[Predictions] Naruto Manga 505 Discussion and 506 Predictions

[mjtuvok]

Don't know why you're trying to stop the inevitable cause it will still happen anyway. But i respect you for trying

wheres the fun in that! The whole reason people get on these boards is to ARGUE or debate something.. Personally I get a kick outta reading the post. most of the times Im cracking up laughing at the absurd things people say and think they know. Most of them appear to not be deep thinkers and have limited memories(meaning cant keep the whole story/big picture in mind), Not trying to insult everyone just that you have to remember some of these are folks are just kids and then others are just _________well whatever you want to call them.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Silenceofthelambs I have never really got why people dislike your arguments....until now. I like reading most of your arguments and most of your interpretations of the manga are, in my perspective, right, but sometimes....damm, you're so thick. (sorry)

I just...god...

Ok...so it just HAPPENED that every Hokage (and kage) so far has been the strongest ninja in their village...it's just...coincidence. Right? That's your overall message. It's coincidence.

I understand that love passion and determination are problably 50% of what a kage has to be. I agree. But don't say that that's enough. It's stupid to think its like that. A kage has to to love and be willing to protect the village against everyone...but he has to be CAPABLE of doing so. And for that he/she needs to be powerfull, strong, wise and have great knowledge. That's the fact. Even if you don't want to agnowledge that, all the kages in the series so far only prove that you need power. You need to be strong. Or, even with all the will in the world, you won't be able to protect or do anything to save your village when a strong foe comes your way.

Tsunade, when she was named hokage WAS the strongest ninja in the village. Jiraya was the other one strong or stronger than her. And she proved that when she saved the villagers in the pain battle.


But I'll explain something that you don't seem to understand. What's a strong ninja?

1st- Will power/determination/goals/spirit
2nd- Talent
3rd- Unique caracteristics (huge chakra, great chakra control. gekkey kenkai, etc)
4th- Inteligence/wisdom

And all this can mean something more than just firepower. For example, madara who you love so much, until now hasn't shown a single strong attack move and we all agree that he's a strong ninja. He has all of the above. Tsunade, even with her superstrengh, doesn't have a "super attack", but she is powerfull as she is the only ninja capable of doing what she did and capable of saving all the people that she saved. She has all of the above.

So if you read in my words that a strong ninja is someone who has great firepower, it isn't. A strong ninja can for example use techniques like sealing and healing that are difficult to master and still not be strong in battle. But a strong ninja has to have some bigger power than others. He has to have.

Take iruka for example. He loves the village. A lot. But could he become hokage? never. He's an average, normal ninja, with no outstanding techniques in any area. He isn't strong.

Its simple. Sorry to burst your bubble but you're wrong on this one.

Power. So eventually that's what it all comes down to. Do you think it is really defined by the number of techniques a person knows? And it is just as important as love, faith, and determination to become Hokage?

Fine, I'll go along with your opinion, but what you're trying to tell me is that only the most powerful ninja in the village can be selected for Hokage, and that's how it's always going to be? That the one choosing a successor can only reach with their eyes far enough to look at those with the most power?

So, somebody like Shikamaru, with an intelligence greater than that of Kakashi's, will never have the ability to become Hokage, simply because he isn't the most powerful ninja in the village? Is that really what it comes down to?

Your words remind me of Neji's, back during the Chunin Exams when fighting with Naruto, that only those destined are set for the great things that lay ahead. Let's repeat one more time, strongest ninja in the village = Hokage. That's absolutely wonderful. Why does the Council of Fire even have dicussions as to who the next Hokage will be? Get the most powerful Shinobi up there, inaugurate him, and it's done. Practical, saves time, don't you think?

If it's like that, then the title of Hokage never meant much anyways. Well, it's fine, it's obvious that you're too smart for a thick-headed person like me. I apologize for my immense lack of intelligence, and for troubling you, most importantly. Of course you are correct.

