[Predictions] Naruto Manga 454 Predictions / 453 Discussion

[chopsy16]

Yup! I'm bringing it back. Tobi=Obito. Let's examine Tobi's teleportation jutsu. What does he do when he teleports... He goes in some sort of time portal. Ok, Lets look at Kakashi's mangekyo sharingan. What does he do...He send things into some sort of portal. Where did Kakashi get his sharingan from? Obito. So who else would be able to use this sort of technique...Obito. I believe that Madara Uchiha somehow took control of Obito's body. How he did this is something that I don't know but it is also something that is not outside of the Naruto realm because we all know that Orochimaru had the ability to take control of other people's body. I believe this is extremely obvious and kishi hinted towards it when Kakashi noticed that Madara had a sharingan.

Well first off.. Tobi doesn't use teleporation jutsu.. teleportation is just extreme high speed movements (ch 395.. pg 9).. wat tobi uses is the time/space ninjutsu at a vry advanced level.. wich is movin his body/body parts to a different space/dimension and bringin it bac (well not completely sure abt this but one gets the idea).. time/space ninjutsu's are not limited to sharingan users as we all know the 4th cud use it too.. Moreover this special ability of sharingans to send things/objects (or even body in case of tobi) to diff portal/dimension/space is shared or can be done by all sharigan users and not just kakashi or tobi.. sasuke during his fight with diedara summoned manda and used a jutsu to go to diff dimension/space to escape the blast.. (ch 363.. pg 14).. even Karin cudn't sense sasuke's chakra for that short period.. so m expectin it was time/space jutsu as well.. yes with sharingan one can blast objects or ur own body to diff dimension.. but it is not limited to just tobi or kakashi.. sasuke too can do it.. ofcourse tobi does without makin any hand seals which fascinates kakashi.. also when kakashi blasts off diedara's right arm using his MS.. diedara says that "There is someone who uses eye techniques at Itachi's level".. so m sure Itachi cud also use it although we never saw him using it..

 

[Uzumaki Chuck Norris]

Yup! I'm bringing it back. Tobi=Obito. Let's examine Tobi's teleportation jutsu. What does he do when he teleports... He goes in some sort of time portal. Ok, Lets look at Kakashi's mangekyo sharingan. What does he do...He send things into some sort of portal. Where did Kakashi get his sharingan from? Obito. So who else would be able to use this sort of technique...Obito. I believe that Madara Uchiha somehow took control of Obito's body. How he did this is something that I don't know but it is also something that is not outside of the Naruto realm because we all know that Orochimaru had the ability to take control of other people's body. I believe this is extremely obvious and kishi hinted towards it when Kakashi noticed that Madara had a sharingan.

Im still one of the Tobi=Obito believers. Heres a new thought. What if Obito some how figured out how to use the time/space jutsu with his sharingan while he was under the rocks? That would explain how he got out of the rubble. But one thing has been on my mind, if it is Obito, why didnt he have any reaction when he saw Kakashi? Then again, he did get half his head smashed...he could have lost his memory and since he has the sharingan, thinks hes Madara.

 

[Stealth Assasin]

Script Posted by Serenity & Vered @ Naruto Fan
Source: Nja @ 2ch
Translation by : boyakist4649 from MH
Verification: Confirmed

んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg ：2009/06/30(火) 20:50:39 ID:0qnXvlnh0

土影様から　小さなおじいちゃんが土影様
　　　　　　自分の荷物を自分で持ってぎっくり腰をしちゃう頑固爺
　　　　　　赤ツチ・黒ツチってお供二人を連れ（男女?男はアンパン○ンみたいなやつ女はアン コをさらにき つくしたような感じ）

Starts off with Tsuchi-kage (Earth/Soil-kage) ? he?s actually a small old man.
He?s a stubborn old man that apparently threw out his back trying to hold his baggage on his own.
He has two companions ? Aka-Tsuchi (red-soil) and Kuro-Tsuchi (Black-soil). (of the companions ? the man looks like Anpanman, the woman looks like Anko with a little bit of weight.)

