[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 544 Discussion and 545 Predictions

[BarBoBot]

About Itachi's eyes I knew and got your points, but you don't get mine. The summoned ones has all their powers intact including their eyes. With IWR the bodies, the bloods, the eyes of the vessels transformed into the bodies, the bloods, the eyes of the summoned ones. It's power and abilities are exactly the same as the original, in essence there exist a set of them. That's how I look at it. If that's not how you want to look then that's fine, I don't ask you to agree with me.

no, you are wrong about that.

Look at any of the edo tensei summons that have been injured. Its not flesh, and blood.

The body is consumed for the jutsu and becomed a vessel for the soul. The soul has its abilities, but just the powers, nothing from their physical bodies.

Again...its not REALLY them, its just a vessel with a soul in it.

Look at Hanzo when he cuts himself. Its not flesh and blood. I forgot what chapter its in, but its explained that the sacrificed bodies are covered with ash that take the form and looks of the soul inside.

One of Hanzo's abilitied is that he has a poison sack from a salamander implanted in him, that gave him resistance to poison and the ability to breathe poison out. His IWR self doesnt REALLY have the actual poison gland, but instead a IWR copy of that power. He has that POWER without REALLY having the salamader poison gland because thats what IWR does.

Itachi has the POWER of his MS, but not the actual PHYSICAL eyes, just a recreation of the POWER that the eyes possesed.

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[leezagboola]

Geez im pretty sure there is only 1 set of 7 ninja swords, some of them were blacked out because people already had their swords, eg bee has one and that guy with mei terumi. They summonded their swords to them and im pretty sure they are passed down from generation to generation. If there are 2 sets of swords then why wouldnt have everyone got a sword and wouldnt someone just take them and form their own ninja swordsmen team?

 

[dexter64]

no, you are wrong about that.

Look at any of the edo tensei summons that have been injured. Its not flesh, and blood.

The body is consumed for the jutsu and becomed a vessel for the soul. The soul has its abilities, but just the powers, nothing from their physical bodies.

Again...its not REALLY them, its just a vessel with a soul in it.

Look at Hanzo when he cuts himself. Its not flesh and blood. I forgot what chapter its in, but its explained that the sacrificed bodies are covered with ash that take the form and looks of the soul inside.

One of Hanzo's abilitied is that he has a poison sack from a salamander implanted in him, that gave him resistance to poison and the ability to breathe poison out. His IWR self doesnt REALLY have the actual poison gland, but instead a IWR copy of that power. He has that POWER without REALLY having the salamader poison gland because thats what IWR does.

Itachi has the POWER of his MS, but not the actual PHYSICAL eyes, just a recreation of the POWER that the eyes possesed.

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You did it again. Good.

Yes, I got it, but like always every answer give raise to new questions.
1. The IWR bodies should be automatically regenerating.
2. To implant body parts you need bloods.
3. How Madara implanted all that sharingan and rinnegan?

 

[BarBoBot]

Madara did not implant any sharingan or rinnegan.

You will note that Pain had the rinnegan, and all his paths seemed to have the rinnegan, but....

Remember when tobi was controlling the 9 tailed fox? The foxes eyes looked like sharingan. They looked like that because the sharingan was controlling it.

Tobi is using that same jutsu, but now he has a sharingan AND a rinnegan, therefore when he is controlling them, their eyes look like his.

I believe its the same with Pain. His 6 paths had his eyes because he was using his eyes to control them. If all the paths REALLY had rinnegans, Tobi would not need to take Nagatos. He could have just stolen one of the 6 paths. Nagato showed he can replace his paths, since Jiraya had sealed one in the toad and sent it to the leaf, yet Nagato had 6 paths again when he attacked the leaf.

Notice that Tobi's sharingan has veins showing? Its not normally like that. Its to show he is using his sharingan for a powerful tech, which he is using to control Kabutos IWR summons.

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[Baked Naruto 420]

o damn i cant wait for 545 to come out! naruto looks savage win he is controlling the kyuubi's chakra

 

[Rico Uchiha]

so many posts! very good, haven't read them all, but there's some seriously good explaination here!

