[Predictions] Naruto Manga 504 Discussion and 505 Predictions

[Dragon Lord]

Nine tails has by far more chakra than any other of the tailed beasts!! and i think the ninetails is the only tailed beasts with yin and yang chakras!!

 

[summit]

i think it was the best chapter during that flash back the ending almost maid me cry
hey onemanga is no longer hosting sj is that true

ya dude
its true closed 2 dayz ago

 

[Sade]

for me the next chapter is gonna be like this...naruto has stop maditating,as he has already sealed kyubbis will and has only the chakra free...Yamato and Killer Bee ask him what happened if he did it,and he answer yes.....then time is passin by and he is sitting in a tree or sth ,and he cries while e is thinking all about that his father (in Pein arc) and his mother(in these chapters) said to him about how much they loved him and why they decided to seal in him the half of Kyubbis chakra...and then he stops crying because 1)someone came or 2)because he desites to start thinking a way how can he bit Madara or sth else...also he may thinks to starta really hard training in controlling kyubis chakra with also Sage mode,or wind element or to find a Uzumaki survivor to taught him sealing techs,so he can seal madara....for me the 1st an the 3rd are more possible...

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

After some well needed flashbacks now I think we will see Naruto to start his training and then decide to join in the battle by convincing all the other Kages. He will be stopped at the beginning but later on all the Kages will believe in Naruto. But I wonder will Naruto ever is gonna tell the other Kages about his parents. If he says about his parents all them will be like wowxdxdxd

 

[Dragon Lord]

After some well needed flashbacks now I think we will see Naruto to start his training and then decide to join in the battle by convincing all the other Kages. He will be stopped at the beginning but later on all the Kages will believe in Naruto. But I wonder will Naruto ever is gonna tell the other Kages about his parents. If he says about his parents all them will be like wowxdxdxd

Or it could be that the war starts and the countries are about to lose, because of madaras tailed beasts and forces, so comes Naruto and killerbee to the battle ground and kick everyones butt!!

the final villian will either be a reincarnated sage of the six paths or madara with the power of the sage of the six paths, and naruto will defeat them anyway!! - so naruto in the End will be stronger than the sage of the six paths!!, or atleast as strong!!

 

[Dragon Lord]

Awesome chapter! 5*. But I think Kabuto has Minato. Because if you remember on chapter 490 page like 4. Tobi was like :"Where did you get that?" "You're bastard" and Kabuto was like " You didn't think I would come here without an ace up my sleeve". What better ace is Minato. i think it is a little crazy but it is a thought. But great chapter. Got a little emotional. Oh yea second post!

i think bringing back minato would be pointless!! why would kishi bring back minato now when he didnt in his first summoning?, and also we still dont know whether tobi or minato are stronger because the fight didnt end, and tobi was a great match for minato!!

so my point is, i dont think its minato that kabuto summoned!!

its either the sage of the six paths, or madaras real body!!

because if madaras real body is summoned, kabuto can summon back his soul back to it and control him like a puppet, so thats why he said you cant refuse!!

 

[Dragon Lord]

crazy theory lol

it is still possible that the sage of the six paths was actually evil!!, and even though tobi doesnt seem like it, he could still be the so6p, because when he said about his moon eye plan, he said he wanted to be complete again by putting back the tentails in him!!

and there is something else, who was the sage of the six paths rival?

people think it was the tentails jubi, but i think there may have been also something or someone else who was his real rival - maybe it was gedo mazo!, gedo mazo had chains in his hands, and it has existed ever since the time of the sage of the six paths!! - gedo mazo is a stone or wooden like being now but i think at one time he was a living being!! - and he was the real enemy of the sage of the six paths!! - but the so6p defeated him and chained him, and turned him into stone with a sealing jutsu, but then maybe before the so6p did that, gedo mazo transfered his soul into another body - and now his trying to free himself and be complete again by using the tailed beasts!!

notice -tobi has chains in his hands in the whole fight just like gedo mazo!!

and he is nothing but a shell of his former self!!

 

[Dragon Lord]

Does anyone know when exactly the first hokage died?

