[Predictions] Naruto Manga 451 Predictions / 450 Discussion

[Hikakuu Yondaimesama]

Interesting issue. First thing, I thought the welcome home and celebration of narutos return was too short, for an issue called the joyful village, its only a 1/3 of the issue. As for Danzo being Madara, I dont see it, too many people have seen both of them, and at least someone would put the clues together, and since itachi worked for danzo and then madara, I am pretty sure he would have figured it out. I do think there is a connection there, perhaps working together or related. As for pein killing hanzo the mizukage, he didnt. Hanzo just disappeared instantly in a puff of smoke during the attack. anyone else we know that can move the speed of light? tobi/madara can and Kisame even calls tobi the mizukage, and through peins flash back we see danzo and hanzo working together. As for Danzo becoming the hokage, I thought there were a list of requirements you had to meet first, like knowing a thousand jutsu. Also why would anyone think that danzo would be good for the village when he hid like a lil girl during the attack?

Hanzo is from the Rain village
Mizukage is Water country, the Rain village is one of the smaller countries and doesn't have a Kage. Why they were in such a pain is because the Rain country is in the middle of the Rock to the north, the Sand to the southwest and the Fire country to the East. And during the war they were the place were all armies came together.

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[Hikakuu Yondaimesama]

I still don't get why people wont believe that Tobi is Madara, even when he said it himself. I see no reason why he should lie about that.

It's possible that there's a connection between Danzo and Tobi or that they even are the same person, but there's not even the slightest bit of evidence to proof this theory.

All these theories that circulate about this subject always claim that they are right and that they have proof, but this so called proof are, at best, wannabe clues.

It remaines a fact that Tobi said himself he's Madara and there is still no proof who, especially not the wannabe clues, can invalidate this fact.

Read Chapter 396 page 17. Tobi takes off his mask and at the very bottom of the page it says, "WHAT IS MADARA'S PLOT? NEXT TIME "AFTERGLOW!""

hmm ye what is his next plot

 

[Naruto Power]

Konoha History
-World war going on
-2 ninja group become the strongest in all country killing all ninjas who stand in there way.
-these groups after years of battling each other reach peace.
-they later start a village in the land of the fire its called Konoha. they are allowed to have there own leader for the village because both groups are strong enough to overthrow the fire lord if wanted. Both groups can remeber on groups name but its strongest is the 1st holkage. the second group is the sharigan users lead by there strongest Mardara.
-Madara and the 1st disagree on the way the village should be ran. the 1st way is "care for your village, friends and famly protect what you care about". AKA the way naruto and the 3rd, 4th, kakashi, J-man, naruto are. Madaras way was to lead by power crush them before they have enough power to crush you. this way is like Oro, Danzo, and other country leaders.
-So the 1st and Madara go at it the 1st wins. this is when the leaf head band came in. 1st power is trees = Leaf.
-because of the 1st ways some of the sharigan users fallowed his way, to madara where traders to there people for not fallowing his way.
-3rd find Oro doing bad stuff to the people of the village. but because Oro is his student and he cares for him he cant kill him. oro leaves village pissed at getting kicked out for trying to become stronger.
-madara with a mask now called Tobi attacks village for the first time. why now remember each holkage is strong then the on before exept the 5th and danzo. so madara was back in the day weaker then the 1st. but now he has learned how to control and release the 9tailed beast he attacks.
-4th tries to fight madara=tobi with mask when he realizes he is contolling the 9tails. the 4th cant even land a hit on the guy with a mask. How do you ask. the same way kakashi can cut a guys arm off by warping it to another diementon. but he warps his intire body. (this is show when naruto attacks tobi and shoots throw his but swears he hit him)
-the 4th dies sealing 9tails in new born son
-the 3rd and danzo now fight over the seat of holkage.
-its not said when but i think after the 4th died. just like now but the 3rd would not let danzo bring konoha to war and beat his ass down before he could become the holkage then. i also think the 3rd crippled him because he knew like oro he would come back to bite him in the ass.
-all sharigan users but 4 killed. Madara=tobi/itchachi/sasuke/kakashi. killed by itachi and his teacher madara. this was madara getting back at his people for siding with the 1st.

