[Predictions] Naruto Manga 463 Discussion / 464 Predictions

[Koo]

i couldnt tell if that was raikage.... or a black broly

 

[Itachi Sama]

The Fight between Sasuke and Raikage is like Hulk vs. Superman... I have a lot of respect for Raikage, he is a powerhouse and I hope he does'not get killed by Sasuke. The only way Sasuke could beat him is if he had a complete Susano'o with both heavenly sword and shield.

 

[narutoclan]

what do you think naruto will do now guys after the conversation with madagay?

 

[thegreatestoffools]

I've been observing this thread and I?ve read a lot of interesting points of views. I agree with SabutoUchiha that the form of Susanoo that Sasuke used is in a premature state but I also think that it is Itachi?s since that tech is exclusive to him only. Although, this has all yet been to be confirmed. Someone stated that Sasuke has been using the Mangekyou Sharingan often and is quickly on the path of blindness though this might be because of the increasing darkness within him. I have to say that person has a great point seeing as Itachi was really a pure human being and so the blindness effect took even longer to kick in.

Now I'm not saying that Sasuke IS GOING TO WIN I'm only stating that I still think he has a chance to win against the Raikage. Just as Madara quoted that Naruto and Sasuke are bound by destiny to fight each other and if that doesn't happen, then he will ensure that it will. So Sasuke will not be killed, now there is a chance that Sasuke will start to get beaten and if so, I think that the battle will be broken up obviously before he dies. Also, while observing other threads, I've seen several people state every battle that Sasuke takes victory in is either because it was handed to him or was a cheap win. Well to all who believe that, then take a look at this:

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To everyone that's says Sasuke sucks and for those who won't even acknowledge Sasuke, even the Raikage HIMSELF has a brief acknowledgement of him.

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Take a look at this Tetsu Samurai's quote.

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Not only does he acknowledge so do even the Raikage's bodyguards.

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Shi even quotes "Is he even more skilled than Itachi?"

The Raikage is more physically stronger than Sasuke, yes. Even showing no reaction when touched by the black flames. Though just because someone is stronger doesn?t mean they can't be beaten as the Raikage does get burned by Amaterasu. Sasuke has improved from the last battle against Kirabi. People have also said that Sasuke will never surpass Itachi. In the latest chapter Sasuke not only uses Susanoo but takes Amaterasu to a whole new level. I hope that this post of mines has opened some of your eyes to at least aknowledging Sasuke even if you dislike him. No I am not a fanboy I just like Sasuke's character that is all. Sumimasen for the usual long posts -_-​

A very well written post. Your links, that you seem to offer up as rocksolid arguments sasuke's strenght, don't really stand up to scrutiny, if you ask me.

Your first link, page 03 of manga 464: Raikage strictly speaking acknowleges Hatake Kakashi's attack, not Uchiha Sasuke's strenght/genious/etc. Yes Sasuke got a few points for the attack, but really, the chidori is a tried and tested (and powerful) technique, so nothing new here.

Your second link, page 06 of manga 464: The samurai assumes (quite rightly, I think), that there's little chance of Sasuke, or anyone else, surviving an attack like that. However we know that Sasuke survived thanks to a fledgling, infantile version of Susano, given to him by Itachi. NOT because of some inherent ability from Sasuke himself. Hell, we can't even be sure of whether Sasuke had the sense to activate it himself, or if it activated on it's own thanks to Itachi's machinations. So, no points awarded.

Your third link, page 08 of manga 464: Raikage's bodyguards do seem to acknowledge Sasuke. But what are they really praising? Susanoo and Tsukuyomi. And where did they come from again? Yup, you quessed it, Uchiha Itachi. Again. So no points awarded to sasuke in my books. Again.

Your final link, page 15 of manga 464: Shi does ask himself (keyword "ask") whether Sasuke is more skilled than itachi. I grant you, lighting the susano aflame with amaterasu is deftly done. Certainly a trick that Itachi couldn't have told him about. But there's no reason to assume Itachi wasn't able to do the same. Really, all it takes is activating amaterasy, and looking at susanoo. Not high level stuff, but very clever. So while Sasuke gets a point from me for a clever (if a touch desperate, in my eyes, given how the battle was going) trick, it doesn't mean that he's more skilled than Itachi.

Finally, I agree with your reasoning for why Sasuke won't die, but will at worst get mauled by Raikage and then saved by someone else, but I think you're giving him too much credit with "not only uses Susanoo but takes Amaterasu to a whole new level". I've already explained what I think of his amaterasu, and as I said, his susanoo does not come close to Itachi's techique.