 

[Dragon Lord]

some predictions about the characters end in the end of the manga

Naruto

since he is the main character, he will most probably end up as a great hero, although this would include both dying as a hero or living as hero!, jiraya lived as a sannin and he died as an example to all heroes!!, the fourth hokage lived as the great hero of konoha, and died as the legendary hero who saved the village which counted on him!, Naruto is the disciple of the first hero and the son of the latter one, and he is the boy who was feared by the people and whom later on through sheer will and guts and the power to never give up - became the hope of the people!!, narutos will of fire grows stronger in him than anyone else in the world of ninjas!, therefore he will be regarded as a hero never seen before, and probably never will be!!, starting from the people around him fearing and hating him, and ninjas allover the nations trying to kill him!, and the pressure of a friend losing faith in him, and despising everything that he is!, and the fans allover the world dissappointed in him!!, despite all this fact, Naruto never gave up, and he never will as long as there is one last breath in him!!, Naruto Uzumaki is the greatest hero ever lived in the world of the ninjas!! "so you see, there is no need for prediction when it comes to uzumaki naruto, because he is and will be the hero of the story from the begining to the end!!

Kyuubi

Kyuubi being the reason for all the hero naruto uzumakis sufferings, and the beast within him!, he is the side of him that naruto has been fighting ever since the begining!, so eventually naruto has to overcome him, as he is the hero afterall!!, as for the kyuubis future, i believe that he will fight side by side with naruto for quite sometime, although the end doesnt look so good for kyuubi, as he is a beast afterall!, from people desiring to capture him to people wanting to kill him, kyuubis future seems to be doomed!, although let us not forget the "Hope" in the manga whom is naruto uzumaki and as long as the Naruto is beside him, there is hope for him!!

"so in conclusion, i believe that the kyuubi will remain beside and inside naruto in the end!, for Naruto Uzumaki is incomplete without the Kyuubi!!, they will either die together, or live together!!

Sasuke

the other side of the coin, Sasuke Uchiha is the hero Naruto Uzumakis oposite!, his best friend and Ultimate Rival!, from the looks of it, it seems as if sasukes end should be the oposite of narutos and he should be regarded as the Ultimate Villian in the manga!, But things are never that simple..., if we follow sasukes entire life, we will see there is reason for what he does, and thereby there is logic!, his entire family and clan was wiped out and killed by his own dear brother!, infuriating him and darkening him enough to kill his own brother Uchiha Itachi!, and later on finding out that his brother was only a victim of the same cause!, and the greatest one of them for that fact!!, Sasuke Uchiha has every right to do what he does!, although.., as i said, things are never that simple!, if we keep suffering because we are unlucky, and keep hating because we suffer, and avenging because we hate, keep on killing and destroying because we want vengeance, then what is left is just more of the same!, and a stronger one for that fact!, which will go on and on like a loop!!, if you had to ask me, i would say its the fault of those who first started "hate", but we cant change that now!, the only thing we can change is Ourselves!!, and if we cant change by ourselves!, then someone has to help us change!, someone like Naruto!, and me! (^_~), and we cant give up on them ever!, for giving up is not something that has any meaning to people like Naruto!, therefore naruto hasnt given up on sasuke yet and never will!! "so all and all, i really believe that Naruto will change Sasukes heart in the End!, and thereby "what is good, can become bad, and what is bad can become good!, for in reality, there is nothing good nor bad but what we humans make!, it is Our freewilled Choices that Make all what is Wonderful in this World, and all that is Terrible!, and if we just are stubborn enough to Never Ever give up on trying to change whom we shouldnt be and what we shouldnt do, then I Believe We Can!!

 

[Dragon Lord]

Naruto and Killerbee and Kisame in the Demon Island = Clash Of The Demons!!, that should be the title of the whole arc!! lol

not only the three most powerful demons are clashing, but they are doing it in a demon island!, kishi has a sense of humor indeed! lol, so its demons alltogether!, yamato and the others definetly dont fit there! lol, you know what would be cool?, if we saw all the hosts of the tailed beasts gathering there at the demon island and competing against eatchother, not to mention should include kisame, orochimaro, zetsu, so the whole demon pack could clash and create a very BIG DEMON BANG!! lol


anyway, since the three of them are all together, there absolutely should be a fight!, but who will kisame fight this time?, and will he die this time or will he escape again?

well, we couldnt be sure, but we could create a list of possibilities....

1-Kisame will come out from samehade and hiding and finds himself on a deserted demon island! lol, and will try to escape from there but encounters killerbee and naruto and the others and gets in a clash between all of them!!

2-Kisame will fight killerbee again, and he gets dead this time!

3-Kisame will fight killerbee, but then is interrupted by Naruto, and the both of them finish him off!

4-Kisame will take on both Kllerbee and Naruto at the same time!, although it would be ridiculous since naruto alone defeated pain!, kisame cant be stronger than pain, no way!

