Naruto Isn't Any Better Than Sasuke When it Comes To Kaguya's S/T Technique...

[Lana Del Taka]

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Atleast he isn't obeying his master's orders.

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[Dantee]

Naruto isn't a scrub though, he can actually dodge Kaguya.

Naruto would be in a block of ice.

 

[Blackwatch]

Haters gonna hate, but denying certified canon is wrong.

Naruto has far superior reflexes to Sasuke.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Can't really disprove Naruto has better reflexes than Sasuke. Ignoring this recent chapter, Naruto could fight limbo clones through sensing, meanwhile sasuke needed his eyes to see them.

I agree that Naruto fighting Limbo Madara was an awesome feat, but this has little to do with him being able to counter Kaguya's jutsu. People are making it seem that Naruto is untouchable, unlike Sasuke for getting trapped in another dimension. The funny thing is Kaguya has overwhelmed both of them with her S/T technique -- this can't be denied by you, me, or anyone else for that matter. I've never payed to much attention to Naruto and Sasuke's reflexes, but i will say that Naruto isn't bad at all. Both of them, Naruto and Sasuke, have good reflexes. Naruto might have an edge and i'm just being honest with what i can recall. But i consider them equals.

I partially agree.

I definitely agree that this chapter nor this feat was something that should've been used to demerit Sasuke.

However yes, whether you like it or not, it was a worthy feat. Seeing the move happen a few times doesn't make it much easier to avoid it because it's not the type of attack you can just time. You don't know when Kaguya is going to try to grab you into another dimension. Thus the reason Kaguya herself commented on how fast Naruto is. This is also the reason Naruto made that comment; he didn't know where she would attack next because, again, you can't time or predict exactly where she'll come from, meaning Naruto had to rely purely on his focus and instinct (aka sensing) to avoid being caught off guard again. The only thing seeing the attack did for Naruto was tell him that he needed to focus more. Sasuke probably could've avoided it too had he been more focused at the time, in which if he had, it would be a testament to his skill as well.

Honestly this is the same thing as when he dodged Madara's limbo. When Naruto is actually alert, he's hard to hit due to his ability to sense danger that he can't see. The key is, just as it is for Sasuke, that he has to be paying attention. Well that, and Sasuke has to rely more on his actual eye sight. But you get the point. Everyone should just give Naruto his due credit, and leave Sasuke alone

Great post! We need more people like you in Narutobase. I won't take Naruto's feat for dodging Kaguya's technique, but i don't think it's fair to discredit Sasuke either. I mean Naruto hasn't avoided her S/T Technique prior to this chapter, so there's no reason to inflate his accomplishment of dodging her.

And Narutards say Sasuke fans are worse than Naruto fanboys Lol. Naruto fapboys are the worst.

Indeed. It's very sad and unfortunate.

Funny how people hype up sage mode sensing with others (jman, kabuto) but still say Naruto has worse or even sensing/reflexes with sasuke who has no sage mode of any kind.

When i saw Kabuto against the Uchiha Bros, i felt his skills were better than Naruto quite frankly. Also, Sasuke in base form without Sharingan has good reflexes, when you add the Sharingan it increases his capabilities. You don't need Sage Mode to have great reflexes, you know.

Haters gonna hate, but denying certified canon is wrong.

Naruto has far superior reflexes to Sasuke.

"far superior" is a stretch. Naruto can either equal or surpass him to a certain degree. What you're basically insinuating is that Sasuke has reflexes at the level of an Anbu, while Naruto is at Kage level. Sage Mode gives him an edge over Sasuke, but i wouldn't go around saying it's significant either.

 

[NukaCola]

I know Sasuke has great survival instincts, but if Kishi really makes him drink his own pee, I'm protesting on behalf of Sasuke fans. Thats just crazy

Sasuke needs to step up

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[Dantee]

Sasuke needs to step up

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please dont feed the trolls.

 

[Chubbypanda]

First Naruto can't sense things in dimensions at all, that's why he sensed her after she came out. But wait the sheet man all u talking about is Naruto sensing don't you understand that Naruto can sense her in her dimensions, so when she enters and is coming out gain at the back of them it is completely random and she is sneaky so Naruto can't sense her and her stealth is what caught Sasuke. Sasuke was off guard and the pulled him in he was trapped and so was Naruto they are like mice in a lions den. where she will come out is unknown unless she jumps out if front of them then but, they can't do shit right now. And Naruto reflexes are good he just needs to get used and accustomed to kaguya jumping through dimensions even kaguya Naruto had great reflexes, Sasuke need to step up his game though.

and Naruto chakra arms are not fast enough to reach so far down and reach Sasuke and pick him up and bring him back the logical thing was to get the dimension so Naruto would jump in and get Sasuke cause if he was using his chakra arms umm the dimensions would have closed already.

