[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 509 Discussion/ 510 Predictions

[House]

Oh, and I think Madara has only one sharingan available. The left Sharingan is probably closed forever because he used Izanagi when he fought Hashirama. That's just what I think though...I want to know how he was able to get the eyes of Rikudou...Did he travel in time or something? xD

*shakes hands with you, agreeing on left sharingan*
I have to agree on with you on this one. As Danzo used this tech. Madara had just to think like for 1-2 min. and he allready knew what Tech. was it. I think this would make the most sense that why he's hiding his left eyes always. Or his face was caught like Kakashi's back then
So after EMS the next eye is Rinnegan to upgrade your eyes?
wtf, you have to kill your best friend, you have to get your brother's eyes, and you have to find a guy with a Rinnegan to be perfect? So Badass. and as I said earlier in another post, I wonder how's sharingan going to look after the Rinnegan was inplanted.

 

[Inception]

Yea ive been thinking the same also. Hes connect to zetsu some how. Rember when killerbee and his brother had chopped of kisame head off. And it was a just a clone that zetsu made. But its no ordinary clone. Like a living being itself. And also madara said in his own words i am just a former shell of myself. And clones arnt as strong as the actual person in its orginally body. Zetsu is playing a major role in madaras survival and thats y hes been around so and is one of the original akatsuki thats living.

My theory is kind like this but the thing we have to take into account is when Kisame 1st meets Madara he looks exactly like he did when he fought the 1st & of course when he fought with the 4th he had a different body so somewhere in that middle he changed bodies the question is why would Madara change his look or body since he did not change it right after his fight with the 1st

& my theory is Madara decided to extract the 3tails from the Mizukage & he summoned Gedo Mazo not knowing what happens to the 1 that summons it i think it drained him like it did Nagato & his body was useless after that i think Zetsu keep him alive after that & i think Zetsu recovered another body for him 1st but maybe like Orochimaru he had to keep switching bodies or he just wanted a more powerful body or at least a body of an Uchiha & maybe Zetsu did recover Obito's body & thats who Madara is in now & the dimensional powers Madara has may be Obito's MS ability since it's kinda similar to what Kakashi can do.

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Zetsu did not know of Tobi's secret when Sasori was killed. Maybe the other half did but one of them is clueless and since Zetsu is complete only when both are together; Zetsu himself was unaware of Madara's existence back then as far as we know.

Furthermore, Since Kisame was the last to know of Tobi's identity, maybe he let Zetsu on his secret before Itachi vs. Sasuke fight. Maybe even right after Tobi became an official Akatsuki member.

Your theories do not make sense if I'm right. One thing is clear, Zetsu is as mysterious as they come. Something tells me that he has a major role in Akatsuki. Perhaps he is the one who heals Madara's wounds? So far, all his abilities impressed me.

 

[minatoisagod]

I agree, all of the Akatsuki members were interesting. Tobi has to be my least favourite. He seems too overpowered. I'm happy that Konan managed to damage him this much. I was hoping for Kisame to escape the island and be there on Akatsuki's side for the war but I guess he'll return as a zombie like the rest of the Akatsuki. I'm waiting to see how Madara reacts when he hears about Kisame's death. Will he be cold-hearted or does he actually care about the people who work for him? Only Zetsu is remaining and there's a lot of mystery surrounding him.

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Konan surprised everyone. The flashbacks take up too much space and they always tend to foreshadow a death. Hopefully she doesn't die and leads the Rain village army during the war. Sakura can learn a thing or two from her instead of crying all the time about Sasuke. I can say the same for Naruto; forget Sasuke, he's good as dead.

for sure. But we all know that Naruto won't get off sasuke's **** for some reason and Sakura will always be useless until she sacrifices her life for something significant or so but hey one can only dream. Well i guess Zetsu must be insanely powerful then since he is the last member in a way.

But you do have a point about the sasuke thing i mean even if naruto does manage to save him how can he live back in the village when everyone hates him now. Its best he dies for real

 

[Warlock Tigerwolf]

ummm, why is everyone on this whole "Madara gave Nagato the Rinnenegan" band wagon? Has anyone managed to keep up with all the lies he's told various characters through the whole manga? I'm sorry, but come on, seriously, we all know Tobi (Madara if you absolutely insist) never tells the whole truth to anyone, except maybe, just possibly, there's the slightest chance zetsu may know SOME of the whole truth.

 

[House]

ummm, why is everyone on this whole "Madara gave Nagato the Rinnenegan" band wagon? Has anyone managed to keep up with all the lies he's told various characters through the whole manga? I'm sorry, but come on, seriously, we all know Tobi (Madara if you absolutely insist) never tells the whole truth to anyone, except maybe, just possibly, there's the slightest chance zetsu may know SOME of the whole truth.

Everybody lies.