 

[KazeFox1]

Itachi imprinted him with all of his eye techniques just before he died. With the final, brotherly 'tap' on the forehead at the end of the fight, if you remember. That's how he got amaterasu as well.

I remeber the "tap" and that Maaterasu was implanted as a "booby trap" against Tobi/Madara...I guess I just assumed that Susanno was not derived from the Sharingan. I ssumed it was a totaly different technique taht Itachi aquired/developed...like the sword that Itachi used to seal Orochimaru in the Sasuke v. itachi battle. Do you think the sword is also transferred? If I remeber correct it was Susanno that weilded the sword.

 

[KazeFox1]

LOL.... I agree madra wants all the mangakou sharingan techs.... Plus i have a theory... tht he only partially existls.... n he needs the tailed beasts powers to fully revive his former self....

n yeaa.... Raikage roks.... HE IS NOT A KYUUBI HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY EYE TECHNIQUES HE IS NOT A SAGE.... pretty well said... GO RAINKAGE
..... its about time saske was taught a lesson in manners n arrogance!!!!!

I think this is a good point that he (Madara/Tobi) needs the tailed beast to fully exsist, which is why he can just disappear/teleport etc, ....which proves that the real identity of Madara/Tobi is............

Lord Voldemort!!! Same thing right?! : )

 

[UchihaSama1991]

A very well written post. Your links, that you seem to offer up as rocksolid arguments sasuke's strenght, don't really stand up to scrutiny, if you ask me.

Your first link, page 03 of manga 464: Raikage strictly speaking acknowleges Hatake Kakashi's attack, not Uchiha Sasuke's strenght/genious/etc. Yes Sasuke got a few points for the attack, but really, the chidori is a tried and tested (and powerful) technique, so nothing new here.

Your second link, page 06 of manga 464: The samurai assumes (quite rightly, I think), that there's little chance of Sasuke, or anyone else, surviving an attack like that. However we know that Sasuke survived thanks to a fledgling, infantile version of Susano, given to him by Itachi. NOT because of some inherent ability from Sasuke himself. Hell, we can't even be sure of whether Sasuke had the sense to activate it himself, or if it activated on it's own thanks to Itachi's machinations. So, no points awarded.

Your third link, page 08 of manga 464: Raikage's bodyguards do seem to acknowledge Sasuke. But what are they really praising? Susanoo and Tsukuyomi. And where did they come from again? Yup, you quessed it, Uchiha Itachi. Again. So no points awarded to sasuke in my books. Again.

Your final link, page 15 of manga 464: Shi does ask himself (keyword "ask") whether Sasuke is more skilled than itachi. I grant you, lighting the susano aflame with amaterasu is deftly done. Certainly a trick that Itachi couldn't have told him about. But there's no reason to assume Itachi wasn't able to do the same. Really, all it takes is activating amaterasy, and looking at susanoo. Not high level stuff, but very clever. So while Sasuke gets a point from me for a clever (if a touch desperate, in my eyes, given how the battle was going) trick, it doesn't mean that he's more skilled than Itachi.

Finally, I agree with your reasoning for why Sasuke won't die, but will at worst get mauled by Raikage and then saved by someone else, but I think you're giving him too much credit with "not only uses Susanoo but takes Amaterasu to a whole new level". I've already explained what I think of his amaterasu, and as I said, his susanoo does not come close to Itachi's techique.

As i said in an earlier post before..Think about the fact that the only time you have comparison for Itachis powers are when he fought Sasuke and he WAS DYING ( not full ability ) and he didn`t go all out. Sasuke i`s a little baby compared to him. And the Raikage's Jounin when did they see Itachi go all out? Yes Amaterasu shape manipulation is not bad but who can say Itachi couldn't do it? Remeber when Itachi took on ALONE 3 Jounin in Konoha and he could`ve killed them in a flash..true he didn`t but still saying that Sasuke is stronger then Itachi is just BS.

 

[stigie78]

I think that the Susano'o Sasuke is using is 'premature'. It's only an early stage because it's not the full Susano'o, it's only the ribs. Also, I'd think Sasuke doesn't have the Yata no Kagami (a mirror that's considered one of the three sacred treasures capable of reflecting all attacks, as a shield in its left hand) or the Totsuka no Tsurugi (which traps the target in an eternal dream-like genjutsu). To add, keeping Susano'o sustained in the physical realm means the user must act as a medium, allowing Susano'o to consume their life force energy. This puts a severe strain on the user's body and prolonged use will lead to their death, as we saw with Itachi.

EDIT: Just saw Rukia Hime has covered most of the idea already above. xD

you are right in 'most of it'. itachi didnt die because he used susanoo, he died because he was already very ill or injured and knew he was going to die. that's why his haste to fight sasuke and transfer his powers to him.