　　　　　　会談へ
水影様　髪型を変えたツナデの様な人
　　　　青っておっさんとなんとか７忍衆の一人を連れ会談へ
　　　　最近の若いやつは　根気　がないな～そんな説教してたら　遅れ　ちゃい～
　　　　が　婚期が遅れる?　と勘違いし
　　　　だまれ殺すぞ　　っていっちゃう美人

To the summit
Mizu-kage (water) looks like a Tsunade with a different hairstyle.
She is with a man called ?Ao? (Blue) and one of the Seven Swordsmen.
The young one was being lectured for lacking patience ? and the young one misunderstands being ?late? to be associated with a delayed pregnancy. The pretty-looking one tells him to shut up and threatens him. (Translator?s note: Just appears to be a semi-comedic exchange amongst them)

雷影様　こいつはいいなあつすぎる男　さあ　いくぞおおおおおお　って
　　　　いって部屋を突き破って出発

Rai-kage (thunder) says this guy?s a good, passionate guy. As he says ?Let?s GOOOO!? He blasts through the room and makes his departure.

ナルトへ　人気のないところに連れてきたナルト　さっさと情報よこせ
　　　　　と言われるが　　　やっぱサスケは売れない?　
　　　　　お前らがサスケ達を殺しちまったらうちの里の奴らが～憎しみの連鎖～
　　　　　んじゃ今ある俺らの憎しみはどうしたらいいんだ？
　ナルトの答えは　気が済むまで殴ってくれ→ナルトフルボッコタイムへ

To Naruto. Naruto brings them (presumably the two Kumogakure-nins) to an isolated place and is told to give them information about Sasuke. But Naruto refuses to sell Sasuke out?
If you kill Sasuke ? our village will retaliate and the endless chain of hate will perpetuate.
Then what should we do with the hate that WE harbour? (again, presumably the two Kumogakure-nins)
And Naruto?s answer: you can keep hitting me until you?re satisfied ?> Naruto gets a beating

んでダンゾウ
To Danzou
　　
根　アンコには２人の見張りがついていますがやりますか？
ダン　今は大切な時期だ～そんな事をしたら大変だ
　　　それよりカブトをはやく発見するんだ（あいつは私とおろち丸の関係を知っているかもしれ ん?）
　　　あいつがもっている今までの医療データやらおろち丸の実験の資料などを探すほうが先決だ　　　わしの 右目・右手に役立つ事が載っているかもしれないのでな?

Ne (Root-anbu): Anko has two monitoring her ? shall we go forward?
Danzou: Right now is an important time ? we can?t afford to do that now.
More importantly, we need to find Kabuto (He may know my connection with Orochimaru).
We need the medical data and experimental information from Orochimaru?s work ? that should be our priority.
Since he may have information that may be useful to my right eye and right hand?

 

[MeSSiahMacK]

Well first off.. Tobi doesn't use teleporation jutsu.. teleportation is just extreme high speed movements (ch 395.. pg 9).. wat tobi uses is the time/space ninjutsu at a vry advanced level.. wich is movin his body/body parts to a different space/dimension and bringin it bac (well not completely sure abt this but one gets the idea).. time/space ninjutsu's are not limited to sharingan users as we all know the 4th cud use it too.. Moreover this special ability of sharingans to send things/objects (or even body in case of tobi) to diff portal/dimension/space is shared or can be done by all sharigan users and not just kakashi or tobi.. sasuke during his fight with diedara summoned manda and used a jutsu to go to diff dimension/space to escape the blast.. (ch 363.. pg 14).. even Karin cudn't sense sasuke's chakra for that short period.. so m expectin it was time/space jutsu as well.. yes with sharingan one can blast objects or ur own body to diff dimension.. but it is not limited to just tobi or kakashi.. sasuke too can do it.. ofcourse tobi does without makin any hand seals which fascinates kakashi.. also when kakashi blasts off diedara's right arm using his MS.. diedara says that "There is someone who uses eye techniques at Itachi's level".. so m sure Itachi cud also use it although we never saw him using it..