 

[minatoisagod]

wheres the fun in that! The whole reason people get on these boards is to ARGUE or debate something.. Personally I get a kick outta reading the post. most of the times Im cracking up laughing at the absurd things people say and think they know. Most of them appear to not be deep thinkers and have limited memories(meaning cant keep the whole story/big picture in mind), Not trying to insult everyone just that you have to remember some of these are folks are just kids and then others are just _________well whatever you want to call them.

i agree but i just like to congratulate people for trying lol

 

[minatoisagod]

Power. So eventually that's what it all comes down to. Do you think it is really defined by the number of techniques a person knows? And it is just as important as love, faith, and determination to become Hokage?

Fine, I'll go along with your opinion, but what you're trying to tell me is that only the most powerful ninja in the village can be selected for Hokage, and that's how it's always going to be? That the one choosing a successor can only reach with their eyes far enough to look at those with the most power?

So, somebody like Shikamaru, with an intelligence greater than that of Kakashi's, will never have the ability to become Hokage, simply because he isn't the most powerful ninja in the village? Is that really what it comes down to?

Your words remind me of Neji's, back during the Chunin Exams when fighting with Naruto, that only those destined are set for the great things that lay ahead. Let's repeat one more time, strongest ninja in the village = Hokage. That's absolutely wonderful. Why does the Council of Fire even have dicussions as to who the next Hokage will be? Get the most powerful Shinobi up there, inaugurate him, and it's done. Practical, saves time, don't you think?

If it's like that, then the title of Hokage never meant much anyways. Well, it's fine, it's obvious that you're too smart for a thick-headed person like me. I apologize for my immense lack of intelligence, and for troubling you, most importantly. Of course you are correct.

LOLOLOLOLLOL sarcasm it fun. I do think the kage title never really meant much but it does to most people in the manga.

 

[Regulus]

Power. So eventually that's what it all comes down to. Do you think it is really defined by the number of techniques a person knows? And it is just as important as love, faith, and determination to become Hokage?

Fine, I'll go along with your opinion, but what you're trying to tell me is that only the most powerful ninja in the village can be selected for Hokage, and that's how it's always going to be? That the one choosing a successor can only reach with their eyes far enough to look at those with the most power?

So, somebody like Shikamaru, with an intelligence greater than that of Kakashi's, will never have the ability to become Hokage, simply because he isn't the most powerful ninja in the village? Is that really what it comes down to?

Your words remind me of Neji's, back during the Chunin Exams when fighting with Naruto, that only those destined are set for the great things that lay ahead. Let's repeat one more time, strongest ninja in the village = Hokage. That's absolutely wonderful. Why does the Council of Fire even have dicussions as to who the next Hokage will be? Get the most powerful Shinobi up there, inaugurate him, and it's done. Practical, saves time, don't you think?

If it's like that, then the title of Hokage never meant much anyways. Well, it's fine, it's obvious that you're too smart for a thick-headed person like me. I apologize for my immense lack of intelligence, and for troubling you, most importantly. Of course you are correct.

So youre trying to say it is only coincedencfe that all HOkages have been powerful, they need love for the village but they also need power to protect the village they love

 

[silenceofthelambs]

The title of Hokage is supposed to be given to the strongest strongest ninja in the village. Tsunade at the time she was chosen was the strongest ninja in the village. Jiraiya was going to be chosen(because he was the strongest), but he declined. Now we have Naruto and Kakashi who are both likely stronger than Tsunade. Kakashi was going to be chosen as Hokage and would have likley chosen Naruto next. It is said many times throughout the manga that the title of Hokage is given to the strongest ninja in the village. This ninja must also posses a strong "will of fire", but so does every person in the village. That is what makes the leaf village so strong. Every ninja has a strong "will of fire" and will do whatever it takes to protect the village.

Orochimaru was not stronger than Minato either. Minato was considered by many to be the strongest Hokage. Orochimaru is not stronger than any of the Hokage's(when he fought Hiruzen he was like 80).

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That makes it pretty clear that they believe the 4th hokage is stronger. Naruto may not even stand a chance against Minato with his FTG tech.

Also, you don't have to resort to being disrespectful to yondaimeminato when your argument is not working. You seem to look at Madara as if he is a God. If he majorly flawed than surely Minato must be also. There is no way someone can be much stronger than him right?

