[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 516 Discussion and 517 Predictions
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wow, very little good convo going on here.
and where the hell are the mods?
theres been like 3 triple posts!!
with no reprimand...
1. there is no more training. bee is referring to the war.
read our posts, dammit! if you are gonna post dont just be a jackass and post and not read anyone else's post. thats a jerk move. i read everyones posts, even the people i don't like, and even the one liner idiotic "make me want to shoot you" posts. its a matter of respect. and not posting and sounding like a moron.
2. who cares what the symbol/seal on neji's father forehead looks like?
im more concerned about what it does, and whether that will come into play.
will hinata or her father be able to activate the seal and shut him down?
that would be one of the sickest most awesome things that has ever happened imo.
"not even edo tensei can break the bond between main/branch families!" i wish.
3. i think we will see a lot of sacrificial fights like we have in the past leading into the war. anko vs kabuto might go on for a bit. them both being orochimaru's discples will be interesting. i see kabuto being like "you shouldve stayed with sensei and finished your training, youre weak!" and then anko being like, "oh yeah? we'll check out what he taught me!" BOOM! but madara may interfere. or anko may make a run for it, or she may just die quickly, but somehow I doubt that.
she may even take some of kabutos attention away from the edo tensei, causing some major confusion, that would be awesome.
4. i see one of the konoha crew that followed kabuto getting away. they will pull a move like the genin did vs the sound ninja back in the day. "you go on ahead, i'll hold them back" its already happened 2x. anko vs kabuto, and now that byakugan user vs whoever stays to fight him. then the bug shinobi will probably stay to sacrifice after that. finally one of them will get back to report about the zetsu's. however it may be too late.
5. the shinobi are in for a real surprise. i dont think they know that they are up against the edo tensei and the zetsu clones....realistically what can 3 ninja do?
madara, kabuto, and zetsu, though sick in their own ways, could not/cannot beat the joint shinobi forces. the only real balancing of the war is the edo tensei and the zetsu clones. if one or both of those become irrelevant, the fight will turn largely in the favor of the shinobi. although akatsuki has the element of surprise. like i said, the shinobi dont know they are going up against edo tensei and zetsu clones. i imagine they think they are up against 10-100 ninja at the most, and expect to dominate. they will be VERY surprised when the enemy comes out of the ground and transforms into their worst enemy. or drops out of the sky or jumps out of the forest as a dead shinobi that will pull some heart strings.
6. kabuto is helping madara, because he wants sasuke, and he knows that he cant beat madara. therefore he has no choice but to cooperate with him. he could probably care less about madara, or what madara wants. but in reality he has to care, because he cant take sasuke from madara without madara's approval. that much is obvious.
7. it crossed my mind yesterday that kabuto might very well be a good guy. as much as that is nearly impossible to believe, i think he could easily go either way right now. he is a murderer, yes. but even murderers believe under most situations that they are somehow doing the right thing. they think that sometimes you must do something evil to make something right. i wonder where his loyalties lie? does he want what orochimaru wanted? does he want for himself? or does he want for whats best for everyone? I just dont know yet. only time will tell.
8. thanks to everyone who reads my posts and to those who try their best to be intelligent and post meaningful words. i appreciate you.
and where the hell are the mods?
theres been like 3 triple posts!!
with no reprimand...
1. there is no more training. bee is referring to the war.
read our posts, dammit! if you are gonna post dont just be a jackass and post and not read anyone else's post. thats a jerk move. i read everyones posts, even the people i don't like, and even the one liner idiotic "make me want to shoot you" posts. its a matter of respect. and not posting and sounding like a moron.
2. who cares what the symbol/seal on neji's father forehead looks like?
im more concerned about what it does, and whether that will come into play.
will hinata or her father be able to activate the seal and shut him down?
that would be one of the sickest most awesome things that has ever happened imo.
"not even edo tensei can break the bond between main/branch families!" i wish.
3. i think we will see a lot of sacrificial fights like we have in the past leading into the war. anko vs kabuto might go on for a bit. them both being orochimaru's discples will be interesting. i see kabuto being like "you shouldve stayed with sensei and finished your training, youre weak!" and then anko being like, "oh yeah? we'll check out what he taught me!" BOOM! but madara may interfere. or anko may make a run for it, or she may just die quickly, but somehow I doubt that.
she may even take some of kabutos attention away from the edo tensei, causing some major confusion, that would be awesome.