Another thing (this does not have to do with your post), im starting to believe that the whole tail beasts-capture-thing is all a distraction, madara's plans should be something else. if he wanted to capture naruto he would have done so while he appear behind him while naruto was sleeping. right?. i personally dont think madara needs the tail beasts for anything.

 

[Stealth Assasin]

A very well written post. Your links, that you seem to offer up as rocksolid arguments sasuke's strenght, don't really stand up to scrutiny, if you ask me.

Your first link, page 03 of manga 464: Raikage strictly speaking acknowleges Hatake Kakashi's attack, not Uchiha Sasuke's strenght/genious/etc. Yes Sasuke got a few points for the attack, but really, the chidori is a tried and tested (and powerful) technique, so nothing new here.

Your second link, page 06 of manga 464: The samurai assumes (quite rightly, I think), that there's little chance of Sasuke, or anyone else, surviving an attack like that. However we know that Sasuke survived thanks to a fledgling, infantile version of Susano, given to him by Itachi. NOT because of some inherent ability from Sasuke himself. Hell, we can't even be sure of whether Sasuke had the sense to activate it himself, or if it activated on it's own thanks to Itachi's machinations. So, no points awarded.

Your third link, page 08 of manga 464: Raikage's bodyguards do seem to acknowledge Sasuke. But what are they really praising? Susanoo and Tsukuyomi. And where did they come from again? Yup, you quessed it, Uchiha Itachi. Again. So no points awarded to sasuke in my books. Again.

Your final link, page 15 of manga 464: Shi does ask himself (keyword "ask") whether Sasuke is more skilled than itachi. I grant you, lighting the susano aflame with amaterasu is deftly done. Certainly a trick that Itachi couldn't have told him about. But there's no reason to assume Itachi wasn't able to do the same. Really, all it takes is activating amaterasy, and looking at susanoo. Not high level stuff, but very clever. So while Sasuke gets a point from me for a clever (if a touch desperate, in my eyes, given how the battle was going) trick, it doesn't mean that he's more skilled than Itachi.

Finally, I agree with your reasoning for why Sasuke won't die, but will at worst get mauled by Raikage and then saved by someone else, but I think you're giving him too much credit with "not only uses Susanoo but takes Amaterasu to a whole new level". I've already explained what I think of his amaterasu, and as I said, his susanoo does not come close to Itachi's techique.

Very Well Debated... I was thinkin the same thin....just didnt have the strangth to type it out ...... Nice work mate!!!!!!!

 

[Stealth Assasin]

I think this is a good point that he (Madara/Tobi) needs the tailed beast to fully exsist, which is why he can just disappear/teleport etc, ....which proves that the real identity of Madara/Tobi is............

Lord Voldemort!!! Same thing right?! : )

hahahaha... yea pretty much!!!!!

 

[cjoe7]

So here's what we know for sure:

1. Sasuke's not gonna die. He's the other main character in Naruto and Kishi's not killing him anytime soon.
2. The Raikage/Sasuke fight is merely a show of Sasuke's current ablities and current level. He is now able to fight against a kage and is shown to be on comparable footing.
3. The Raikage is not simply a dumb jock. He's a KAGE for a reason and brute strength alone is not that reason. He is a tactiction and stategist. His only downfall in the Sasuke fight however, may be his strong emotion of revenge which MAY cloud his judgement. (I don't know if sacrificing his arm was his ONLY option at the time, but he felt it necessary because he's extemely bent on finishing Sasuke NOW).

I don't believe Sasuke can beat the Raikage. The Raikage's use of the raiton nullifies Sasuke's sharringan. The Raikage actually has the advantage in terms of monitoring his opponent, which is usually Sasuke's advantage. Also, the Raikage has much more battlefield experience and a vast knowledge as to dealing with high-level ninja suck as the Uchihas (madara, itachi and now sasuke).

I support the "bail-out" plan most of you are suggesting. Either sasuke is forced to retreat and regroup or Madara intervenes and rescues sasuke somehow.

BUT, I wouldn't put it passed Kishi to come up with some ultimate jutsu by Sasuke to defeat the Raikage. Kishi's point would be that Naruto defeated a Kage-level opponent (Negato) so Sasuke can beat one too (Raikage).

 

[great sage naruto]

you are right in 'most of it'. itachi didnt die because he used susanoo, he died because he was already very ill or injured and knew he was going to die. that's why his haste to fight sasuke and transfer his powers to him.