You too, along with scorps, are correct. That means everyone in the past, who has tried to become Hokage, had their dreams crushed because of an inevitability that they would never be able to become the strongest ninja of their village. What are people chasing, then? Essentially, the title of Hokage is something reserved only for those who are destined to become one. It turns out Neji was right, destiny rules people's lives, doesn't it? Neji was destined to lose to Naruto because he was the son of the Fourth Hokage. Even Rock Lee's determination the size of the Nine-Tailed Fox will never get him to the title of Hokage, isn't that right? That's the one thing that will never be attainable by anyone, because they are not the most powerful in the village.

"Orochimaru was not stronger than Minato either." You take this off a statement Anko said that has nothing to do with the subject? Anko only said that she wished the Fourth were alive to fight Orochimaru today, not "the Fourth is stronger than Orochimaru." Where did you deduce such a conclusion? Next, "Minato was considered by many to be the strongest Hokage." How many people have considered or now hold Minato as the most powerful of Hokages? Would it be too much trouble to ask you to find some proof of these words? Just because Anko wanted Minato to fight Orochimaru does not mean he is the most powerful Hokage. His early death was why Anko wanted him to face Orochimaru today. He had an enormous untapped potential due to the fact he died in his twenties, but that's all it's going to remain, unfortunately.

 

[JMAN]

You too, along with scorps, are correct. That means everyone in the past, who has tried to become Hokage, had their dreams crushed because of an inevitability that they would never be able to become the strongest ninja of their village. What are people chasing, then? Essentially, the title of Hokage is something reserved only for those who are destined to become one. It turns out Neji was right, destiny rules people's lives, doesn't it? Neji was destined to lose because Naruto was the son of the Fourth Hokage. Even Rock Lee's determination the size of the Nine-Tailed Fox will never get him to the the title of Hokage, isn't that right? That's the one thing that will never be attainable by anyone, because they are not the most powerful in the village.

"Orochimaru was not stronger than Minato either." You take this off a statement Anko said that has nothing to do with the subject? Anko only said that she wished the Fourth were alive to fight Orochimaru today, not "the Fourth is stronger than Orochimaru." Where did you deduce such a conclusion? Next, "Minato was considered by many to be the strongest Hokage." How many people have considered or now hold Minato as the most powerful of Hokages? Would it be too much trouble to ask you to find some proof of these words? Just because Anko wanted Minato to fight Orochimaru does not mean he is the most powerful Hokage. His early death was why Anko wanted him to face Orochimaru today. He had an enormous untapped potential due to the fact he died in his twenties, but that's all it's going to remain, unfortunately.

People don't talk about Minato with silenceofthelambs U_U
He hates him
Kishi said that the third and the fourth are the strongest kages by the way.
Please silenceofthelambs don't start , you won't convince me that Madara is a god and that he actually won tatatitatatA . He lost thats it .
And i'm sure oro wouldn't have attacked konoha if 4th was still alive .
You prefere fighting against an 80 year old Sarutobi or against an around 40 Minato ?O.O

 

[silenceofthelambs]

So youre trying to say it is only coincedencfe that all HOkages have been powerful, they need love for the village but they also need power to protect the village they love

All right, let's say it isn't coincidence. The title of Hokage means nothing, then. Only something for the powerful and fortunate to obtain, is what it is. That means Konohamaru's dream can no longer be realized, because there are multitudes of ninja more powerful than him, is that correct? Suddenly the word "Hokage" means close to nothing anymore.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

Don't know why you're trying to stop the inevitable cause it will still happen anyway. But i respect you for trying

Lol I wish more people would realize that my comment had more logic then half the other comments on this thread.

I undertand it's cool to argue, I like too on threads like these, but it's just old now.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

People don't talk about Minato with silenceofthelambs U_U
He hates him
Kishi said that the third and the fourth are the strongest kages by the way.
Please silenceofthelambs don't start , you won't convince me that Madara is a god and that he actually won tatatitatatA . He lost thats it .
And i'm sure oro wouldn't have attacked konoha if 4th was still alive .
You prefere fighting against an 80 year old Sarutobi or against an around 40 Minato ?O.O

Absolutely right he is like anti Minato though he won't accept it and he is obsessed with Madara thinking even if Madara is defeated Madara got defeated willingly not that Madara's opponent was stronger and smarter than him