4. i see one of the konoha crew that followed kabuto getting away. they will pull a move like the genin did vs the sound ninja back in the day. "you go on ahead, i'll hold them back" its already happened 2x. anko vs kabuto, and now that byakugan user vs whoever stays to fight him. then the bug shinobi will probably stay to sacrifice after that. finally one of them will get back to report about the zetsu's. however it may be too late.
5. the shinobi are in for a real surprise. i dont think they know that they are up against the edo tensei and the zetsu clones....realistically what can 3 ninja do?
madara, kabuto, and zetsu, though sick in their own ways, could not/cannot beat the joint shinobi forces. the only real balancing of the war is the edo tensei and the zetsu clones. if one or both of those become irrelevant, the fight will turn largely in the favor of the shinobi. although akatsuki has the element of surprise. like i said, the shinobi dont know they are going up against edo tensei and zetsu clones. i imagine they think they are up against 10-100 ninja at the most, and expect to dominate. they will be VERY surprised when the enemy comes out of the ground and transforms into their worst enemy. or drops out of the sky or jumps out of the forest as a dead shinobi that will pull some heart strings.
6. kabuto is helping madara, because he wants sasuke, and he knows that he cant beat madara. therefore he has no choice but to cooperate with him. he could probably care less about madara, or what madara wants. but in reality he has to care, because he cant take sasuke from madara without madara's approval. that much is obvious.
7. it crossed my mind yesterday that kabuto might very well be a good guy. as much as that is nearly impossible to believe, i think he could easily go either way right now. he is a murderer, yes. but even murderers believe under most situations that they are somehow doing the right thing. they think that sometimes you must do something evil to make something right. i wonder where his loyalties lie? does he want what orochimaru wanted? does he want for himself? or does he want for whats best for everyone? I just dont know yet. only time will tell.
8. thanks to everyone who reads my posts and to those who try their best to be intelligent and post meaningful words. i appreciate you.
bondsofpast
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I wonder what sasukes new eyes look like. It really sucks that he has taken the path of evil instead of protecting the very thing itachi loved. When the war takes place i hope itachi and asuma are the first to die not to sound like a douche but they dont deserve to suffer under an undead battle with the akatsuki. I OFFICIALLY PREDICT...that about halfway through the war naruto is gonna come bustin in like a boss and save the whole ninja world with killer-bee with his new powers he has controlled from kyuubi and become the hokage! THATS RIGHT! FOR THE WIN! 
oh and i think sasuke might try and escape from zetsu and use his new powers before he heals. then zetsu will be like "NUH UH BITCH!!" :flaw::flaw:
oh and i think sasuke might try and escape from zetsu and use his new powers before he heals. then zetsu will be like "NUH UH BITCH!!" :flaw::flaw:
The Peaceful Warrior
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@omningan
the thing you're saying about the joint shinobi forces not knowing the number of the enemy's army I must tell you you're uncorrect the joint shinobi forces do know that akatsuki has and army in the nurmbers close 100,000, so it wont be such a big surprise for the forces to see the army being so big, but i will agree with you that akatsuki does have an element of surprise which we all know haves a great impact on a battle both IRL and in the narotuverse, due to the edo tensei(not sure its spelled correct) and the zetsu clones coming from the ground
ive been reading your post's(?) for a while now and you're one of the reasons that ive joined
the thing you're saying about the joint shinobi forces not knowing the number of the enemy's army I must tell you you're uncorrect the joint shinobi forces do know that akatsuki has and army in the nurmbers close 100,000, so it wont be such a big surprise for the forces to see the army being so big, but i will agree with you that akatsuki does have an element of surprise which we all know haves a great impact on a battle both IRL and in the narotuverse, due to the edo tensei(not sure its spelled correct) and the zetsu clones coming from the ground
ive been reading your post's(?) for a while now and you're one of the reasons that ive joined
Maybe he has his own agenda and simply doesn't give a dam who wins or loses as long as he has sasuke and simply does see the war as a "good vs evil" deal but more like a step towards sasuke. Either way he knows he probably wins. If Shinobi wins, madara dies and he has an open chance to go after sasuke. If madara wins, he promised kabuto to give him sasuke...so he just doesn't give a dam... We'll see if he betrays madara or keeps helping him...eiter way it's going to be fun
You're welcome...
Quoting Omningan, not spoilers
1. yes, completely agree with naruto's training being over. Though you should realise that most people may not have the time to read through a dozen long pages every week. I, honestly, don't read through all the long posts. Sorry, but I can't change time
2. To me it seems like that symbol shouldn't be there, or I wouldn't have shown it. They say it disappears when you die. Ofc, you can argue that, but it's my opinion.