5-could be that first killerbee fights kisame, but then naruto arrives and upon arriving the gift that itachi gave him triggers!, and this gift is going to be some sort of message to kisame to put him on narutos side!!, i mean we already saw kisame fight, so there is no point in seeing him fight again!, so this possibility seems quite possible!! lol

6-Killerbee will be training naruto in controlling the kyuubi!, and in the middle of their progress kisame appears before naruto, and they fight, and since fighting kisame needs huge amount of chakra and chakra control, naruto will need to be able to controll the kyuubi inorder to finish him off!, and therefore just before the final blow, naruto will be able to control the kyuubi and finish off kisame!!

7-Kisame will just escape from killerbee since his so dum, and make his way to enter the thunder country AND fights raikage!!

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the identity of the person in that casket depends on the identity of "Tobi"!!



but if it is indeed madara, then, tobi will fear it if tobi is madaras soul trapped in obitos body!!

it actually fits perfectly because

1-madara in obitos body

2-kabuto summons madaras casket

3-that means kabuto could summon madaras soul anytime

4-and madaras soul is inside tobi, so if kabuto summons him, tobi "madara" will be kabutos puppet!!

5-it makes perfect sense, since kabuto told tobi "YOU CANT REFUSE", tobi cant refuse because he will become kabutos puppet!! lol

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Does anyone know when exactly the first hokage died?

Hashirama died during the First Shinobi War, but not before passing on the title of Hokage to his brother, Tobirama Senju. We still don't know who killed him, but it could have been Madara (wearing the same mask he does today), as revenge for the defeat he suffered all those years ago at the Valley of the End. But if it wasn't Madara, then it could have been any one person or group of people from a village (Kumogakure, possibly?), so Hashirama's killer(s) would have eventually faded into obscurity. But the First Shinobi War it was, that Hashirama lost his life. That much we do know.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Awesome chapter! 5*. But I think Kabuto has Minato. Because if you remember on chapter 490 page like 4. Tobi was like :"Where did you get that?" "You're bastard" and Kabuto was like " You didn't think I would come here without an ace up my sleeve". What better ace is Minato. i think it is a little crazy but it is a thought. But great chapter. Got a little emotional. Oh yea second post!

Minato's soul is sealed inside the Shinigami; Edo Tensei requires the soul of a person for said person to be revived. That said, how is it even possible that Kabuto would have been able to summon Minato? Minato might have been an "ace" of a ninja during his lifetime, but right now he wouldn't even fit into the storyline. It is time for Naruto's generation to take over, and that means leaving the legends of the past where they be. Who Kabuto summoned might be a character we have yet to see in the manga, but in my opinion the final coffin did not contain Minato. The story becomes too repetitive if it were indeed the Fourth Hokage; we already know the extent of his abilities, and while he makes an extraordinary demonstration of them each time, quite frankly seeing it again is all too redundant.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Hashirama died during the First Shinobi War, but not before passing on the title of Hokage to his brother, Tobirama Senju. We still don't know who killed him, but it could have been Madara (wearing the same mask he does today), as revenge for the defeat he suffered all those years ago at the Valley of the End. But if it wasn't Madara, then it could have been any one person or group of people from a village (Kumogakure, possibly?), so Hashirama's killer(s) would have eventually faded into obscurity. But the First Shinobi War it was, that Hashirama lost his life. That much we do know.

I don't remember when it was mentioned that the First died during the 1st Shinobi War so if you can give me the link of the chapter where it was mentioned then it would help me. And besides can't it be like Hashirama died of a disease or because of age after all that guy was a human

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Or it could be that the war starts and the countries are about to lose, because of madaras tailed beasts and forces, so comes Naruto and killerbee to the battle ground and kick everyones butt!!

the final villian will either be a reincarnated sage of the six paths or madara with the power of the sage of the six paths, and naruto will defeat them anyway!! - so naruto in the End will be stronger than the sage of the six paths!!, or atleast as strong!!

Yup most of us are believing that Naruto will surpass or at least reach the level of the Sage of the Six Paths and by this he will become the new Great Legend of the Shinobi worldxd

 

[Joegonzo]

Minato's soul is sealed inside the Shinigami; Edo Tensei requires the soul of a person for said person to be revived. That said, how is it even possible that Kabuto would have been able to summon Minato? Minato might have been an "ace" of a ninja during his lifetime, but right now he wouldn't even fit into the storyline. It is time for Naruto's generation to take over, and that means leaving the legends of the past where they be. Who Kabuto summoned might be a character we have yet to see in the manga, but in my opinion the final coffin did not contain Minato. The story becomes too repetitive if it were indeed the Fourth Hokage; we already know the extent of his abilities, and while he makes an extraordinary demonstration of them each time, quite frankly seeing it again is all too redundant.