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

I don't think Minato knew the Shadow Clone jutsu. If he did, why didn't he use it in combat, against Madara for example? It would have made things easier, don't you think? These are all the techniques Minato knew (to us) because he has not shown any other ones, and thus we must assume that the ones he has shown are the only ones he knew. I think so because Minato might have known more techniques during his life, but since he never displayed them, it can be said that he never really knew them at all. If the manga readers don't see it, then how are we going to know that it is indeed something Minato had knowledge of, but did not show? So far, the ones I have listed, keeping to the facts, are the only techniques Minato knew. If of course, he is shown to have used different jutsu, then yes, a change will be made to the list. But for now these are what we have seen, and naturally all he knew.

Dude many of us has gave our opinions on how illogical was it to say that Minato only knew the techs which he showed against Madara and also saying that Minato didn't knew a simple tech as Kage Bunshin. So please justify or explain U_U

 

[donnic]

WOW this chapter is really getting everyone work up O.O hopfully next chapter all of this can be settled

 

[vlive6]

You too, along with scorps, are correct. That means everyone in the past, who has tried to become Hokage, had their dreams crushed because of an inevitability that they would never be able to become the strongest ninja of their village. What are people chasing, then? Essentially, the title of Hokage is something reserved only for those who are destined to become one. It turns out Neji was right, destiny rules people's lives, doesn't it? Neji was destined to lose because Naruto was the son of the Fourth Hokage. Even Rock Lee's determination the size of the Nine-Tailed Fox will never get him to the the title of Hokage, isn't that right? That's the one thing that will never be attainable by anyone, because they are not the most powerful in the village.

"Orochimaru was not stronger than Minato either." You take this off a statement Anko said that has nothing to do with the subject? Anko only said that she wished the Fourth were alive to fight Orochimaru today, not "the Fourth is stronger than Orochimaru." Where did you deduce such a conclusion? Next, "Minato was considered by many to be the strongest Hokage." How many people have considered or now hold Minato as the most powerful of Hokages? Would it be too much trouble to ask you to find some proof of these words? Just because Anko wanted Minato to fight Orochimaru does not mean he is the most powerful Hokage. His early death was why Anko wanted him to face Orochimaru today. He had an enormous untapped potential due to the fact he died in his twenties, but that's all it's going to remain, unfortunately.

acutally how can you say how strong oromichimaru was.... I think he was just as much of a threat as Madara, before his fight with the third, you have to remember that the 3rd was oro's teacher and new the best way to stop him, Thats the reason I Think that Kabuto may be the last villan, 9PROBABLY NOT BUT IT IS POSSIBLE)oro was not weak, the 3rd tool his hands and his ability to make seals or sp whatever ,,,,you know what i mean, but the same principle applies to the one with Minato and Madara. The 3rd acutally had to sacrifice his lif to stop oro, true the 3rd was old but even still
I do not consider oro weak.. after his hands were taken away that enabled Sauske to defeat him so easily
Do you remember kakashi almost pissing his pants by the thought of facing oro... during the tournament.
well anyway
Madara,Kabuto, Sauske, either would make a great villan for the end but my prediction is that it will be Madara
Silenceof the lambs your post r great and make plenty of sense except when it comes to Madara
I too believe that a lot of people are slipping on Madara thinking that ,Naruto with his new powrs will easily defeat Madara,... not gonna happen
If this is truly Uchia Madara this is the worst possible scenario , Madara has a plan
but seeing that the name of this manga is naruto, Madara will be defeated,
U have to remember that Sauske who is already ubber powerful and has defeated danzo with all of his unknown powers, Madara still wants to make him stronger,
how can you do that and not be confident in your abilities
ill ans that.. You Cant!!!
This dude is ready
but at the same time you cant gage anyones power just by what the have shown in a 5 min fight that didnt even go to the end.
Also Minato chose toend his own life
he could have lived to fight Madara another day
etc...etc....etc...Please stop trying to force what you want to happen on everyone else.. If you cant help just write your own manga , and make madara the lead character....
Its cool that you like him as a villan I do too
but I wont make up things in my mind just becoz of what I want to justify when I have everyone giving me solid explanations of how I am wrong. Be logical,
and stop playing around , I know you have to be playing just to rile people up, coz as I said usually you comments are on point except when it comes to Madara..
thank you bu bye!!!