I understand what you're saying but Sasugay did not used the space/time jutsu during the fight with Deidara. All he did was summon Madara and get inside of him to escape the blast. We have yet to see any other sharingan user perform the same dimension jutsu as Kakashi. I believe that Madara has the same sharingan as Kakashi but since he has an Uchiha body and more experience with it he is able to do things with it that Kakashi couldn't imagine. One of those "things" is being able to enter the space portal and travel through it to any destination he desires. What happens inside the time portal?... I don't know, but I'm sure you've noticed that whenever Madara enters the dimension he is sucked into it in the same manner that things are sucked into Kakashi's dimension.

 

[chopsy16]

well I gav ch 363.. pg 14 already as proof.. So plz read that specific page.. m not makin that statement myself.. seguitsu said it himself.. "You went inside manda and used a jutsu to fly into diff space".. goin into diff space with a jutsu?? how else u interpret that??? if he hadn't flown into diff space they both (manda n sasuke) wud hav been dead..
As for suckin into dimension.. yes it is same when kakashi uses.. n when tobi vanishes.. but since its space/time jutsu.. its a sharingan abilty.. even when sasuke went to diff space m sure it was same... jus due to blast it wasn't shown..

 

[Narut0h0lic]

i wonder how strong can the kages be!!! i would love to see them at full strength

 

[Rasenga]

well I gav ch 363.. pg 14 already as proof.. So plz read that specific page.. m not makin that statement myself.. seguitsu said it himself.. "You went inside manda and used a jutsu to fly into diff space".. goin into diff space with a jutsu?? how else u interpret that??? if he hadn't flown into diff space they both (manda n sasuke) wud hav been dead..
As for suckin into dimension.. yes it is same when kakashi uses.. n when tobi vanishes.. but since its space/time jutsu.. its a sharingan abilty.. even when sasuke went to diff space m sure it was same... jus due to blast it wasn't shown..

you guy's should kknow by now that all sumons live in diferent dimention , so sasuke only made manda to teleport with his sharingan !
And if tobi=madara why wouldnt he has similar sharingan as kakashi?
remeber when tobi was telling sasuke about his brother kishi showed to as two diferent sharinga of madara and his brothe ,and after eye's trade madaras sharingan became like 2 in 1 !
So when kakashi took obito's sharingan he get MS just like obito should have had coz kakashi hadnt his own sharingan and there was no mix !
And finaly if obito was alive he would have the same sharingan as kakashi!

 

[Rasenga]

i wonder how strong can the kages be!!! i would love to see them at full strength

we all would like to see them on fight

 

[MeSSiahMacK]

well I gav ch 363.. pg 14 already as proof.. So plz read that specific page.. m not makin that statement myself.. seguitsu said it himself.. "You went inside manda and used a jutsu to fly into diff space".. goin into diff space with a jutsu?? how else u interpret that??? if he hadn't flown into diff space they both (manda n sasuke) wud hav been dead..
As for suckin into dimension.. yes it is same when kakashi uses.. n when tobi vanishes.. but since its space/time jutsu.. its a sharingan abilty.. even when sasuke went to diff space m sure it was same... jus due to blast it wasn't shown..

Resenga explained it well. When the summoned beast goes back to their dimension what happens?...they "teleport". All Sasugay did was control Manda with his sharingan and make him come to where the explosion was going to be, then back to where Manda was prior to him being taken control over by Sasugay's sharingan. Go back to that same chapter you told me to read and read it in it's entirety, you'll see that Manda's eyes have been taken over by the sharingan which means that he was under Sasugay's control. Later Suigetsu, I believe it was him or Juugo I don't feel like looking to see exactly who it was, but one of them expresses their disapproval of Sasugay forcing animals to do things that they don't want to do. Later in chapter 363 what happens?... Suigetsu summons Manda and Sasugay exits out of his mouth. If Sasugay actually did go to some other dimension as you're suggesting, Suigetsu would not have been able to summon him. All Suigetsu did was summon Manda which is the same thing that Naruto, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru, and The 3rd did with there beasts.

