[Predictions] Naruto Manga 507 Discussion and 508 Predictions

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Maybe I did in a way, I didn't clarify that Itachi would have to actually hit Madara which is important too as Madara is very fast and could probably just warp himself/Itachi elsewhere.
Exactly. You talked about Madara vs Itachi not Itachi vs Juubi, and definitely didn't say Itachi is invincible.

Anyway. Yes Madara is fast, but Itachi was not slow either. There will always be some counters to every capability. Example, as of now Kishi has told us 5 counters to 9 tails, SO6P's way, Mokuton, Sharingan, Special Chakras, and Sealing.

Madara can't win in a battle if he doesn't strike, but if he strikes he risks of being hit. Minato showed us that it's possible to make Madara solid by putting a seal on Madara. So far that was the only way Kishi showed us to beat Madara. At least there are 2 other ways that Kishi has not shown us, the 1st Hokage's way and the Kirigakure's way. Let's take Minato's way a step further. It will need someone very adept at creating barriers and seals to do it, you must put the barriers and seals that make Madara solid within the battleground. The rest will depend on the capabilities of the combatants.

As far as we know so far, there were no damages being inflicted by Madara's warp. It simply sends the object to another place. The counter to this I think is simple if you have a contract or if you has space/time jutsu. If you have a contract then you can simply reverse summon yourself. But of course it's much better if you don't get caught by it in the 1st place.
 
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Madara is the master of the Sharingan. He was the first person to awaken both the Mangekyou and Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, so any Sharingan user that goes up against him is most likely at a significant disadvantage. Madara has the best understanding of how the doujutsu works, so I don't think it would be entirely fair to say Madara would not stand a chance against Itachi.

Also, ever since Madara's loss to Hashirama Senju at the Valley of the End, although he claims to be powerless, we probably still have not seen the extent of his power. Also, about Madara's fight with Minato, apparently many people convienently forget that Madara was also controlling the Nine-Tailed Fox before heading into battle with the Fourth Hokage, so that probably took a good amount of his power as well. Not to mention he was fighting a fully-powered Minato as well. If Madara had called the Nine-Tails over to fight Minato instead of letting it continue its destruction of Konoha, I'd say there would be very little Minato would be able to do, for the simple reason that he does not possess Mokuton techniques like Hashirama did when suppressing the fox. Yes, the fact that Madara was defeated does not change, but even still, I wonder how different the results would have been had Madara actually used the Nine-Tails to fight the Fourth.
Hi, I wrote to you on previous thread but you didnt replay:(
But anyway I respect you and think you are one of the best analytics here so my question to you is!!! Do you really honestly beleive 102% that under the mask is Madara not any other fellow but Madara??
So please let me know your thoughts!!!
Thank you
 

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Hi, I wrote to you on previous thread but you didnt replay:(
But anyway I respect you and think you are one of the best analytics here so my question to you is!!! Do you really honestly beleive 102% that under the mask is Madara not any other fellow but Madara??
So please let me know your thoughts!!!
Thank you
Madara is madara...
 

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Exactly. You talked about Madara vs Itachi not Itachi vs Juubi, and definitely didn't say Itachi is invincible.

Anyway. Yes Madara is fast, but Itachi was not slow either. There will always be some counters to every capability. Example, as of now Kishi has told us 5 counters to 9 tails, SO6P's way, Mokuton, Sharingan, Special Chakras, and Sealing.

Madara can't win in a battle if he doesn't strike, but if he strikes he risks of being hit. Minato showed us that it's possible to make Madara solid by putting a seal on Madara. So far that was the only way Kishi showed us to beat Madara. At least there are 2 other ways that Kishi has not shown us, the 1st Hokage's way and the Kirigakure's way. Let's take Minato's way a step further. It will need someone very adept at creating barriers and seals to do it, you must put the barriers and seals that make Madara solid within the battleground. The rest will depend on the capabilities of the combatants.

As far as we know so far, there were no damages being inflicted by Madara's warp. It simply sends the object to another place. The counter to this I think is simple if you have a contract or if you has space/time jutsu. If you have a contract then you can simply reverse summon yourself. But of course it's much better if you don't get caught by it in the 1st place.
Dont know why people analys the fight itachi vs madara of course madara is better he is a living legend he fight with 1st kage itachi already dead if he fight with 1st kage...

this is itachi!!!!