3. I think Anko vs Kabuto will be a developed fight. Somebody usually dies from those, and it's not going to be kabuto
4. Kabuto and Naruto will probably fight. That's what kabuto suggested after orochimaru was killed. But many enemies want to fight naruto, while he's just one person that will be hidden for half of the war. how disappointing it must be...
5. The more I think about it, the more impossible the fight seems against akatsuki. especially zetsu. He turns into whoever he thinks is powerful, and confuses the enemy. How will the shinobi know who to hit?
6. kabuto's defn helping madara. He wouldn't have a reason to pretend to be with him and then betray akatsuki. If he hadn't wanted to help them he could have just joined the shinobi alliance from the start.
7. I'm looking forward to either of those. Regardless of kabuto's true loyalties, this is going to be cool
8. no prob, it was a good post
Quoting scorps
2. To me it seems like that symbol shouldn't be there, or I wouldn't have shown it. They say it disappears when you die. Ofc, you can argue that, but it's my opinion.
3. I think Anko vs Kabuto will be a developed fight. Somebody usually dies from those, and it's not going to be kabuto
4. Kabuto and Naruto will probably fight. That's what kabuto suggested after orochimaru was killed. But many enemies want to fight naruto, while he's just one person that will be hidden for half of the war. how disappointing it must be...
5. The more I think about it, the more impossible the fight seems against akatsuki. especially zetsu. He turns into whoever he thinks is powerful, and confuses the enemy.
How will the shinobi know who to hit?6. kabuto's defn helping madara. He wouldn't have a reason to pretend to be with him and then betray akatsuki. If he hadn't wanted to help them he could have just joined the shinobi alliance from the start.
7. I'm looking forward to either of those. Regardless of kabuto's true loyalties, this is going to be cool
8. no prob, it was a good post
Quoting scorps
Looking forward to kabuto's contributions to whoever he wishes to help. But he should realise that a massive genjutsu isn't going to help him.Maybe he has his own agenda and simply doesn't give a dam who wins or loses as long as he has sasuke and simply does see the war as a "good vs evil" deal but more like a step towards sasuke. Either way he knows he probably wins. If Shinobi wins, madara dies and he has an open chance to go after sasuke. If madara wins, he promised kabuto to give him sasuke...so he just doesn't give a dam... We'll see if he betrays madara or keeps helping him...eiter way it's going to be fun
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Cooldragon
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Look at it a second time. I thought it was the Hyuuga clan seal too, but on the second time, I looked at it, it was a swastika.
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Cooldragon
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im really glad you decided to join. thanks for reading my posts and joining so you could reply. i look forward to your input.
youre right. i sort of was forgetting that the kages are aware that the akatsuki forces number in the 100,000.
strange that they havent wondered to think HOW IN THE HELL AKATSUKI HAS 100,000 NINJAS??
where would that many ninjas even come from? aren't they concerned that there is some psycho, super jutsu involved in such a conundrum?
do they realize that the 100k are zetsu clones? and how well is that information spread throughout the force? does every last ninja in that army know they are up against 100,000? or only the kages and generals maybe?
and im wondering if they know ALL ALL about the edo tensei. i want to say they dont, but thats sort of strange...
tsuchikage fought the rezzed deidara... but on this page he says
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"whats with that bird and that "deidara?"
as if he knows its not deidara, but he doesnt know that it is edo tensei.
on the next page kabuto replies
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"lets say hes more or less the real thing"
here she asks "how can you still be alive?"
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as if confused as to how he could be dead, but be in front of them.
akatsuchi is like "you did survive, yay!" LOLZ IDIOT!
and then tsuchikage seems to know deidara well enough to know that this isnt the real/original deidara.
tsuchikage ends with
"maybe its looks like hes been revived by orochimaru (good guess, not too far off), or some kind of clay reanimation (WAY OFF, showing he doesnt actually know what deidara is about), thats not the real deidara"
it ends here.
im wondering if he didnt understand the ramifications of their encounter with deidara. I am thinking the stone village isnt versed up on edo tensei. and given the old man's age, maybe he forgot to mention it to the other kages when he got back. they certainly seem to be in a hurry. surely tsunade would have been well aware had she been informed. it seems to me like the konoha peeps know edo tensei well. which leads me to think that if they had been informed, they would be preparing quite a bit differently....
weird, how something so important could be overlooked...
i blame that idiot old man, tsuchikage. communication is key.