 

[Mystikk]

with that 9tails chakra surrounding his body i bet his fuuton-rasengan will be 100xs more powerful... an i really think after him an killer be sparr.. an bee gets his ass kicked .. bee will give him a nice sword!!

 

[Akatsuki leader]

but truly if orochimaru use the white snake body change tech minato is cannot defeat him nobody can resist him only sharingan..... tats all folks sorry minatotards.....

 

[Stein]

About that "What defines a Hokage" discussion again. It's funny to read that both sides are right and both sides need each other because none of them would be possible without each other. ^^

Yep, power is needed to be Hokage. How do the Hokages get so much power? Because they love the village and would do everything to protect it. So they train and they train and they break through limit after limit after limit and so on. Yeah, willpower is much stronger than physical power. And Hokages don't give a crap about "The will is strong, but the flesh is weak" they overcome their paralyzing lack of physical strength with their will. Remember what Guy said when Lee fought Gaara. The human body only uses a minimal percentage of the muscular strength. Lee needs a technique to break through that limit. And with the Gate of Death he would be as strong as a Hokage. So in my opinion a Hokage unconsciously opens something like the Gate of Death by his willpower to get enormous strength but is not affected by the inevitable disadvantage that the Gate of Death carries.

That's why Naruto is destined to be Hokage. Remember the fight against Neji? Even though all of his chakra holes where blocked... he stood up again forced his body to move on by pure willpower. And that's the power that is only granted to potential Hokage candidates through their unending willpower to protect anybody.

 

[Firass]

Power. So eventually that's what it all comes down to. Do you think it is really defined by the number of techniques a person knows? And it is just as important as love, faith, and determination to become Hokage?

Fine, I'll go along with your opinion, but what you're trying to tell me is that only the most powerful ninja in the village can be selected for Hokage, and that's how it's always going to be? That the one choosing a successor can only reach with their eyes far enough to look at those with the most power?

So, somebody like Shikamaru, with an intelligence greater than that of Kakashi's, will never have the ability to become Hokage, simply because he isn't the most powerful ninja in the village? Is that really what it comes down to?

Your words remind me of Neji's, back during the Chunin Exams when fighting with Naruto, that only those destined are set for the great things that lay ahead. Let's repeat one more time, strongest ninja in the village = Hokage. That's absolutely wonderful. Why does the Council of Fire even have dicussions as to who the next Hokage will be? Get the most powerful Shinobi up there, inaugurate him, and it's done. Practical, saves time, don't you think?

If it's like that, then the title of Hokage never meant much anyways. Well, it's fine, it's obvious that you're too smart for a thick-headed person like me. I apologize for my immense lack of intelligence, and for troubling you, most importantly. Of course you are correct.

I know this is scorps discussion, but I just have to disagree with you regarding your Shikamaru point. As Scorps said, you need to have extraordinary power, not nessecearly meaning jutsus or loads of chakra, but something you are awesome at, for example Sunade has awesome healing abilities, she saved the people in the village at the pain attack.
Shikamaru could easily be a hokage subject, since his amazing intelligence is an extraordinary power, just like you pointed out, it's greater than Kakashis.

That's what needed to become a hokage.

If it would only come to attack power, Naruto would be hokage asap, but it doesn't, so that's why he isn't the hokage..... yet.....

 

[Stein]

I know this is scorps discussion, but I just have to disagree with you regarding your Shikamaru point. As Scorps said, you need to have extraordinary power, not nessecearly meaning jutsus or loads of chakra, but something you are awesome at, for example Sunade has awesome healing abilities, she saved the people in the village at the pain attack.
Shikamaru could easily be a hokage subject, since his amazing intelligence is an extraordinary power, just like you pointed out, it's greater than Kakashis.

That's what needed to become a hokage.

If it would only come to attack power, Naruto would be hokage asap, but it doesn't, so that's why he isn't the hokage..... yet.....