 

[JSW]

Yea ive been thinking the same also. Hes connect to zetsu some how. Rember when killerbee and his brother had chopped of kisame head off. And it was a just a clone that zetsu made. But its no ordinary clone. Like a living being itself. And also madara said in his own words i am just a former shell of myself. And clones arnt as strong as the actual person in its orginally body. Zetsu is playing a major role in madaras survival and thats y hes been around so and is one of the original akatsuki thats living.

right right... i been thinking about that too. the whole zetsu being able to make an exact replica(even chakra) thing has been stuck in my mind too.... this isnt a theory because i havent sat down and REALLY thought about it yet. so this is more like a shot in the dark,so to speak...
the two zetsus( black& white) have separate consciousness, or so it seems, and it's the white one (i think) that does the cloning thing that he did with kisame. SO, i think ultimately zetsu is the head honcho.lol... well, at least the black side is(maybe), because if you look here it seems as though "madara" is reporting to him.

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and again i say that it looks like "madara" repairs himself with some "zetsu looking thing"

observe(again)lol-

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<- first panel

so there you go... i dont really know where to go from there but thats what ive gathered so far... and this doesnt go against the possibility that he (tobi) really is madara. he could be an exact replica with the consciousness and chakra as madara that zetsu made, which would allow madaras real body to be in the sixth coffin of kabuto's, and his mind to be in tobi. <-uhh idk if that made sense.lol.
i dont believe this to be the case, im just speculating is all.

all that said, the ONLY thing that im certain of is Zetsu being the key to this RIDICULOUS puzzle.

EDIT: i would also like to add that zetsu, although he comes out of the ground and "madara" just pops the F up, kinda has the same space/time? tech that this so called "madara" likes to use( the ONLY tech he uses). <- that is irrelevant to the rest of my comment tho.

 

[cryhwks]

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Zetsu did not know of Tobi's secret when Sasori was killed. Maybe the other half did but one of them is clueless and since Zetsu is complete only when both are together; Zetsu himself was unaware of Madara's existence back then as far as we know.

Furthermore, Since Kisame was the last to know of Tobi's identity, maybe he let Zetsu on his secret before Itachi vs. Sasuke fight. Maybe even right after Tobi became an official Akatsuki member.

Your theories do not make sense if I'm right. One thing is clear, Zetsu is as mysterious as they come. Something tells me that he has a major role in Akatsuki. Perhaps he is the one who heals Madara's wounds? So far, all his abilities impressed me.

Ok maybe Zetsu did not help get a new body but i still believe the reason he needed a new body is he tried to summon Gedo Mazo & like you said who know's when black half & the white half 1st fused together

 

[Hot.Tendo]

I know Konan can make a hell lot of paper... but seriously! an ocean?! O___O

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Great chapter!!!

Lots of mysteries!!!
1. How and Why does Madara gave rinnegan to Nagato?
2. What is this association between Yahiko and Madara?
3. What is "that" jutsu?
4. Who is the "young man with powerful eyes" that the Great Toad Sage mentioned?
5. Is Tobi really Madara?
6. Who was inside the last Kabuto coffin?
7. What was the Itachi gift to Naruto?
8. Where are Suigetsu and Jugo?
9. Which one Naruto is going to choose, Sakura or Hinata? lol.

Number four should be obvious as even Naruto knows it. It's Sasuke. He's the only "young" man with powerful eyes. Kakashi is rather young, but he only has a powerful EYE.

On number one. Madara could also be bullshitting. Madara has a PhD in Bullshitology.

 

[Jonesy161]

Kind of obvious that Madara will get Nagato's eyes one way or another. I wonder what he'll do with them though? Did he really give Nagato the eyes? I don't see how he would have even had them in the first place to give them to Nagato. I'm sure he's bluffing to get Konan on edge, make it easier to catch her. I can understand though of him making Yahiko start Akatsuki, that part seems reasonable.

 

[Hot.Tendo]

If Madara had the Rinnegan... why didn't he transplanted it on his own body in the first place?
he's lying... and I don't think Konan is buying any of his bullshit...

 

[silenceofthelambs]

A great chapter on Kishimoto's part. It seems like the mysteries surrounding Madara only increase as each new chapter is released to the manga readers; he has manipulated almost every negative thing that has happened in the Naruto world, and it only serves to further the amount of people that want to kill him once and for all. But he's gotten away many times, and in my opinion it will happen again. Konan has shown impressive abilities in this chapter, and I think she should be commended for being able to injure Madara so heavily, a sign that she is much more powerful than many seem to think.

As for Madara's statement that he encouraged Yahiko to create Akatsuki, and gave Nagato the Rinnegan, I think he is indeed telling the truth, though the circumstances surrounding these events will have to be revealed to see exactly what was going on then. But in any case, a wonderful chapter 509.

 

[JSW]

READ MY LAST PREVIOUS POST!
noway i did all that typing to get stiffed... lol
na seriously tho, i need some feedback so i can critique this theory bouncing around in my head. thanks
-jsw

 

[mjtuvok]

Who knew that Konan had that in her! Love that she outsmarted madara with his teleportation & the whole ocean is made of paper, so awesome!!