I do not think it is impossible to use Edo Tensei on Minato because I do not think the Shinigami prevents its. I do agree though that it is not Minato in the coffin. He would likely scare Madara slightly, but it seems like the person HAS to do with the secret he is hiding. It is obvious to everyone that he is hiding something, whether it be his identity or something else and I think the person in the coffin is related to what he is hiding. I think the person Kabuto summoned knows his secret or will give away his secret.

There is certanily a decent chance it is Minato. You at least have to consider this. Minato would be the only one to actually know it was him who attacked the village and Sasuke may turn on him if he found out. Itachi may have never been put in the position to kill his village if Madara never used the Kyubbi to attack the village. Also, he has enough skill to be able to beat him in a fight. These are good reasons for it to be him, but like I said I do not believe it his him. It still might be though.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

I don't remember when it was mentioned that the First died during the 1st Shinobi War so if you can give me the link of the chapter where it was mentioned then it would help me. And besides can't it be like Hashirama died of a disease or because of age after all that guy was a human

As far as a manga link goes, I don't have a specific chapter, but it has been implied throughout the many chapters. Consider this: Hashirama was the First Hokage of Konoha, correct? He divided the tailed beasts among the five great nations to begin peace talks with them, but as a result, the opposite of Hashirama's intended results occurred. Hoping to quell hostilities, it actually increased them, thus leading to this First Shinobi War. Before his death, Hashirama passed on the title of Hokage to his brother, Tobirama, who also died during this same war. So, considering that Tobirama died in this war as well, his older brother Hashirama shared the same fate. This may not be the clearest explanation, but I think you will be able to understand it.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

I do not think it is impossible to use Edo Tensei on Minato because I do not think the Shinigami prevents its. I do agree though that it is not Minato in the coffin. He would likely scare Madara slightly, but it seems like the person HAS to do with the secret he is hiding. It is obvious to everyone that he is hiding something, whether it be his identity or something else and I think the person in the coffin is related to what he is hiding. I think the person Kabuto summoned knows his secret or will give away his secret.

There is certanily a decent chance it is Minato. You at least have to consider this. Minato would be the only one to actually know it was him who attacked the village and Sasuke may turn on him if he found out. Itachi may have never been put in the position to kill his village if Madara never used the Kyubbi to attack the village. Also, he has enough skill to be able to beat him in a fight. These are good reasons for it to be him, but like I said I do not believe it his him. It still might be though.

If the Shinigami does not prevent Edo Tensei users to summon those who have been sealed, why didn't Kabuto summon Hashirama then? Hashirama was the one responsible for putting Madara in the state he is now ("a mere shell of [his] former self"), so it would make more sense for Kabuto to summon the First Hokage instead of the Fourth.

By the way, Minato is not the only one who knew Madara unleashed the Nine-Tails on Konoha. The fox itself knew, but it had and still has no intention of telling what it knows. As far as Minato's skills go, he could defeat Madara, but only in the circumstances that are approriate for Minato to do so. In other words, if Madara were to remain intangible for the duration of their battle, what would Minato do? After the Nine-Tails had been pulled from Madara's control by the Contract Seal, Madara needn't worry about the brief period of time he would be able to exert control of the fox, and thus could have made his body permeable and the battle would have been a clear-cut stalemate. It was because of the Nine-Tails that Madara chose to end his battle with Minato as quickly as possible, but if the fox were not there, Minato would not be able to do a single thing. Now, considering the fox is not in Madara's possession, if the revived Minato were to fight Madara, what would he do? Nothing.

I know you agree that it wasn't Minato inside the coffin, but according to your logic that the souls of those sealed inside the Shinigami can be revived by way of Edo Tensei, it would have made more sense for Kabuto to revive Hashirama, one of the few people Madara actually admires (however "hat[ing the most"). The final coffin with the unseen person inside it does have something to do with Madara's identity (or longevity), I agree with you, but who it is we do not know.

 

[str8savage]

I have said it before and I'll say it again...KABUTO DID NOT SUMMON MADARAS BODY. It is very possible that madaras SOUL was summoned, but that tech does NOT summon the body of the one you choose to resurrect.