"oh btw, we fought an undead deidara and kabuto showed up and snatched yamato." ... "oh really? orochimaru's subordinate is using edo tensei? and he is in akatsuki? maybe we should do something about that?" LOL come on!
on a totally unrelated note... look at this
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"so he wasnt deidara."
tsuchikage hit kabuto and knew he wasnt madara.
as if he thought kabuto MIGHT be madara, and then felt satisfied that he wasnt infact madara after striking him... interesting to me.
and finally, the ultimate plot hole!! DUH DUH DUH!!
when raikage and killerbee kill kisame they leave his body behind.
in this chapter we see zestu black AND white seperated, picking up kisames body (which isnt kisame infact, he is in the samehada).
the plot hole here, is that we know that a ninjas body is a treasure trove of secrets...
my question:
why in the flaming hells would a RAIKAGE and a JINCHUURIKI walk away from a corpse of an akatsuki member like kisame without taking the body with them?? are they retarded?!?
imagine if you will what might have happened if they had taken that body with them to discover that it wasnt kisame at all, but that it was a zetsu clone and that they had an enemy capable of exactly copying someone right down to the chakra... THAT MIGHT BE WORTH KNOWING!! ARGH!
jiraiya snatched up a pain body, he knew at least to pay attention to that sort of thing. i guess raikage and killer bee were too busy circle-jerking each other off about their kill that they forgot to act like real ninjas. apparently darui and that other sensor turd decided not to be intelligent either...
anyways, i see that as a sort of plot hole...
on another unrelated note, i found something totally relevant to this current manga...
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he explains later that the seal is suppose to disappear after death. so the fact that kabutos summoned version has the seal makes me think. really hard. i fully expect for itachi and nagato to have their dou jutsus.
and on another entirely unrelated note, i wonder if asuma knows hes a daddy?O.O
also, about zetsu
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the white one asks the black one if he recorded the fight.
this shows us a couple things.
1. the black one is probably the only one capable of recording fights.
2. the white one doesnt know everything the black one knows.
i am under the impression that the black zetsu is the "original" zetsu, and that every single white zetsu is simply a clone of the black one.
and they dont function like a normal bunshin. i would assume this is all related to the demon statue and hashiramas dna and the creation of the white zetsu 100k army... which frankly is a mind bomb. i want more explanation from kishi as this war progresses.
sorry for the extra long post. i thought i covered some good topics though...
Cooldragon
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Maybe they thought they were up against 100,000 rogue ninjas. Then again, they probably killed most of their rogue ninjas anyway.
Hokage Uzumaki
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:ghehe:
I'll have to admit this was a good one! I love how he calls him a replacement Tobi and he doesn't even reply to it?
Anyway I'm excited to see Bee's next training with Naruto it should be interesting, hopefully and probably it's a full transformation. O.O (NarutoFoxLOL!)
It'll be pretty much all out war so I'm interested to see how Kishimoto draws large scale battles of such magnitude with different techniques and jutsu's flying around. Then again, he's never let me down so I'll wait and see.
I'll have to admit this was a good one! I love how he calls him a replacement Tobi and he doesn't even reply to it?
Anyway I'm excited to see Bee's next training with Naruto it should be interesting, hopefully and probably it's a full transformation. O.O (NarutoFoxLOL!)
It'll be pretty much all out war so I'm interested to see how Kishimoto draws large scale battles of such magnitude with different techniques and jutsu's flying around. Then again, he's never let me down so I'll wait and see.
Sennin Jinchuuriki
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Good points bro and it really is getting interesting with Kabuto. First of all he summoned someone that surprised even Madara. Then he let the shinobi alliance know of Madara's hideout and then he captures Yamato to make Zetsus stronger. From all these I can say that Kabuto is definitely not gonna help Madara I think he is going to make something like Zetsu for himself but a stronger version. He is definitely following Oro's path and wants revenge, definitely after Sasuke. But Sasuke's EMS must be one of the strongest powers in the current manga but Rinnegan is suppose to be stronger than that. Its really confusing mainly because when Kishi make us wait to see someone's powers when we finally see that power, it becomes the most powerful in the current manga looks like this time its not that straight forward.Quoting Omningan, not spoilers1. yes, completely agree with naruto's training being over. Though you should realise that most people may not have the time to read through a dozen long pages every week. I, honestly, don't read through all the long posts. Sorry, but I can't change time
2. To me it seems like that symbol shouldn't be there, or I wouldn't have shown it. They say it disappears when you die. Ofc, you can argue that, but it's my opinion.
