naruto km and bm > sasuke ems

[naruto sennin]

Ummm let's see.

Help from katsuyu and ma and pa:

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Help from the toads:

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Help from the kyuubi:

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(Without the kyuubi's help he doesn't get out of chibaku tensei)

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Chance Pain had to kill Naruto but didn't because he needed him alive:

(1st time)

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(2nd time)

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(3rd time)

(If Naruto doesn't have the kyuubi's help then he dies here)

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Like I said Naruto had tons of help. Naruto was also getting wrecked by Nagato when he was in kyuubi chakra mode which is stronger than sm.

Your logic is horrible.

with your logic if you summon someone it doesn't count then. well with your logic pain had help too then , he had 6 other paths' summoned and all is summon animals. Come on the toads are all naruto's summons ! how does that count as help. just like the kyuubi is basically a summon it counts that naruto can summon it for help not that the kyuubi is helping.

 

[naruto sennin]

come on man , how does a summon not count as your battle strength! gtfo

 

[-Vegeta-]

with your logic if you summon someone it doesn't count then. well with your logic pain had help two then , he had 6 other paths' summoned and all is summon animals. Come on the toads are all naruto's summons ! how does that count as help. just like the kyuubi is basically a summon it counts that naruto can summon it for help not that the kyuubi is helping.

Sorry but Naruto never had any control of the kyuubi at that time so no he couldn't use its power at will. Also the op was saying that Naruto and Sasuke are equal without the kyuubi meaning Naruto doesn't have any power from kurama and that's completely false just as your accusation of Naruto beating Pain by himself.

Naruto had loads of help and would never I repeat NEVER defeat Pain(Nagato) 1v1 in SM. I've already shown you how many times Pain could've killed Naruto, but didn't due to needing him alive. Your logic fails so please just stop posting.

Stop being such a naruto fanboy and look at the facts. Naruto was getting wrecked by Nagato in kyuubi chakra mode which is stronger than sm.

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He had to be saved by Itachi.

 

[naruto sennin]

Sorry but Naruto never had any control of the kyuubi at that time so no he couldn't use its power at will. Also the op was saying that Naruto and Sasuke are equal without the kyuubi meaning Naruto doesn't have any power from kurama and that's completely false just as your accusation of Naruto beating Pain by himself.

Naruto had loads of help and would never I repeat NEVER defeat Pain(Nagato) 1v1 in SM. I've already shown you how many times Pain could've killed Naruto, but didn't due to needing him alive. Your logic fails so please just stop posting.

Stop being such a naruto fanboy and look at the facts. Naruto was getting wrecked by Nagato in kyuubi chakra mode which is stronger than sm.

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He had to be saved by Itachi.

i know what the originator of the thread said. those pics you just showed of naruto getting owned by nagato aren't accurate because the original discussion was between you and I was pain vs naruto ; not nagato vs naruto. clearly nagato with all 6 paths in one body will destroy anyone in his path! The only time naruto could have lost against pain was when he stuck the rods into him anytime before and after that naruto was keeping up. Again against pain not nagato. i realize they are one int the same, but nagato with all six paths in one body is way stronger than pain with 6 summoned rinnegan paths.

 

[-Vegeta-]

i know what the originator of the thread said. those pics you just showed of naruto getting owned by nagato aren't accurate because the original discussion was between you and I was pain vs naruto ; not nagato vs naruto. clearly nagato with all 6 paths in one body will destroy anyone in his path! The only time naruto could have lost against pain was when he stuck the rods into him anytime before and after that naruto was keeping up. Again against pain not nagato. i realize they are one int the same, but nagato with all six paths in one body is way stronger than pain with 6 summoned rinnegan paths.

Not like it matters because SM Naruto wouldn't defeat the six paths of Pain on his own. That means no information, no kyuubi, no katsuyu, etc. Naruto would've easily been dead right now if Pain had wanted that.

Anyway I'm done. You're clearly a Naruto fanboy who has no logic whatsoever so I see no point in continuing this debate.

 

[naruto sennin]

and im not a fanboy by any means, i just don't like people discounting other peoples accomplishments by twisting things around. for instance naruto fanboys always say sasuke gets his powers given to him by oro , itachi, and now tobi . sasuke fan boys always say naruto cant win without the kyuube. i don't like it when people discount sasuke and naruto's accomplishments with misstated facts.

 

[naruto sennin]

Not like it matters because SM Naruto wouldn't defeat the six paths of Pain on his own. That means no information, no kyuubi, no katsuyu, etc. Naruto would've easily been dead right now if Pain had wanted that.

Anyway I'm done. You're clearly a Naruto fanboy who has no logic whatsoever so I see no point in continuing this debate.

well no shit he woulda lost, without intel pain would have ass ****ed him the second he saw him.
and you give up way too easily, get some will of fire sohn!

 

[kotoamatsukami]

come on sohn, sage mode clearly was kicking a$$ the whole time, when nagato put the rods into naruto was the only time you can say nagato had the upper hand. The fox wouldn't have appeared in the battle at all if hinata wasn't stupid. naruto was holding his own again the strongest person in the manga at the time without help from the fox. besides the fox has been a part of naruto his he was conceived, naruto and the fox are one and expecially even more now that he has bm. Naruto has always had the fox just like sasuke has always had sharingan. sasuke born with sharingan, naruto born with fox. it will always be this way.

if u can remember deva path could not use his powers as soon as naruto got there thats the only reason he took out the other 5 in the first place useing only sage mode. an naruto was not born with the fox go bac an read the manga.....the nine tails is help unlike wat sasuke has he does wat he does by himself naruto always has help from the nine tails.