Another thing (this does not have to do with your post), im starting to believe that the whole tail beasts-capture-thing is all a distraction, madara's plans should be something else. if he wanted to capture naruto he would have done so while he appear behind him while naruto was sleeping. right?. i personally dont think madara needs the tail beasts for anything.

it hink you're right the hosts are probably the only persons that can stand against madara

 

[dbzboy300]

Wow, Kishi is indeed a writer. It seems to me that the story line is almost similar to a chinese movie that I watched a couple years ago.

and I can see why Madara wants Naruto to have a match with Sasuke badly. Madara clearly stated that he represents himself the older and 1st hokage the younger son. Since Madara lost the battle to the 1st hokage, Madara is still holding the hatred and hate in his heart. He (Madara) is not satisfied to live without a fair and a rematch battle that is similiar to the first battle he had with the 1st hokage. Thus, he wants to train (allowing Sasuke gets stronger)Sasuke to become the former self of Madara and Naruto become the 1st hokage. The fight will be the same as the 1st and Madara back then. Once Naruto beats Sasuke, now then Madara will fight with Naruto; for Madara, naruto has the same identity and spirit of the 1st Hokage. To satisfy his needs, Madara just wants to have a rematch with the 1st Hokage but the 1st hokage is already dead so he cannot have a rematch with him anymore; however, Naruto who has the spirit of the Hokage will represent the 1st hokage, and because of that Madara wants to have a revenge on Naruto instead. IF Madara beats Naruto (who has the spirit of the 1st hokage), then Madara will be satisfied because in his feeling Madara's goal is to beat the first Hokage only since he hates him (first hokage) so much.

Of course, at this level, Madara does not want to beat Naruto because Naruto is not strong enough for Madara. Madara would not be satistied to beat a weakling. Because of his PRIDE, Madara wants to have a fair match like the first battle he had with the 1st or even much stronger. That is why he is waiting for Naruto to get stronger and beat Sasuke who is representing the former self of Madara.

That's how I see it folks. and it 's similar to the chinese movie that i watched before!

 

[francois brown]

raikage is raw:naruto:

 

[Toughdude]

Another thing, im starting to believe that the whole tail beasts-capture-thing is all a distraction, madara's plans should be something else. if he wanted to capture naruto he would have done so while he appear behind him while naruto was sleeping. right?. i personally dont think madara needs the tail beasts for anything.

Technically speaking, if Madara wants or NEEDS :naruto: to fight and or kill :sasuke: for sum sort of unknown plan he would b better off waiting for that to happen im sure :naruto: will not want to kill :sasuke: but :sasuke: will want to kill :naruto: madara will get impatient and kill sasuke (or mortally wound him like Pein did Hinata) because he knows :naruto: wont kill :sasuke: causing :naruto: to go full 9 tails BUT :naruto: will survive :sakura: will cry and bitch and bring him back then :naruto: and :sasuke: will team up.

Madara might control the kyuubi or MAYBE absorb him and the 8-tail beast into the statue then start blowing shit up, all the kages will band 2gether (xcept Danzo cuz i hope he dies be4 then) but get Sh*t kicked then :naruto: and :sasuke: will do pretty good then everyone will fight Madara and :naruto: will do the finisher move with :sasuke: then every Kage will xcept :naruto: and will b offered the Hokage position but he might refuse it and travel around just like J-man did and build up a reputation, Sasuke would get with Sakura, Naruto would come back from his travels after a few years and would be a wise leader then get with Hinata and become Hokage. Im just guessing though, anything could happen. It would be nice if it happened

Just a side note: I think it would be cool if :naruto: trained with all the Kages in Sage mode and everyone in the village watched....lol their jaws would all drop. IMO

 

[Ssj4SonNino]

it seems that this thread is a duplicate of the last prediction thread from last chapters. All the same ideas just worded differently. Peace. Check ya'll next week.

Cant wait till Naruto gets there. And I hope Danzou dies already.

 

[Stealth Assasin]

it seems that this thread is a duplicate of the last prediction thread from last chapters. All the same ideas just worded differently. Peace. Check ya'll next week.

Cant wait till Naruto gets there. And I hope Danzou dies already.

LOL..... yea...pretty much seems like it... n i think the danzou ack will be longer n a lot will be revealed before or during the demise of danzou.

 

[Rock Freakin Lee]

anyone expecting a new sharingan move next week?

yeah i am. if sasuke is going to to get outta this pwning session he will need a new sharningan technique.

 

[EternalUchihaSasuke]

sasuke will beat the raikage. its a given. xDD

 

[Rock Freakin Lee]

i hope that after hat he will stop caring and beat sasuke to a bloody pulp. i mean one he gets to him what would he do? gotta let it go.