3. I think Anko vs Kabuto will be a developed fight. Somebody usually dies from those, and it's not going to be kabuto
4. Kabuto and Naruto will probably fight. That's what kabuto suggested after orochimaru was killed. But many enemies want to fight naruto, while he's just one person that will be hidden for half of the war. how disappointing it must be...
5. The more I think about it, the more impossible the fight seems against akatsuki. especially zetsu. He turns into whoever he thinks is powerful, and confuses the enemy.
6. kabuto's defn helping madara. He wouldn't have a reason to pretend to be with him and then betray akatsuki. If he hadn't wanted to help them he could have just joined the shinobi alliance from the start.
7. I'm looking forward to either of those. Regardless of kabuto's true loyalties, this is going to be cool
8. no prob, it was a good post
Quoting scorps
Looking forward to kabuto's contributions to whoever he wishes to help. But he should realise that a massive genjutsu isn't going to help him.
The last few chapters has been good, very good actually. Gaara went from a mindless killing machine to someone with emotions. Glad to see him brought up the purpose of who changed him.
"I know how you feel so well it hurts..." - Best line ever, from Uzumaki Naruto.
Also, I like how Darui was made commander. I really like the guy since the confrontation with Sasuke at the Kage meeting.
Let's look at some point here:
Edo Tensei: Madara seems to have question on how Kabuto would control all of them but the main point here is when Kabuto said that he would only control SOME while leaving SOME alone. This could be a plot twist in many ways. It's just too obvious who will be facing who. Let's just say I can't wait to read the next chapter and the rest of it too.
My Prediction:
Kabuto's plot is simple: He'll let hell unleash in the battlefield and then slip away to confront Sasuke. The way he is doing it might actually turn some of the Edo Tensei to the alliance side... which screws up Madara's plan and distract him while he sneaks in and attack Black Zetzu, then go straight for Sasuke.
Also, I've always read the discussion from page 1 so let's look at some of people's comment:
Wood Element (Mokuton): It seems like Zetsu is made of it and it also seems like Naruto is the key to cleaning out the 100k Zetzu. How?
Naruto's next training with Bee is going to make Naruto full Fox transformation? I just wanted to know something here.. but how on earth did you ever think of something like this? The Fox REFUSE to work with Naruto so what did Naruto do? He overpowered the Fox by taking it's Chakra and sealing it with the So6P's seal (So6P seal is stronger than any seal done by an uzumaki clan). When he uses the Fox's Chakra, he turns into an elite fighting machine with incredible strength and lightning speed. Kishi made Naruto this way so don't EVEN think that he will turn into a fox like how Bee turns into an octopus. Bee is a perfect Jinnchuriki. Naruto is a long way from that.
Bee's next training is to prepare Naruto for the war. Read his speech: "Now it's time for the final part. It's gonna be sad, you're gonna feel helpless, but don't get mad, 'cuz it's time to start!"
If you don't understand this then I suggest you go through page 1 of this forum and read it again. there are a lot of great answers and predictions by a lot of people and I just feel kinda sad that people don't even read other people's post? This basically means: "preparing Naruto for the war."
Next, where's the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Hokage? They're not there, ok? Just leave them alone. This is like trying to figure out who Tobi really is... it's rediculous. Then you gotta go through wiki and find out how Edo Tensei works because it takes the soul of the living but their souls are in the death's god? I lol'd at this, really.
Kabuto ain't gonna summon more, that's all he has. He ain't gonna fight Naruto anytime soon and summon Jiraiya? (LOL). He's going straight for Sasuke and when that's done. He comes for Naruto (If Sasuke doesn't kill him). He doesn't care about what Madara do. He has the same goal as Orochimaru. (Go read the manga when Kabuto confronts Naruto/Yamato/Hinata and gives them intel on Akatsuki. Then he said he doesn't care and want Akatsuki to crumble and that he's going for Sasuke and THEN coming back to FIGHT Naruto).
So please, your questions would be answer if you pay attention to the manga as well as read some of other people's great predictions in this forum. I feel the same way and agree with Omningan.
"I know how you feel so well it hurts..." - Best line ever, from Uzumaki Naruto.
Also, I like how Darui was made commander. I really like the guy since the confrontation with Sasuke at the Kage meeting.
Let's look at some point here:
Edo Tensei: Madara seems to have question on how Kabuto would control all of them but the main point here is when Kabuto said that he would only control SOME while leaving SOME alone. This could be a plot twist in many ways. It's just too obvious who will be facing who. Let's just say I can't wait to read the next chapter and the rest of it too.
