobi asked kabuto how to cancel the jutsu. but i believe that tobi now possessing the rinnegan he can use the human path to rip the soul from the edo tensei madara and complete himself if he consumes it.
yeah thats how i see it, i believe this is kishi style aswell so it does have potential. sounds better than any "obito survived the boulder and went evil" theory and also "izuna hated hes brother but wanted to pose as him for an intimidating appeal" theory.
please give me constructive feedback if you object to this theory. and it will be appreciated if you also give me your own theories and compare them to mine and see which one has more potential.
NapoleonKiller
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Nagato didnt use any jutsu that requires both Uchiha and Senju.
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Nagato uses the rinnegan and he is an Uzamaki.. The Uzamaki's are decedents of the Senju clan.. They don't have the Eyes of The SO6P.. THATS WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID!! YOU KNOW NO FACTS?!
KnowledgeGod
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Thanks I appreciate it....logic!
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Uzumakis were from the Whirlpool land near the land of water. During the war the Uzumaki's helped the leaf village. So Hasirama married an Uzumaki. This is why the leaf village has a spiral on their uniforms (whirlpool land's symbol was a spiral) Considering their chakra, he had found the perfect vessel for the 9-tails. So 1st hokage's wife was the 1st jinchuriki of 9tails. When she was old the seal was loosening. So there was a need for another vessel for the 9tails. Therefore Kushina was called from the whirlpool land to be the next jinchuriki.
Nagato was an uzumaki, not a decendent of senju.
Who says Uzumakis were decendents of Senju clan??
Uzumakis were from the Whirlpool land near the land of water. During the war the Uzumaki's helped the leaf village. So Hasirama married an Uzumaki. This is why the leaf village has a spiral on their uniforms (whirlpool land's symbol was a spiral) Considering their chakra, he had found the perfect vessel for the 9-tails. So 1st hokage's wife was the 1st jinchuriki of 9tails. When she was old the seal was loosening. So there was a need for another vessel for the 9tails. Therefore Kushina was called from the whirlpool land to be the next jinchuriki.
Nagato was an uzumaki, not a decendent of senju.
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And Nagato's parents were NOT NINJAS. It was clearly stated in the manga. If they were ninjas, why didnt they participate in the war?
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The Uzumaki clan (うずまき一族, Uzumaki Ichizoku) was a prominent clan in Uzushiogakure. They were also distant relatives of the Senju clan and thus both clans were on good terms; an alliance that extended onto their Hidden Villages - Konohagakure and Uzushiogakure.
DONT TEST MY KNOWLEDGE!!!
The Uzumaki clan (うずまき一族, Uzumaki Ichizoku) was a prominent clan in Uzushiogakure. They were also distant relatives of the Senju clan and thus both clans were on good terms; an alliance that extended onto their Hidden Villages - Konohagakure and Uzushiogakure.
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NapoleonKiller
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Read further and you'll find what i said.
Do you think you are the only one who reads narutowikia?
And it says 'distant relatives' not 'decendants'.
Read further and you'll find what i said.
Do you think you are the only one who reads narutowikia?
And it says 'distant relatives' not 'decendants'.
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I can't possibly sift through 103 pages to see if this has been said, but from what I've read and remembered so far, there seems to be two factions at work here that haven't been revealed. One, of course, is the masked man who called himself Madara. BUT.... when Kabuto and him had a conversation, they clearly were on edge with each other and Kabuto stated in this chapter that he was in alliance with him. This means, in my opinion, that there is one other person involved and we've yet to find out who. I guess we'll just have to wait to see who it is!
I can't possibly sift through 103 pages to see if this has been said, but from what I've read and remembered so far, there seems to be two factions at work here that haven't been revealed. One, of course, is the masked man who called himself Madara. BUT.... when Kabuto and him had a conversation, they clearly were on edge with each other and Kabuto stated in this chapter that he was in alliance with him. This means, in my opinion, that there is one other person involved and we've yet to find out who. I guess we'll just have to wait to see who it is!
KnowledgeGod
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I'm not saying im 100% correct on everything i post, but i do try to make sense of the overal story and plot.....My Predictions and Theories are just the same as eveybody elses on here equal...Kishimoto will explain everything in due time im just hoping im as close to the truth than anybody else lol....logic!
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The one thing I was wrong about is that you don't have to have Senju and Uchiha DNA to develop the Rinnegan.. That was the reason I put those links together.
I took the fact that if there is a relative link between the Senju and the Uzamaki then there is a possibility that Nagato has senju blood.
The other fact I took to create my theory is that he has an eye technique.
We now know that the Rinnegan is linked to the Sharingan so I came to the conclusion that his parents had to have both Genes..
And it was not stateed that his parent were ninja but they fought and for his escape..
Niether of us really "know" what happened outside of that..
The one thing I was wrong about is that you don't have to have Senju and Uchiha DNA to develop the Rinnegan.. That was the reason I put those links together.
I took the fact that if there is a relative link between the Senju and the Uzamaki then there is a possibility that Nagato has senju blood.
The other fact I took to create my theory is that he has an eye technique.