Yeah, but almost everybody in the village has a special ability and is succeeding the parents. Kiba has even a better nose then ninja dogs, Lee could be better at taijutsu than Guy, Sakura heals at an equal level to Tsunade, the Hyuuga clan is one of the strongest, the Aburame clan is one of the strongest, the Nara clan has very intelligent members just like Shikamaru who would be a great Hokage and could easily command everybody to fully use their potential and so on and so on...

Everybody is getting more power as time passes by but one has the strongest will and is evolving the fastest and that's Naruto right now.
Keep in mind that even Kakashi who was very strong even in the beginning of the manga has gotten better techniques and is stronger, smarter, cooler now.

 

[Firass]

Yeah, but almost everybody in the village has a special ability and is succeeding the parents. Kiba has even a better nose then ninja dogs, Lee could be better at taijutsu than Guy, Sakura heals at an equal level to Tsunade, the Hyuuga clan is one of the strongest, the Aburame clan is one of the strongest, the Nara clan has very intelligent members just like Shikamaru who would be a great Hokage and could easily command everybody to fully use their potential and so on and so on...

Everybody is getting more power as time passes by but one has the strongest will and is evolving the fastest and that's Naruto right now.
Keep in mind that even Kakashi who was very strong even in the beginning of the manga has gotten better techniques and is stronger, smarter, cooler now.

That's true And also Kakashi got appointed to be the Hokage, but never really did to be it

But the thing is, u gotta have some super duper awesome abilities to be hokage, not only loads of Rank S jutsus, you need something special, and to get that fastest is to have that will your talking about, Shikamaru just hate to do stuff, I still remember the anime when he always said that things was so troublesome or how troublesome

 

[Scorps]

I know this is scorps discussion, but I just have to disagree with you regarding your Shikamaru point. As Scorps said, you need to have extraordinary power, not nessecearly meaning jutsus or loads of chakra, but something you are awesome at, for example Sunade has awesome healing abilities, she saved the people in the village at the pain attack.
Shikamaru could easily be a hokage subject, since his amazing intelligence is an extraordinary power, just like you pointed out, it's greater than Kakashis.

That's what needed to become a hokage.

If it would only come to attack power, Naruto would be hokage asap, but it doesn't, so that's why he isn't the hokage..... yet.....

Thank you. at least someone understood what I was saying.

Silenceofthelambs I said that to become hokage you do need to love the village, to have the will to protect it, to be a "beacon" that everyone else tries to surpass. But for you to completly perform your duties you need to be talented, and have some ability that's stronger than 99% of all ninjas in the village. Minato was chosen for Hokage because he was considered a genius, he was the most talented in the village and because he loved it and cherrished it even if it cost him his live. You have to have both.

The Kage position isn't a romantic little title for those who love the village. If so, then it would mean nothing because anyone could become Kage and he would serve for nothing. I gave you an example and you simply didn't get it.

What if Choji was to become Hokage? The will of fire is in him, he loves the village and his comerades...but then what? What would he do? Is he wise enough? Is he inteligent enough? Does he have the power to protect anyone? Or sakura? Or Lee? or Gai?

Think of the people considered for the position so far:
Harashisama, Tobirama, Sarutobi, Minato, Orochimaru, Tsunade, Jiraya, Kakashi, Danzo and now Naruto. All of them complete powerhouses when they were considered.

You need POWER to protect the ones you love. Throughout the manga that has been stated several times. You need the package: Love, determination, good heart, talent, special or strong power, intelligence and wisdom.

Kage isn't a lovy-dovy little pawn that likes the villagers. He/She is a leader of a group of Ninja and of a Ninja Village. He has subordinates that are strong in their own merit. He has to face political and moral choices that require great deal of wisdom. He has to lead them in fights and be able to command them. He has to protect them from strong foes. He has to be a LEADER, a ROLE MODEL in power and all attributes, including the love for the village.

So, sorry, if I burst your bubble, but if loving your village and nothing else mattered, Naruto would have become Hokage a long time ago, when he was just a full mounted, ignorant, innocent, weak little child, because no one else loved the village as much as he did. But NO. He has become a wise, strong, powerful, intelligent Ninja....All that hard work and he didn't need it... Poor little naruto, it's all been in vain...he could have just asked to be Hokage...he had all he needed...LOVE!!!! (sarcasm can be used by everyone...) --"