Edo tensie uses a HUMAN SACRIFICE TO SUMMON A SOUL.

IF MADARAS SOUL IS INSIDE A DIFFERENT BODY HIS SOUL CANT BE SUMMONED USING EDO TENSEI.

Whoevers SOUL was in that coffin, it was inside the body of a human sacrifice, not its original body.

To summarize: If madara has switched bodies, then he is not dead and his SOUL can not be summoned with Edo tensei.

If the coffin contained "Madara", then it was madaras SOUL inside a human sacrificial corpse, not madaras body.

sorry for the caps, but it always seems to get ignored, even though there is proof of what edo tensei does, and it DOES NOT SUMMON THE BODY OF THE PERSON YOU TRY TO RESSURRECT, ONLY THE SOUL!!! Madara can not be alive AND in the coffin!

Well if a Madara dead soul is needed then Im starting 2 think that the tobi/madara is nothing more than an imposter...because its clear that Kabuto has something on tobi that Tobi doesnt want 2 get out...which is why Kabuto is so sarcastic the whole chapter (490)...why else would he be willing 2 give up sasuke??? Or maybe half of Madara sould died like the fox...maybe thats the reason why he only shows 1 eye and is a former shell of himself...just a suggestion but idk you could b correct as well

 

[uhIpooped]

Thanks for commenting...and of course you would be correct that Naruto would also get whatever is available from his fathers bloodline...since we dont know much about "DAD" 4th hokages lineage (parents) Not sure what to expect. I dont know if the Flying thunder god technique is something he was born with or just developed...Although if it was something that was developed then others like Kakashi for instance would definately try to copy and use it cause it was such a freaking awesome jutsu. So After giving it more thought this technique must be in 4th Hokage's blood line and I really hope it was passed on to Naruto.

If Naruto discovers that he can do the FTG technique and used it while in Sage/Fox mode with full chakra of 9 tails he would be like the force of 10 armies rolling over you in two blinks of an eye and your whole army would be wiped out. Still just speculation on our part...but Dam I sure would like to see him get this type of power up.. Sauske would be like "what the ....hit me" Remember when he was fighting Pain...and he used the 8 tails and was so fast Pain could hardly see him at first. Well if he does get it the old timers will be like the Yellow Flash of Konoha has returned...run for your lives...!!!

Negative on the FTG being a bloodline tech... Kushina her self had said that she taught Minato many things about the Uzamaki fuujin jutsu's (hope thats right) I also believe the 1st and 2nd hokages has space time jutsu's... So as far as FTG goes, I think that it is a matter of chakara manipulation with the seal in order to make it work ... just like only 4 people have been able to do rasengan, which takes a special type of control to use... just my thoughts...

 

[str8savage]

If the Shinigami does not prevent Edo Tensei users to summon those who have been sealed, why didn't Kabuto summon Hashirama then? Hashirama was the one responsible for putting Madara in the state he is now ("a mere shell of [his] former self"), so it would make more sense for Kabuto to summon the First Hokage instead of the Fourth.

By the way, Minato is not the only one who knew Madara unleashed the Nine-Tails on Konoha. The fox itself knew, but it had and still has no intention of telling what it knows. As far as Minato's skills go, he could defeat Madara, but only in the circumstances that are approriate for Minato to do so. In other words, if Madara were to remain intangible for the duration of their battle, what would Minato do? After the Nine-Tails had been pulled from Madara's control by the Contract Seal, Madara needn't worry about the brief period of time he would be able to exert control of the fox, and thus could have made his body permeable and the battle would have been a clear-cut stalemate. It was because of the Nine-Tails that Madara chose to end his battle with Minato as quickly as possible, but if the fox were not there, Minato would not be able to do a single thing. Now, considering the fox is not in Madara's possession, if the revived Minato were to fight Madara, what would he do? Nothing.

I know you agree that it wasn't Minato inside the coffin, but according to your logic that the souls of those sealed inside the Shinigami can be revived by way of Edo Tensei, it would have made more sense for Kabuto to revive Hashirama, one of the few people Madara actually admires (however "hat[ing the most"). The final coffin with the unseen person inside it does have something to do with Madara's identity (or longevity), I agree with you, but who it is we do not know.

If Madara remained intangible Minato would have jus resealed the fox..Madara has to remain tangible 2 stop the 4th...jus imagin if Minato went in2 sage mode he would have had enough power...n i fell that Madara time space jutsu has a limit he prolly remain intangible 4 a set time