We now know that the Rinnegan is linked to the Sharingan so I came to the conclusion that his parents had to have both Genes..
And it was not stateed that his parent were ninja but they fought and for his escape..
NapoleonKiller
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I am still not clear about what you want to tell but if it is what i think it is then:
Nagato was GIVEN the rinnegan by TOBI
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I am still not clear about what you want to tell but if it is what i think it is then:
Nagato was GIVEN the rinnegan by TOBI
And read this page
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Where do you find the basis for that theory about Black Zetzu being the tenth tail, Tobi, and the mastermind behind everything? To me he just seems to be thrilled by chaos and all the theatrics his masters, id est, Madara and Izuna, give place to in order to achieve their plans. Black Zetsu has been called "The Magician's Helper" and that is what he is: a follower, an admirer, a subject. Are you forgetting White Zetsu, NOT Black Zetsu is the clone factory? And we just saw Black Zetsu at the battlefield, a few chapters ago. Kishimoto just wanted to include another War in the plot to bring many deceased characters to the scene. Had it depended only on Tobi, and he had done only what his cause dictated, the War would have been dispensable, and that is where Tobi's biggest mistake is.
Also, NapoleonKiller:
We should not mix the War with Tobi's plans, for the War is just theatrics he chose to let take place in order to let the Ninja World witness his genius. Had he known Madara would be brought to the battlefield through the Impure World Resurrection, he would not have risked that much, and that is where I'm headed to: he reacted the way he reacted solely because it was his brother Madara, being brought to the mortal world by those means - Madara himself expressed his disgust for that technique immediately after Muu told him, because he was expecting to be resurrected by Nagato (and he made it obvious earlier), whom would have been chosen as responsible for such a trait by none other than Izuna/Tobi. This also explains Tobi's disdain towards Nagato betraying their cause.
Of course, all of this only works if Tobi is, in fact, Izuna. And nobody knows that yet.
KnoledgeGod, no. It was clearly stated that the Juubi's chakra was divided into nine entities (tailed-beasts), and its body sealed inside the moon, even if that sounds metaphorical - or the sealing might have been in another way/somewhere else, I'm not willing to do all the reasearch right now, but it does not change the fact that such a division CAN NOT use the entity's number of tails as reference for selecting the numbers to be divided, only the fact that it had enormous chakra and was proportionately distributed in nine derived entities (there could be a correlation between the amount of chakra recieved by the derived entity and the entity's number of tails itself, as we have seen that the Kyuubi and Hachibi are the strongest). It was a division, not a deduction.Dude Im not going to front you got potentail....But you getting caught up into the nonsense....this format is right that you presented....
1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume)
2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
This actually means 10 tails Juubi.......Tobi is Black Zestu. Black Zestu is the 10th tail of the Juubi in human form. get it Tobi!!!..The rest of the Juubi 9 tails where created into Beasts known as the Bijuu's..........Again the Juubi had 10 tails. Lets apply mathematics to this 10-9=1.....1 tail of the Juubi isnt accounted for or even talked about because it wasnt a Beast, it became Black Zestu......logic!
Where do you find the basis for that theory about Black Zetzu being the tenth tail, Tobi, and the mastermind behind everything? To me he just seems to be thrilled by chaos and all the theatrics his masters, id est, Madara and Izuna, give place to in order to achieve their plans. Black Zetsu has been called "The Magician's Helper" and that is what he is: a follower, an admirer, a subject. Are you forgetting White Zetsu, NOT Black Zetsu is the clone factory? And we just saw Black Zetsu at the battlefield, a few chapters ago. Kishimoto just wanted to include another War in the plot to bring many deceased characters to the scene. Had it depended only on Tobi, and he had done only what his cause dictated, the War would have been dispensable, and that is where Tobi's biggest mistake is.
Also, NapoleonKiller:
I'm sorry, the structure you gave to your ideas inhibited me from understanding any of them, that is, if they made sense --> I do not mean to offend, I am being completely sincere.
We should not mix the War with Tobi's plans, for the War is just theatrics he chose to let take place in order to let the Ninja World witness his genius. Had he known Madara would be brought to the battlefield through the Impure World Resurrection, he would not have risked that much, and that is where I'm headed to: he reacted the way he reacted solely because it was his brother Madara, being brought to the mortal world by those means - Madara himself expressed his disgust for that technique immediately after Muu told him, because he was expecting to be resurrected by Nagato (and he made it obvious earlier), whom would have been chosen as responsible for such a trait by none other than Izuna/Tobi. This also explains Tobi's disdain towards Nagato betraying their cause.
Of course, all of this only works if Tobi is, in fact, Izuna. And nobody knows that yet.
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Unless Tobi is a clone of Madara or A path of Madara(which I believe may be the case) then I don't believe anything about Tobi's story so far.
You have me on the thing about his parentss but who believes tobi.. He is saying he is Madara Uchiha yet Madara Uchiha is dead..
Unless Tobi is a clone of Madara or A path of Madara(which I believe may be the case) then I don't believe anything about Tobi's story so far.
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