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Yeah... true.. it's possible Gai let him live so they could get information...

Kisame has been described as the 0 tailed beast before! xD As for the scroll... it probably only has info on the location... naruto's development... the room they were in... etc... stuff only useful to the enemy! :)


Yeah I think this was mentioned somewhere before that the Mizukage was being controlled... Hmm maybe at the summit?!

Bit of a random question... Does anyone think Naruto will get his cloak back again? Or was it just one of those singe battle outfits... Like how sasuke wore akatsuki robes for the fight against KB, then followed by Naruto wearing the cloak to fight Pein!...

I really think it's time Naruto got a new badass outfit to match his new kickassness!

Actually, there is a 0-tails, in the Naruto Shippuden movie "Bonds," Nauto fight the 0-tails...
 

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Dont know why people analys the fight itachi vs madara of course madara is better he is a living legend he fight with 1st kage itachi already dead if he fight with 1st kage...
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Isn't Madara supposed to be a shell of his former self after his fight with the 1st? If he has truly lost some of his power (let's say half of it) I don't see how Itachi wouldn't be on par with him, after all we all saw how strong Itachi is (Uchiha clan massacre), true a full powered Madara would probably not take long to finish him off, but now when he is a shell of his former self that is not so sure :)
 

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I think Kisame will kill himself so they can't get any more info from him... also some interesting information from his past in this chapter...
I really thought he had died. But then I re-thought about it.... Hemay gets away because he destroyed his bindings. However, he has serious bleeding (it hurts a lot to bite your tongue, it can lead to death), so even if he tries he may gets caught.
 

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I think it's useless trying to say what's gonna happen to Kisame, he could grab Samehada and drain somebody's chakra and thus heal himself, it's up to Kishi to decide to have him killed/sacrificed/escape
 

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Hi, I wrote to you on previous thread but you didnt replay:(
But anyway I respect you and think you are one of the best analytics here so my question to you is!!! Do you really honestly beleive 102% that under the mask is Madara not any other fellow but Madara??
So please let me know your thoughts!!!
Thank you
My apologies for not replying to you. I don't know how I could have missed it. But yes, I do think the masked man from Akatsuki is indeed Madara Uchiha because not only have several characters referred to him as such, as well as the man himself, Kakashi also said "considering his plan, I doubt it could be anyone else." No one with as much as control of the ninja world as Madara would actually push towards the Moon's Eye Plan, though Pain did have a goal of similar implications. And who else would have such extensive knowledge on Konoha's founding, the beginning of Uchiha and Senju (and both's destined paths that they will permanently walk), as well as the Sage of the Six Paths, that very few people know or have knew about (except for Jiraiya, Kakashi who thought he didn't exist, Nagato, and Madara).

However, even with all these points, Kishimoto has a tendency to create twists of the most interesting category in his story, so it could be that this mysterious figure of Akatsuki is someone else entirely. The way I think of it as such: the masked man of Akatsuki is Madara unless proven otherwise.
 
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Wow, this chapter was kinda sad. We finally found out about Kisame's past. So it looks like he was always a killer, but he killed for reasons that he thought were good. He's not really a bad character, he's just being used. he never fit in anywhere... he just wanted someone to trust, and a world with no lies. Is that so bad? But Madara completely used him, turning him into a psychopath who was devoted to protecting Akatsuki and the moon's eye plan. He wanted Madara's perfect world... he wanted a place where he belonged, but he couldn't realize that Madara was using him every step of the way. And now he'd rather die than give any info to Naruto that would hurt Madara. We've seen this before with first Haku being used by Zabuza, and then with Kimimaru being used by Orochimaru. Except this time, the person controlling Kisame couldn't care less about him... poor Kisame.
 

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what if there is someone out there dat hasnt been mentioned yet but has the ability to a absorb a persons memory and partial abilities as well. he could have absords the real madaras memory before he died,that might explain who might b in cofin kabuto opened.
 
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