My Prediction:
Kabuto's plot is simple: He'll let hell unleash in the battlefield and then slip away to confront Sasuke. The way he is doing it might actually turn some of the Edo Tensei to the alliance side... which screws up Madara's plan and distract him while he sneaks in and attack Black Zetzu, then go straight for Sasuke.
Also, I've always read the discussion from page 1 so let's look at some of people's comment:
Wood Element (Mokuton): It seems like Zetsu is made of it and it also seems like Naruto is the key to cleaning out the 100k Zetzu. How?
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Naruto's next training with Bee is going to make Naruto full Fox transformation? I just wanted to know something here.. but how on earth did you ever think of something like this? The Fox REFUSE to work with Naruto so what did Naruto do? He overpowered the Fox by taking it's Chakra and sealing it with the So6P's seal (So6P seal is stronger than any seal done by an uzumaki clan). When he uses the Fox's Chakra, he turns into an elite fighting machine with incredible strength and lightning speed. Kishi made Naruto this way so don't EVEN think that he will turn into a fox like how Bee turns into an octopus. Bee is a perfect Jinnchuriki. Naruto is a long way from that.
Bee's next training is to prepare Naruto for the war. Read his speech: "Now it's time for the final part. It's gonna be sad, you're gonna feel helpless, but don't get mad, 'cuz it's time to start!"
If you don't understand this then I suggest you go through page 1 of this forum and read it again. there are a lot of great answers and predictions by a lot of people and I just feel kinda sad that people don't even read other people's post? This basically means: "preparing Naruto for the war."
Next, where's the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Hokage? They're not there, ok? Just leave them alone. This is like trying to figure out who Tobi really is... it's rediculous. Then you gotta go through wiki and find out how Edo Tensei works because it takes the soul of the living but their souls are in the death's god? I lol'd at this, really.
Kabuto ain't gonna summon more, that's all he has. He ain't gonna fight Naruto anytime soon and summon Jiraiya? (LOL). He's going straight for Sasuke and when that's done. He comes for Naruto (If Sasuke doesn't kill him). He doesn't care about what Madara do. He has the same goal as Orochimaru. (Go read the manga when Kabuto confronts Naruto/Yamato/Hinata and gives them intel on Akatsuki. Then he said he doesn't care and want Akatsuki to crumble and that he's going for Sasuke and THEN coming back to FIGHT Naruto).
So please, your questions would be answer if you pay attention to the manga as well as read some of other people's great predictions in this forum. I feel the same way and agree with Omningan.
jabznaruto
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omni,
wait. I did know you posted this multiple times. I know you will again, because there is no stopping you. BUT, since you addressed it directly to me…it is a different story now. I have to get you with this. and I hope you stop confusing others.
“This jutsu isn’t about to be dispersed even if I were to kill orochimaru”, this is what the 3rd (my avatar) said.
Omni, what if it meant – the jutsu is not about to be “vanished” even the 3rd (my avatar) were to kill oro?”. Meaning…somebody will be able to learn it again even oro dies. Like in the current case – kabuto knows the jutsu and even upgraded it.
What you say?...just thought you would know as well.
For those who ask re the monkey king…
Here I go,,,enma was not and not a “dead being”. The 3rd(my avatar) summoned enma the way the 4th, jiraiya and Naruto summoned gamakichi – the badass gigantic toad. I believe (if you do your research as I did a bit) enma, gamakichi et al are supernatural living beings in the other realms. Enma and gamakichi bled and got tired during battles. “this very different from edo tensei”. There are others who posted re this edo tensei and that it involved “dead bodies, spirits and wills”. Summoning jutsu of the 3rd(my avatar), the 4th, jiraiya and Naruto involved living beings – and this is by far more powerful than “edo tensei” (in my opinion). Hey, kabuto has manda2,,,right, right, manda 2 an upgrade (very much like his new boss eh).
This is the explainaton why enma lived after the 3rd(my avatar) died. Enma is a living being. I hope I make my self clear.
Btw, the 3rd never mentioned any of your retort that “killing the summoner does NOT stop edo tensei “ in the manga (please redirect me again). For this is your side of the coin…isn’t it omni?
This is the clear difference:
3rd’s summoning justu is a pure tech –permissible, even to the readers.
Kabuto’s edo tensei is “impure” and forbidden(please note impure).
I don’t think he is better now. He never has been. I dislike him because he is a “traitor”. He betrays others after his parasitic ways. And this is not okay. I recognize his skill level now – it is absurd. It’ll make me puke if I re-read the pages again. then again he amazes me as a worthy filler in the manga. Hell yeah, he did one great scene…the part sakura got hit by the 4tailed Naruto transformation kyuubi,,,kabuto healed sakura…a premonition done by a worthy filler sensing he will be done with after an explosive stint in the manga…” sakura blossoming to be a fine shinobi.”