Do you guys think Madara will put a little bit of the Tailed-Beasts chakra in his paths? I think he will, for the story it would be brilliant. That way we get to see what the Jinchuurichi fought like and some screentime for the other Tailed Beasts.

But i surely hope we will get to see some of the important fights on Gaara's battleground.. Or Kakashi's...
There are only three major battlefields right? Gaara vs Kage's, Kakashi vs Swordsmen (probably already over) and Madara vs Whoever (prob Naruto?)

 

[BarBoBot]

his paths should already have tailed beast chakra.

Ginkaku and Kinkaku were ressurected with IWR and they both still had fox chakra.

 

[KingBarragan]

his paths should already have tailed beast chakra.

Ginkaku and Kinkaku were ressurected with IWR and they both still had fox chakra.

I don't think they will have bijuu chakra. Ginkaku and Kinkaku never had their chakra drained from them like these jinchuuriki that died from it. But they most likely have powerful nin jutsu.

 

[dexter64]

Madara did not implant any sharingan or rinnegan.

You will note that Pain had the rinnegan, and all his paths seemed to have the rinnegan, but....

Remember when tobi was controlling the 9 tailed fox? The foxes eyes looked like sharingan. They looked like that because the sharingan was controlling it.

Tobi is using that same jutsu, but now he has a sharingan AND a rinnegan, therefore when he is controlling them, their eyes look like his.

I believe its the same with Pain. His 6 paths had his eyes because he was using his eyes to control them. If all the paths REALLY had rinnegans, Tobi would not need to take Nagatos. He could have just stolen one of the 6 paths. Nagato showed he can replace his paths, since Jiraya had sealed one in the toad and sent it to the leaf, yet Nagato had 6 paths again when he attacked the leaf.

Notice that Tobi's sharingan has veins showing? Its not normally like that. Its to show he is using his sharingan for a powerful tech, which he is using to control Kabutos IWR summons.

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That is interesting, I have never thought about that.
I guess the texts made me to come to the other direction.
1. "Madara gave the jinchuurikis both a sharingan and a rinnegan...!!". Which of course implied that he implanted the eyes.
2. ".... and they should finally be accustomed to their eyes...". It takes time to control the implanted eyes.

However, you have a very compelling case here and I think yours is more logical.

Anyway I would like to hear what you think about those texts. If Madara really controlling them with his sharingan why they need to accustom to the eyes? It's way very different with Nagato which did all the fighting himself using all those dead bodies. While Madara's statement make it sound like the IWR would have some degree of control on how they use the eyes. It also means that Tobi's sharingan can override the talisman that control the IWR. But in a way I am a little disappointed that the IWR could be so easily felt under Madara's control.

 

[earac2004]

The method is effective in battle according to how the user may come up with straight.
Who said Naruto can't use Shadow during 9-tailed mode? He can even used all three modes according to what Kishi intends it to be.

For example, Naruto uses KageBushing Jutsu before he transformed into nine-tailed mode, so he can have all thousand clones and then used his original to transform into 9-Nine mode because this mode is different from Sage-mode as the control of amount of nature chakra together with his personal chakra is needed. That's what I think, ready for feedback... ^^,

 

[Aquaglow]

Whatever!!!! Madara is Awesome!

 

[jeetendra]

the chapter was fine but i think the next chapter will be dashing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[BarBoBot]

That is interesting, I have never thought about that.
I guess the texts made me to come to the other direction.
1. "Madara gave the jinchuurikis both a sharingan and a rinnegan...!!". Which of course implied that he implanted the eyes.
2. ".... and they should finally be accustomed to their eyes...". It takes time to control the implanted eyes.

However, you have a very compelling case here and I think yours is more logical.

Anyway I would like to hear what you think about those texts. If Madara really controlling them with his sharingan why they need to accustom to the eyes? It's way very different with Nagato which did all the fighting himself using all those dead bodies. While Madara's statement make it sound like the IWR would have some degree of control on how they use the eyes. It also means that Tobi's sharingan can override the talisman that control the IWR. But in a way I am a little disappointed that the IWR could be so easily felt under Madara's control.