I don't believe what madara said, that he gave Nagato the Rinningan, that would contradict the story of how Nagato's Rinningan was awakened when he killed the Konoha ninja who killed his parents.

I really like what she said about Madara being pure darkness, Sasuke is turning into that. It creates a great metaphor of Naruto being pure light, fighting the pure darkness. Almost as if the Rikodu Senin split himself into Darkness/Light or Ying/Yang and the two sides have been fighting on for eternity ... that's wild!

Who knew that Konan had that in her! Love that she outsmarted madara with his teleportation & the whole ocean is made of paper, so awesome!!

I don't believe what madara said, that he gave Nagato the Rinningan, that would contradict the story of how Nagato's Rinningan was awakened when he killed the Konoha ninja who killed his parents.


Not really a contradiction....if you consider that he could have been given the eyes early in childhood BEFORE his parents were killed as an experiment or implanted ...think OROCHIMARU STYLE as in a Genetic alteration... remember that is exactly how Captain Yamato got his power of Moukton (wood element) no other ninja since the 1st hokage had that power. So if somehow it was mixed in his DNA (by Madara) or something like that then it would not be a far stretch for Madara to say "I gave him the rinnegan".

 

[khaydz5]

right right... i been thinking about that too. the whole zetsu being able to make an exact replica(even chakra) thing has been stuck in my mind too.... this isnt a theory because i havent sat down and REALLY thought about it yet. so this is more like a shot in the dark,so to speak...
the two zetsus( black& white) have separate consciousness, or so it seems, and it's the white one (i think) that does the cloning thing that he did with kisame. SO, i think ultimately zetsu is the head honcho.lol... well, at least the black side is(maybe), because if you look here it seems as though "madara" is reporting to him.



and again i say that it looks like "madara" repairs himself with some "zetsu looking thing"

observe(again)lol- <- first panel

so there you go... i dont really know where to go from there but thats what ive gathered so far... and this doesnt go against the possibility that he (tobi) really is madara. he could be an exact replica with the consciousness and chakra as madara that zetsu made, which would allow madaras real body to be in the sixth coffin of kabuto's, and his mind to be in tobi. <-uhh idk if that made sense.lol.
i dont believe this to be the case, im just speculating is all.

all that said, the ONLY thing that im certain of is Zetsu being the key to this RIDICULOUS puzzle.

EDIT: i would also like to add that zetsu, although he comes out of the ground and "madara" just pops the F up, kinda has the same space/time? tech that this so called "madara" likes to use( the ONLY tech he uses). <- that is irrelevant to the rest of my comment tho.

agreed, i do believe zetsu plays a major role on this whole "madara" mystery. maybe they just hide the truth to other akatsuki members by playing as tobi and zetsu riding it all the way.


for the chapter... so epic seeing konan damaged madara that heavily.i knew she's very much underestimated coz she's not fighting from the previous manga and she was stopped by jiraiya with just oil. but i think if she really wants to fight j-man she can't be stopped by that oil jiraiya threw. she's hesitant to fight j-man that's why pain had to do it for her.

as for madara's identity, i think he really is madara BUT has the body of OBITO. anyone would agree that his features are very much the same as obito's. that would also explain why he is shocked seeing who's inside the last coffin kabuto summoned.. i bet its madara's real body.

 

[khaydz5]

A great chapter on Kishimoto's part. It seems like the mysteries surrounding Madara only increase as each new chapter is released to the manga readers; he has manipulated almost every negative thing that has happened in the Naruto world, and it only serves to further the amount of people that want to kill him once and for all. But he's gotten away many times, and in my opinion it will happen again. Konan has shown impressive abilities in this chapter, and I think she should be commended for being able to injure Madara so heavily, a sign that she is much more powerful than many seem to think.

As for Madara's statement that he encouraged Yahiko to create Akatsuki, and gave Nagato the Rinnegan, I think he is indeed telling the truth, though the circumstances surrounding these events will have to be revealed to see exactly what was going on then. But in any case, a wonderful chapter 509.

i think madara meant when he say he gave nagato the eye is that he made nagato awaken it..

 

[plushy]

hmm to be honest i think konans is def gonna die but madra is gonna find the renagon through turtore!!!!!! and as for who kill him id love for a bad ass sasuke team up with naruto. but the odds of that happning are slim and none since sasuke is pritty much the most evile charecter on the roster but u never know hahaha ^_^

 

[astridian]

is he realy Madara Uchiha?

 

[astridian]

hmm to be honest i think konans is def gonna die but madra is gonna find the renagon through turtore!!!!!! and as for who kill him id love for a bad ass sasuke team up with naruto. but the odds of that happning are slim and none since sasuke is pritty much the most evile charecter on the roster but u never know hahaha ^_^

may be madara cast a genjutsu!

 

[kisamexRocks]

If Madara had the Rinnegan... why didn't he transplanted it on his own body in the first place?
he's lying... and I don't think Konan is buying any of his bullshit...

Could be because Madara could not be linked with that Statue that seals Tailed beasts. And Nagato was able to be linked with it.