-it shows danzo known what was going to happen both times or all 3 times the village got attacked and did nothing.
-I think madara only got on eye from his bro. because the black fire is a move for a born eye. like madaras bro. itachi, sasuke. all can do it.
-When madara was pulling out the eye his bro triggers amasura? black fire. and burn madaras face now the reason for the mask and only one eye.
-Now that madara has a transplanted eye he can demention warp like kakashi.
-this maybe whare madara got the 9 tails from the same place as the 3 tails turtle in the fillers.
-also if someones going to say that madara didnt realse the 9tails he did the 9tails has only seen the 4th/madara/naruto/sasuke. when he sees sasuke he says something about hes strong like madara to be able to see me.

I also agree naruto sasuke team up beat down danzo.

 

[yueariadne]

What is really bugging me is when Madara said "I need to find pawns to sync with gedo Mazo" do you think there will be new rinnengan user (Sage of six paths brought back from dead) and what paths (Jiraiya etc.)

Tell me!!!

Peace Out

man... that makes me crazy too... but i don't think that will have another rinn user... it doesn't fit... simply doesn't fit in my mind....
but... if that's the case... i bought ur idea of... the sannins path.... think it's pretty cool...
as the gedo mazo involves blood line... it would be impossible even to madara to try an copy the jutsu...
the only possibility of that loophole to be fulllfiled it's to have another rinn user.....

but i've got a point... i don't remember very well so... if i'm mistaken sorry....
but who, where and when was said that the Gedo Mazo it's blood line of the rinn???
i don't know.... that could be the hole... another user for gedo mazo... but with diferent kind of powers... not trully the rinn.. but something similar...
dunno.... i'm pretty confused tooo...

see ya... ;D
lot's of doubts... ^^'''''''

 

[ali7861]

I would like to see Tsunade waking up. Her and Naruto will tell Kakashi all the bad stuff about danzo and convince him danzo can't become hokage. Tsunade will recommend Kakashi as the sixth. Than Danzo and Kakashi will fight for the the sixth hogake. It probably won't happen... But i think Kakashi against Danzo for the title of hogake would be PRETTY SICK

 

[Itachi Sama]

Again, I don't want to infringe upon fans's rights to express their opinion, but it would be greatly beneficial if common sense or logic were often taken into consideration when analyzing Naruto's manga. I don't know if it's the new fans, but some fans talk about the manga as if they had no clue or concept about the series. 1) Danzo just can not be Madara. Madara is Tobi-he said it himself-. If Danzo were Madara, why would he have lost to the third hokage? Madara is the strongest villain in the series, not defeated even by the fourth hokage. It would make more sense to suggest that Madara and Danzo have a connection, but not that they are one and the same, since Danzo actually cares about the village-regardless of his skewed plans- while Madara wishes its destruction. How could Danzo be Madara? Madara was one of Konoha's founders, and I am pretty sure Danzo had not been born at the time. 2) Danzo can not be Madara's brother since the latter's sibling died after offering his mangekyou sharingan eyes to Madara. If Danzo were Madara's brother, then he would be a blind Uchija-since he had given his eyes to Madara-. Instead, he seems to have at least one eye.

 

[Itachi Sama]

I would like to see Tsunade waking up. Her and Naruto will tell Kakashi all the bad stuff about danzo and convince him danzo can't become hokage. Tsunade will recommend Kakashi as the sixth. Than Danzo and Kakashi will fight for the the sixth hogake. It probably won't happen... But i think Kakashi against Danzo for the title of hogake would be PRETTY SICK

Indeed, my friend. There is a good one!!

 

[chopsy16]

Okay.. I think I found out the mystery behind "gedo mazo"..

see chapter 447 pg 07... nagato uses "kuchiyose gedo mazo"... summoning the statue while fighting against hanzo... so I guess when madara refers to as "gedo mazo" hes talkin abt the statue which absorbs the bijuu from jinchurikis when they use that 9 dragon Fuin seal tech (something like that)...

Also I personally don't think danzo and madara are the same ppl... danzo has been mentioned in Konoha history for a long time.. he formed anbu.. ordered sai to kill sasuke (his secret mission).. fought the 3rd hokage for the hokage title and LOST... I am guessin he got injured during that fight and thats y the bandages and not because he has sharingan in right eye.. y wud he order sai to kill sasuke if he was indeed madara?? i think he is just a sadist by nature and his methods are hated by everyone..