At this point there isnt enough info to really know if my theory is correct, but the fact Tobi had to steal his rinnegan from Nagato means Tobi cant just create his own.

To me that means he cant just hand out rinnegan like candy.

Thats why Pains 6 path jutsu seems to fit IMO.

I dont think its exactly like Pains though. Clearly Tobi is using his sharingan as well, and thats the x-factor.

 

[csouvik41]

One of the better chapters I hope Kishi goes more in depth about Naruto's FTG that was the best part of the chapter... well second best the last page with Madara and Pains was the best I give it a 4/5.

i think naruto's FTG or teleportation technique, what ever it is, will be explained in th upcoming chapters because he can't use clone and will be using teleportation or ftg like the fourth to fight the jetsus...

 

[csouvik41]

your logic is rediculous dexter.

Show me 2 sets of swords or STFU. There is 1 set of 7 swordsman swords...

Perhaps its YOU who should re-read the manga. In Itachis final minutes vs Sasuke, he loses his sight in his right eye first, then his second before he dies...


Has ANY uchiha EVER been shown to activate or deactivate just 1 eye???? The answer is NO. He abused his ameterasu and then his eye loses its sight...

How does it feel to get pwned?

but even after that he summoned susano.And as sasuke explained only those having mangakeo in both eyes can summon susano...so, if his right eye was blind he couldn't have summoned susano..

I think just before dying he lost both his eyes....

 

[blackbird31468]

Who said Naruto can't use Shadow during 9-tailed mode?

killer bee

 

[josephz]

tht was great i gave it a 5

 

[ROGU3]

First off i would like to say kishi, ur really merciful lol, cuz had tsunade ended up fightin Raikage, she would have died in prollly 2 sec , next to address narutos speed,
1)honestly until now, i felt that naruto was no match for sasuke: there are 3 reasons
A)people think he cud beat sasuke in fox form.......not happening, even with narutos speed back when with the fox cloak, sasuke was able to read his moves with a sub par, incomplete sharingan.
B)afer the time skip, sasuke was shown suppressin the fox chakra, yes is u watched the little details, narutos nails, eyes and hair all returned normal after sasuke grabbed the fox
C) lets get serious sasuke has been compared to lee without his weights on in speed,he prolly faster now, had naruto not gained this newfound speed he prolly wouldnt be of any use.
However...now he has it, i was alwAys wonderin wat if naruto was faster then hiis lame, str8 forward attack rasengan wud become very deadly, seein as though he shud be able to transport with it, no he may be formidable, but we havent seen sasuke yet and we all know he was beyond foormidable without his implanted eyes.
Now for madara this is ridiculous, i've see people sayin aw so wat he has six paths blah blah blah, narutto beat them b4.....true but b4 they all had one function which made them less formidable, and easy 2 strategize against...this tim have to assume they will retain there ppowers as jin. and, u also have to think about how special sharingan is, for all of them 2 have one plus rinnegan plus there own special powers, this looks very bad for the gud guys...i predict bee and naruto will tag team this...naruto cant win alone.
OH AND EVERYONE WHO DOUBTS THERE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY TURN TO TAILED BEAST I WUD CHANGE YOUR LINE OF THINKIN, because although kin and jin arent jin.one of them were able to turn into a form of it, so with that it wud be logical 2 say they can turn to some form of there tailed beast

JUS OPINIONS LET ME KNOW WAT U THINK

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Naruto will most probably make an awesome entrance and show everyone his new powers. I think even Madara will be surprised by Naruto's progress.

 

[ROGU3]

At this point there isnt enough info to really know if my theory is correct, but the fact Tobi had to steal his rinnegan from Nagato means Tobi cant just create his own.

To me that means he cant just hand out rinnegan like candy.

Thats why Pains 6 path jutsu seems to fit IMO.

I dont think its exactly like Pains though. Clearly Tobi is using his sharingan as well, and thats the x-factor.

I AGREE WITH YOU BOTH......i think it is the six paths of pain jutsu, if u think about it ther original pain had 2 rinnegans like nagato, madara doesnt need 2 rinnegans to activate this jutsu apparently,but i mean the six paths have there sharingans in the same exact spot as madara, iidk i dont think its implanted