 

[chopsy16]

you guy's should kknow by now that all sumons live in diferent dimention , so sasuke only made manda to teleport with his sharingan !
And if tobi=madara why wouldnt he has similar sharingan as kakashi?
remeber when tobi was telling sasuke about his brother kishi showed to as two diferent sharinga of madara and his brothe ,and after eye's trade madaras sharingan became like 2 in 1 !
So when kakashi took obito's sharingan he get MS just like obito should have had coz kakashi hadnt his own sharingan and there was no mix !
And finaly if obito was alive he would have the same sharingan as kakashi!

no summons live in differnt dimension.. where did u find out that from???
like Myobukazan mountain.. u can reach there by foot and ther is a secret way to get there.. it is reachable by foot as pa frog told naruto.. m sure other animals or summons live in secret places.. which normal ppl can't find out abt or reach easily..

u r right abt everythin else.. except I think u meant to say if Tobi = Obito??? right.. I donno wat u mean by "if tobi=madara"?? as they r same person..

 

[chopsy16]

Resenga explained it well. When the summoned beast goes back to their dimension what happens?...they "teleport". All Sasugay did was control Manda with his sharingan and make him come to where the explosion was going to be, then back to where Manda was prior to him being taken control over by Sasugay's sharingan. Go back to that same chapter you told me to read and read it in it's entirety, you'll see that Manda's eyes have been taken over by the sharingan which means that he was under Sasugay's control. Later Suigetsu, I believe it was him or Juugo I don't feel like looking to see exactly who it was, but one of them expresses their disapproval of Sasugay forcing animals to do things that they don't want to do. Later in chapter 363 what happens?... Suigetsu summons Manda and Sasugay exits out of his mouth. If Sasugay actually did go to some other dimension as you're suggesting, Suigetsu would not have been able to summon him. All Suigetsu did was summon Manda which is the same thing that Naruto, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru, and The 3rd did with there beasts.

I have read the chapter in their entirety more then enough... I know sasuke summoned manda.. used his sharingan to apply genjutsu on manda(as seen in his eyes).. controlled manda.. and hid inside his mouth..then went to a diff space along with him to escape the blast... then seigetsu summoned them back using a scroll.. I never disagreed to all that?????? plus we r not discussing that..

Now u r saying ... "All Sasugay did was control Manda with his sharingan and make him come to where the explosion was going to be, then back to where Manda was prior to him being taken control over by Sasugay's sharingan"..

Sasuke flies to different space (or whereever this place where manda lives).. still inside's mandas mouth.. thats wat the main point is.. how did he do that?? (segetsu says to sasuke that you used a JUTSU** to fly into diff space) wat was this jutsu.. Rasenga says he teleported?? once again teleportation is just high speed movements.. he may b right.. but I think he used a space/time ninjutsu to move to diff space/dimension.. I dont think he used high speed movement to move to a diff space.. Wat do u think?? how did he do that??
yes after movin to this diff dimension.. he n manda were summoned back by seigetsu..
I don't like sasuke that much.. nor do hate him.. Also if u read Rasenga's post.. he made good point that we seen how kakashi's MS looks and how Tobi/Madara's MS looks.. They showed Madara's MS in one of the chapters I forgot wich one.. they look different from each other.. so the conclusion is kakashi's n Tobi/Madara's sharingans r diff.. they r not same ppl.. if u still think they r... so b it.. u hav ur own opinion.. we hav our own

 

[Jinco]

I have to say I believe you can call what Tobi is doing Teleporting. I mean he is transferring his matter from one point to another. In a way just like the blue devil (Nightcrawler) or the kid in Jumper but I can be way off.