As for Madara.. I think he only needs to use one eye as he is trying to save up his chakra by not using the other one.. which could explain y he has had a long life.. Since sharingan uses a lot of chakra as we hav seen in case of sasuke and itachi so he might use both eyes during battles only.. this way he might have extended his life this long..
The other prediction cud be he might have lost it in battle against first hokage but there is no proof of that as yet as we don't know wat happ during that battle..

 

[chopsy16]

Again, I don't want to infringe upon fans's rights to express their opinion, but it would be greatly beneficial if common sense or logic were often taken into consideration when analyzing Naruto's manga. I don't know if it's the new fans, but some fans talk about the manga as if they had no clue or concept about the series. 1) Danzo just can not be Madara. Madara is Tobi-he said it himself-. If Danzo were Madara why would he have lost to the third hokage? Madara is the strongest villain in the series, not defeated even by the fourth hokage. It would make more sense to suggest that Madara and Danzo have a connection, but not that they are one and the same since Danzo actually cares about the village-regardless of his skewed plans- while Madara wishes its destruction. How would that even be? Madara was one of Konoha's founders, and I am pretty sure Danzo had not been born at the time. 2) Danzo can not be Madara's brother since the latter's sibling died after offering him his mangekyou sharingan eyes. If Danzo were Madara's brother then he would have been a blind Uchija-since he had given his eyes to Madara-. Instead, he seems to have at least one eye.

You are soo right bro... thnks for ur post!!

 

[Itachi Sama]

Okay.. I think I found out the mystery behind "gedo mazo"..

see chapter 447 pg 07... nagato uses "kuchiyose gedo mazo"... summoning the statue while fighting against hanzo... so I guess when madara refers to as "gedo mazo" hes talkin abt the statue which absorbs the bijuu from jinchurikis when they use that 9 dragon Fuin seal tech (something like that)...

Also I personally don't think danzo and madara are the same ppl... danzo has been mentioned in Konoha history for a long time.. he formed anbu.. ordered sai to kill sasuke (his secret mission).. fought the 3rd hokage for the hokage title and LOST... I am guessin he got injured during that fight and thats y the bandages and not because he has sharingan in right eye.. y wud he order sai to kill sasuke if he was indeed madara?? i think he is just a sadist by nature and his methods are hated by everyone..

As for Madara.. I think he only needs to use one eye as he is trying to save up his chakra by not using the other one.. which could explain y he has had a long life.. Since sharingan uses a lot of chakra as we hav seen in case of sasuke and itachi so he might use both eyes during battles only.. this way he might have extended his life this long..
The other prediction cud be he might have lost it in battle against first hokage but there is no proof of that as yet as we don't know wat happ during that battle..

I like your theory about Madara using his two sharingan eyes only during battle in order to save chakra. I never thought about that. But remeber that Madara/Tobi was able to extend his life span due to the Eternal Magekyou Sharingan which grants immortality to the user.

 

[ali7861]

Remember how after the whole itachi/sasuke arc finished, when naruto was finally resting he remembered what itachi gave him and what they talked about. I wonder if there will be a similar seen between naruto and nagato when naruto finally gets the chance to rest and reflect upon everything. Nagato never finished his sentence in 449. He said "naruto.. you.. can really--" What?? Bring peace? I knew Naruto wasn't going to get the rinnegan. But it woulda been nice if he got something like shinra tensa? Thats a defense move right? I don't know if thats something only someone with the rinnegan can use. But it would be nice for naruto to have a stronger defense.

 

[chopsy16]

I like your theory about Madara using his two sharingan eyes only during battle in order to save chakra. I never thought about that. But remeber that Madara/Tobi was able to extend his life span due to the Eternal Magekyou Sharingan which grants immortality to the user.

yea but not sure about the EMS giving immortality to the user.. It sure does give you an eternal MS.. wich is so powerful.. prob increases his chakra level exponentially thus explainin the long life too...even b4 that I knw madara himself saying to sasuke that he had higher chakra levels then most of other ppl in his clan.. havin EMS sure does give madara the edge.. Itachi does say he is immortal caz he cannot be defeated easily by anyone (only 1st hokage has done it as we knw).. but I have feeling he will go down in the end at the hands of Naruto.. as 4th himself said that in order to beat him u need some kinna special power so he sealed half of kyuubi chakra into Naruto so he can use it.... so the whole purpose of sealing kyuubi is to use its power to defeat madara..
I knw u prob knw all this too.. but i think he will b killed in the end..