 

[-Vegeta-]

and im not a fanboy by any means, i just don't like people discounting other peoples accomplishments by twisting things around. for instance naruto fanboys always say sasuke gets his powers given to him by oro , itachi, and now tobi . sasuke fan boys always say naruto cant win without the kyuube. i don't like it when people discount sasuke and naruto's accomplishments with misstated facts.

I'm not twisting anything but facts are facts. Naruto had loads of help in his fight with Pain and wouldn't of beat him if Pain had wanted to kill him. Similarly like the battle between Sasuke and Itachi. If Itachi wanted to kill Sasuke then he would've been dead(Tobi's own words), so should we sit here and say Sasuke legitimately defeated Itachi? No.

 

[naruto sennin]

I'm not twisting anything but facts are facts. Naruto had loads of help in his fight with Pain and wouldn't of beat him if Pain had wanted to kill him. Similarly like the battle between Sasuke and Itachi. If Itachi wanted to kill Sasuke then he would've been dead(Tobi's own words), so should we sit here and say Sasuke legitimately defeated Itachi? No.

a W is a W last time i checked and wasn't tobi the one that said madara won the fight against hashirama even though hashirama won;So moral victories do count ! lol

 

[-Vegeta-]

a W is a W last time i checked and wasn't tobi the one that said madara won the fight against hashirama even though hashirama won;So moral victories do count ! lol

If Itachi was trying to kill Sasuke then he'd be dead and it's the same way with Pain.

SM Naruto would never defeat Pain in a 1v1 if Pain's trying to kill. That should be as clear as day, but obviously to Naruto fanboys it's not.

 

[teutonicknite]

Did you just say moral "Victory" doesnt count! If I convince a guy to kill(sacrifice) himself to save my buddies... I would me in a maximum security prison with a gag to prevent "poisoning of minds!"

Madara is an edo. Hes dead! If the plan fails, he stays dead! It may succeed but the other guy wants to be king - he remains dead!

 

[naruto sennin]

If Itachi was trying to kill Sasuke then he'd be dead and it's the same way with Pain.

SM Naruto would never defeat Pain in a 1v1 if Pain's trying to kill. That should be as clear as day, but obviously to Naruto fanboys it's not.

yup everyone who doesn't agree with you is clearly a fan boy. and i already told you that itachi would sh!t on sasuke if he wanted to , and so would pain but guess what in the battle they were in sasuke and naruto won! you really think pain wasn't trying in the end , you think he wanted to lose ? His fight was to capture naruto and he lost. itachi lost because his fight to free his brother from all the hate and shield him from finding the truth but clearly that didn't happen.

 

[-Vegeta-]

yup everyone who doesn't agree with you is clearly a fan boy. and i already told you that itachi would sh!t on sasuke if he wanted to , and so would pain but guess what in the battle they were in sasuke and naruto won! you really think pain wasn't trying in the end , you think he wanted to lose ? His fight was to capture naruto and he lost. itachi lost because his fight to free his brother from all the hate and shield him from finding the truth but clearly that didn't happen.

Yes they lost and neither were trying to kill their opponent. If they were then they both would've won. That much is obvious.

Anyway I'm out.

 

[naruto sennin]

Yes they lost and neither were trying to kill their opponent. If they were then they both would've won. That much is obvious.

Anyway I'm out.

thanks for restating everything i just said, clearly you have a higher IQ and read the manga cause i dont know what im talking about.

 

[devojoyti halder]

Naruto = Egg

Sasuke = Chicken

Now tell who comes first, when you will give a valid answer, the winner will be chosed.

 

[naruto sennin]

Naruto = Egg

Sasuke = Chicken

Now tell who comes first, when you will give a valid answer, the winner will be chosed.

well i cum first before my hoes do but what are you talking about man? sasuke is older than naruto and i thought the thread was Km and Bm > sasuke ems; not who is the egg and who is the chicken. please fill me in on the chapter kishi said eggs and chickens are relevant to the manga.

 

[naruto sennin]

Did you just say moral "Victory" doesnt count! If I convince a guy to kill(sacrifice) himself to save my buddies... I would me in a maximum security prison with a gag to prevent "poisoning of minds!"

Madara is an edo. Hes dead! If the plan fails, he stays dead! It may succeed but the other guy wants to be king - he remains dead!

actually you wouldn't be in jail for that you wouldn't even get charged, the act and intent to kill were not done by you! i know this because i used to be a criminal justice major lol. and um last time i checked madara's soul is alive in the impure world owning 5 kages right now. Besides his plan was to get revived by nagato. tobi just needs to do now since he has the rinnegan.

 

[-Vegeta-]

thanks for restating everything i just said, clearly you have a higher IQ and read the manga cause i dont know what im talking about.

*Sigh* considering you were the one who was just sitting here trying to tell me SM Naruto beat Pain by himself tells me you don't know what you're talking.

 

[naruto sennin]

*Sigh* considering you were the one who was just sitting here trying to tell me SM Naruto beat Pain by himself tells me you don't know what you're talking.

you gotta realize after a while im clearly just saying things to get under your skin. this is what i think: i think sage mode is powerful and can hold its own again pain , not nagato. Naruto did get help from kyuubi but i consider kyuubi as part of naruto's ninja tools ; just like every other summons. that is why i don't like you saying pain would win if it wasn't for kyuubi. we can argue the point if the kyuubi is really a ninja tool or not but my position is firm on SM having the strength to stay on par with pain. everything thing else was speculative and assertions i made from reading the manga mainly to get you annoyed. Again we can argue the point if kyuubi is a ninja tool or not but the sm can hold its own against pain is my opinion.


* i have class in ten minutes so i want be able to respond to you for like an hour