I just looked at the Sasuke and deidara fight again and it is clear Sasuke has the ability to use a type of space jutsu but what is not clear is why did he need Manda and it was not because he needed cover from the blast. Also why did he need to be summoned?

To get back on topic, If Sasuke has an understanding of time/space jutsu he may have a way to attack :hypertobi:. This could add to what Sasuke want to test. But to come up with an attack that can counter a time/space jutsu that would be something.

 

[Jinco]

To all the Tobi=Obito believers I would like to see obito come back but I just don't know about the Tobi=Obito thing. I don't see Itichi being tricked by Obito and the only person Itichi may form an agreement with could only be Madara.

But yes they should bring back Obito, Madaras brother, Hanzo and Six path sage.

 

[UnknowNinjaName]

you guys talking about tobis time space ninjutsu ...but the fact is tobi learned Retsu...

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[chopsy16]

I have to say I believe you can call what Tobi is doing Teleporting. I mean he is transferring his matter from one point to another. In a way just like the blue devil (Nightcrawler) or the kid in Jumper but I can be way off.

I just looked at the Sasuke and deidara fight again and it is clear Sasuke has the ability to use a type of space jutsu but what is not clear is why did he need Manda and it was not because he needed cover from the blast. Also why did he need to be summoned?

To get back on topic, If Sasuke has an understanding of time/space jutsu he may have a way to attack :hypertobi:. This could add to what Sasuke want to test. But to come up with an attack that can counter a time/space jutsu that would be something.

thts a good point.. I hav a guess as to why sasuke needed to summon manda first n then fly to this other space.. whn the blast happens he summons manda to evade it.. I think he needs time to use this jutsu.. may b making seals or accumilating chakra.. or he hasnt mastered jutsu he needs time to use it.. thats why he took a little bit of the blast hit(despite being inside manda) but manda bore the brunt of it and died b4 they got out of thr.. its jus a speculation though

 

[Rasenga]

no summons live in differnt dimension.. where did u find out that from???
like Myobukazan mountain.. u can reach there by foot and ther is a secret way to get there.. it is reachable by foot as pa frog told naruto.. m sure other animals or summons live in secret places.. which normal ppl can't find out abt or reach easily..

u r right abt everythin else.. except I think u meant to say if Tobi = Obito??? right.. I donno wat u mean by "if tobi=madara"?? as they r same person..

Yea , my mistake !
i thought i read in manga about sumons living in dif dimantion but anyway i dont want to discus
this ! my main thought was that sasuke has no time/space abilities!

 

[donnic]

Yea , my mistake !
i thought i read in manga about sumons living in dif dimantion but anyway i dont want to discus
this ! my main thought was that sasuke has no time/space abilities!

agreed.....who else thinks that zetzu will be the last member of akatsuki just my guess but we never see much of him and he is never sent into battle which makes me think he may just be like "i cant belive that he died" cuse thats basically what hes been saying the hole time. anyways just wondering if anyone else had the same thoughts as me

 

[donnic]

Great chapter and it's the first time I actually got scared of Tobi >.<'

And due the Sakura's crying, we can conduct that she still has very strong feelings for Sasuke.

yet another reason why i think it will be hinata who gets with naruto (but like not till the VERY last chapter or a few before the last, since it is not a love story thats basically the best palce to put the answer of who goes with naruto....coarse kishi may just leave us hanging and not show us at all >.<)

 

[settler]

yet another reason why i think it will be hinata who gets with naruto (but like not till the VERY last chapter or a few before the last, since it is not a love story thats basically the best palce to put the answer of who goes with naruto....coarse kishi may just leave us hanging and not show us at all >.<)

hmmm.. I have a gut feeling that Kishi will let Sakura love Sasuke in the end and Hinata with Naruto.

 

[settler]

Speaking about Madara(Tobi)-Obito, I can't think clearly that this theory is true. Obito died a long time and Kakashi saw his dead body smashed by the big boulder. Also, I haven't read any hint conversation that Madara(Tobi) is Obito. All I can predict is Madara uses the name TObi as alias.