 

[Naruto Power]

-I like the idea of one eye to save energy like kakashi.
-I also like what I said before maybe madaras bro burnt half his face when he tried to take his eyes. and only got one.
-that one transplanted eye gave him a diamention move same as kakashi. the one that took the guys arm.
-Madara has mastered it moves his body in to a diamention for longer life, also gets the 9 tails from there.
-tobi/madara shows it by goofing around with naruto. when naruto tried to hit him but went through him.
-if kakashi had the chakra he might be able to do that and not take any hits.

 

[naturo9]

with kakashi MS technique, can he send himself in different dimension then come back? if he indeed be able to do that, he will be more dangerous....hehehe

 

[culinaryg]

danzou fighting the 3rd n losing ....because he couldnt expose his sharingan or else he wont be hokage at all

madara saying danzou and the elders were responsible BECAUSE ITACHI REVEALED MADARA HELPED KILL HIS CLAN ...SASUKE SAID HELL GO KILL MADARA (zetsu knows) so he directed sasuke to the "real killers"....

i believe madara wants all the bijuus to unlock(super seal) to get his old poweres back n more


:sakura::naruto: 2 is better than 1 ....naruto knows it..........jk

 

[culinaryg]

oh yeah i dont think madara is a REAL villian but just the strongest opponent of a hero.....1st of all he wanted to be hokage so its up to him to protect his villagers so he must want ppl alive
2 almost every main villian has been misunderstood even oro ....gaara too
3 uhhhhh......i forgotwat i was about to say......


I DONT BELIEVE 100% DANZOU is madara i just like to argue comments that can be fixed

sorry for 2 posts forgot about editing....
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[ice palacio]

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but it is not yet translated

cant wait for 451

 

[donnic]

GEEEEZ im gonna miss this thread a bit im not gonna be on for 2 chapters to talk about them >.< and with my luck somthing amazing like when naruto's father jump in will happen. ah well mine as well leave my last prediction i think that Danzo and Madara are different because madara led Sasuke to Danzo and the elders why would he put himself on Sasukes hit list. i also think Danzo will make it to Hokage and will kill or banish shikamaru's dad from the leaf because next chapter hes gonna put up a hudge fight and piss off danzo and thus we see a bit of interasting things there and if he does kill people he can do it unseen after all he does have root behind him

 

[Itachi Sama]

danzou fighting the 3rd n losing ....because he couldnt expose his sharingan or else he wont be hokage at all

madara saying danzou and the elders were responsible BECAUSE ITACHI REVEALED MADARA HELPED KILL HIS CLAN ...SASUKE SAID HELL GO KILL MADARA (zetsu knows) so he directed sasuke to the "real killers"....

i believe madara wants all the bijuus to unlock(super seal) to get his old poweres back n more


:sakura::naruto: 2 is better than 1 ....naruto knows it..........jk

You forgot the part saying that Danzo had not been born when Madara was around. By the way, how would that work? The only way Madara "could be Danzo" is if the former were impersonating a character that really does not exist-since he had not been born during Madara's time-or was killed in order to infiltrate the Leaf Village.

 

[Itachi Sama]

oh yeah i dont think madara is a REAL villian but just the strongest opponent of a hero.....1st of all he wanted to be hokage so its up to him to protect his villagers so he must want ppl alive
2 almost every main villian has been misunderstood even oro ....gaara too
3 uhhhhh......i forgotwat i was about to say......


I DONT BELIEVE 100% DANZOU is madara i just like to argue comments that can be fixed

sorry for 2 posts forgot about editing....
PREDICTION:
does anyone else smell sharkfin soup?cant wait

He wanted to be Hokage to protect his own people, the Uchijas, not the rest of Konoha's inhabitants. He hated them, he never wanted peace between the Uchija and Forest clan.