..running away without the need to run is “pure cowardice”. He prepares for what??? Is he an intelligent coward? - this seems illogical. Clear this to me again – what a drag.
His treachery and tricks overshadows his intelligence and skills – what a waste..
Madara ran away from the 4th when they fought, madara’s retreat was one to be shinobi’s way of “fighting another day” after sensing immanent defeat.
no, kabuto is very far from madara’s level my friend.
Let us make this our “common point”. So that we can have a debate(this is absurd—debating over fictional characters – anyways, lets get it on….)
Our topic – “WHO IS MORE POWERFUL, MADARA OR KABUTO?”
No holds barred my friend. Lets quit your babbling and my ramblings.
My side: “madara”
…I really think we are finished even before we begin. At their current level??? Kabuto already refused to engage madara lately.
…I really believe I don’t have to lay down my cards…
You go first omni…
Naahhh, let me use sasuke: (because kabuto for me is only a “third fiddle” villain in the manga)
Sasuke is 2nd to madara (in my opinion)
Match this omni: sharingan w/ MS and EMS, chidori, kirin, amaterasu, susanoo, blinding speed.
Go ahead omni…
Don’t get me wrong, I only want you to know my perspective of how I identify myself to manga characters. I see that I can never be a kabuto. But from the way you react, it seems you are kabuto…are you???
Btw I liked your prediction post in the previous chapter’s forum (way to go my friend).
and, as you said “probably” he learned edo tensei from orochimaru – edo tensei that is an upgrade, and the white snake…it was a gift to oro…it can never be kabuto’s. oro is dead…by sasuke’s hands…so will kabuto ( a nice continuation eh).
“NARUTO MANGA” will go on without a kabuto. But the manga won’t …without a madara, a sasuke and a Naruto – my honest opinion. Kabuto as a character can be easily replaced, this is the main reason why I say kabuto’s role is superficial.
here, you put it nice and safe. I don’t know if you can reinforce this with other ideas..then I’ll totally agree with you.
..as far as my belief is concerned, “reincarnation” is the process by which spirits regain their “tangible” form. After the summons will-connection, the spirits will go back to where they belong “ to somewhere and someone” more powerful than kabuto or madara.
…beautiful, beautiful…don’t even think pitting your kabuto against my Naruto – this is what I call an obvious mismatch…of course Naruto enjoying an nth:1 advantage.
Yo dude!
Your questions to questions after questions scheme of clarifying things is what this manga has to offer and what makes this manga so great as it already is. – very accurate and very philosophical.
What got my attention in your post, though, is your “can tsunade make her boobs even larger!? They seem to grow with every chapter...and seem to have become very affected by gravity!!!!” – man, this is when you say “ if you have it flaunt it har har!”
I find mizukage sexier and hotter. I’m drooling now…hehe
Kabuto in this chapter amazes me.. really. But the manga’s depth declined by the way kabuto’s skills were presented. Go back to your questions,,, there are many whys than whats. It is not because I don’t like his role, but it is because we need more clarifications than vivid and creative imaginations after reading the chapter. It is not because kabuto’s skills at this stage is unacceptable to me, but it is because the skills seem to have no trace from originating thoughts, discipline and beliefs.
Re the face-offs in the battle, it will be obvious…the shinobi over the summons …the average ninja over the zetsu. This is after kabuto switched the mode of the dead bodies as zombie like killing machines without the cognizance of who they are.
I see no death among the kages…
Dude, omni got me busy there…you are invited to join our debate as a judge if you want.
But hold your horses; it is just a friendly one….
im really glad you decided to join. thanks for reading my posts and joining so you could reply. i look forward to your input.
youre right. i sort of was forgetting that the kages are aware that the akatsuki forces number in the 100,000.
strange that they havent wondered to think HOW IN THE HELL AKATSUKI HAS 100,000 NINJAS??
where would that many ninjas even come from? aren't they concerned that there is some psycho, super jutsu involved in such a conundrum?
do they realize that the 100k are zetsu clones? and how well is that information spread throughout the force? does every last ninja in that army know they are up against 100,000? or only the kages and generals maybe?
and im wondering if they know ALL ALL about the edo tensei. i want to say they dont, but thats sort of strange...
tsuchikage fought the rezzed deidara... but on this page he says
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"whats with that bird and that "deidara?"
as if he knows its not deidara, but he doesnt know that it is edo tensei.
on the next page kabuto replies
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"lets say hes more or less the real thing"
here she asks "how can you still be alive?"
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as if confused as to how he could be dead, but be in front of them.
akatsuchi is like "you did survive, yay!" LOLZ IDIOT!
and then tsuchikage seems to know deidara well enough to know that this isnt the real/original deidara.
tsuchikage ends with
"maybe its looks like hes been revived by orochimaru (good guess, not too far off), or some kind of clay reanimation (WAY OFF, showing he doesnt actually know what deidara is about), thats not the real deidara"
it ends here.
im wondering if he didnt understand the ramifications of their encounter with deidara. I am thinking the stone village isnt versed up on edo tensei. and given the old man's age, maybe he forgot to mention it to the other kages when he got back. they certainly seem to be in a hurry. surely tsunade would have been well aware had she been informed. it seems to me like the konoha peeps know edo tensei well. which leads me to think that if they had been informed, they would be preparing quite a bit differently....
weird, how something so important could be overlooked...
i blame that idiot old man, tsuchikage. communication is key.
"oh btw, we fought an undead deidara and kabuto showed up and snatched yamato." ... "oh really? orochimaru's subordinate is using edo tensei? and he is in akatsuki? maybe we should do something about that?" LOL come on!
on a totally unrelated note... look at this
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"so he wasnt deidara."
tsuchikage hit kabuto and knew he wasnt madara.
as if he thought kabuto MIGHT be madara, and then felt satisfied that he wasnt infact madara after striking him... interesting to me.
and finally, the ultimate plot hole!! DUH DUH DUH!!
when raikage and killerbee kill kisame they leave his body behind.
in this chapter we see zestu black AND white seperated, picking up kisames body (which isnt kisame infact, he is in the samehada).
the plot hole here, is that we know that a ninjas body is a treasure trove of secrets...
my question:
why in the flaming hells would a RAIKAGE and a JINCHUURIKI walk away from a corpse of an akatsuki member like kisame without taking the body with them?? are they retarded?!?
imagine if you will what might have happened if they had taken that body with them to discover that it wasnt kisame at all, but that it was a zetsu clone and that they had an enemy capable of exactly copying someone right down to the chakra... THAT MIGHT BE WORTH KNOWING!! ARGH!
jiraiya snatched up a pain body, he knew at least to pay attention to that sort of thing. i guess raikage and killer bee were too busy circle-jerking each other off about their kill that they forgot to act like real ninjas. apparently darui and that other sensor turd decided not to be intelligent either...
anyways, i see that as a sort of plot hole...
on another unrelated note, i found something totally relevant to this current manga...
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he explains later that the seal is suppose to disappear after death. so the fact that kabutos summoned version has the seal makes me think. really hard. i fully expect for itachi and nagato to have their dou jutsus.
and on another entirely unrelated note, i wonder if asuma knows hes a daddy?O.O
also, about zetsu
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the white one asks the black one if he recorded the fight.
this shows us a couple things.
1. the black one is probably the only one capable of recording fights.
2. the white one doesnt know everything the black one knows.
i am under the impression that the black zetsu is the "original" zetsu, and that every single white zetsu is simply a clone of the black one.
and they dont function like a normal bunshin. i would assume this is all related to the demon statue and hashiramas dna and the creation of the white zetsu 100k army... which frankly is a mind bomb. i want more explanation from kishi as this war progresses.
sorry for the extra long post. i thought i covered some good topics though...
Lol i guess tchuchikage is senile in his old age... But yes, it would seem that kishi overlooks some points in order to become easier to make the plot work.
Black zetsu and white zetsu... Kabuto referred to them in the last chapter as "the black and white zetsu" giving the impression that it's actually only one... Zetsu was created by madara...white part seems to have come from harashisama... and the black part? and by the way, how can madara create life? I mean, only the 1st could and even so it was vegetable life...simpler if compared to a "ninja" (or whatever zetsu is...). Hum...so many questions...lol
As for the hyuga seal, it disapears uppon death sealing the byakugan...that's a fact. it's his objective. It's a physical thing in their bodies and it seals the abilities in the corpse. Since edotensei summons the soul (and not he original corpse) and since he had the seal at the moment of death, since it appears in his forhead maybe it can still be activated again. However don't forget that a technique has to be used so that the sacrificial bodies used have the same appearance as they had in life. Orochimaru explains it. Otherwise they would look like corpses...lol So maybe that seal isn't a seal. It can be there just because the tech copies the look he had when he died.
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