I would like to say those Naruto fans you are talking about are not real Naruto fans if they are as you speak.

I was reading your thread piece by piece and typing so yeah you mostly have it correct, cause what i basically said here you already understand in in your thread but red the piece about why Naruto tried to open the dimension but don't let those Naruto fans get to you, real Naruto fans would be more logical.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Excuses, excuses

Sasuke had already seen Kaguya's tech once, He even saw her hand going through the rift and still couldnt react to it

Naruto reacted to it, Let it go

 

[NukaCola]

please dont feed the trolls.

What are you talking about?, survival feats are really cool.

 

[blackstar9]

fapboys these days . sasuke has sharingan of course he has good reflexes .

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Baby Sausage is exhausted:

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Needs daddy Obito to make the boo-boo go away.

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BUHAHAHAHAH XD XD XD

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Naruto is stronger and faster than sasuke.Deal with it U_U
Naruto is stronger and faster

 

[BraveStorm]

Its amazing how much effort you put to make Sasuke seem less fodder..

Naruto dodged
Sasuke didn't

Thats all there is to it.

 

[shelke]

Agreed. I would suggest to ignore the obvious Naruto-die Hards on NB. It'll only create more nonsense. This chapter proved that Naruto didn't have a clue about how to dodge or evade the Nature Based attacks.

Naruto isn't a scrub though, he can actually dodge Kaguya.

Oh so that's why he was slapped around?

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[lucario14]

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. Plus the only reason naruto can dodge them is because he saw sasuke being taken in, so he knows what will happen next. Kaguya targeted sasuke first because she knew sasuke would trouble her more than naruto in the

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[shelke]

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. Plus the only reason naruto can dodge them is because he saw sasuke being taken in, so he knows what will happen next. Kaguya targeted sasuke first because she knew sasuke would trouble her more than naruto in the

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Exactly. This chapter proved that Naruto has no means of reacting to her Nature based attacks, when Sasuke does. No wonder she threw Sasuke out.

 

[Turson]

Naruto and Sasuke have reflexes on the same level, but Naruto has better body speed which allows him to make better use of his relfexes than Sasuke. Still, its strange that Sasuke didnt use his s/t technique to get away from Kaguyas grip.

 

[lucario14]

Naruto and Sasuke have reflexes on the same level, but Naruto has better body speed which allows him to make better use of his relfexes than Sasuke. Still, its strange that Sasuke didnt use his s/t technique to get away from Kaguyas grip.

@bold is what I think the answer is. He can't use it when in contact with anything which is why he couldn't use it when she grabbed him with her hair and the second time holding his neck, before black zetsu latched onto him and naruto.

 

[Turson]

@bold is what I think the answer is. He can't use it when in contact with anything which is why he couldn't use it when she grabbed him with her hair and the second time holding his neck, before black zetsu latched onto him and naruto.

Anything? I think its too far fetched. It would mean that Sasuke can only use his technique while being naked in mid air, which is not the case. IMO there are three possible explanation:
1. Kaguya did something so he couldnt use it
2. Technique wasnt ready to use
3. Plot no Jutsu

 

[Rustled]

fapboys blame Naruto because he couldn't save Sasuke.. :|

 

[lanakui8]

Here are some panels to debunk Naruto's great reflexes:

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- A lot of you seem to remember this chapter when Kaguya got behind both Naruto and Sasuke! Both of them were surprised to see Kaguya behind them; however, why didn't Naruto dodge it and warn Sasuke? Where's these so called skills? I don't see them. Naruto might be one of the best sensors, but that doesn't mean much against Kaguya -- you should know they were caught with ease. At the most, Naruto and Sasuke sensed her after she got out the crack of the dimension that she was hiding.

Naruto didn't know she could travel through dimensions like that or pop up behind him out of nowhere, in the last chapter he knows of this so he's more mentally prepared to sense it and react to it.

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- After Naruto's Reverse Harem Jutsu, Naruto and Sasuke tried to seal Kaguya with the moon and sun crescent marks only to fail. Kaguya immobilized Naruto and Sasuke from touching her, while she decided to move through dimensions with her S/T Technique. At that time, Naruto's response was "She vanished", if he knew what was going on, why didn't he say "Look over there." The hype is unreal...

? Naruto can't sense her once she's in another dimension, that's why he said 'she vanished'. Once she reappears naruto immediately knows her location, you can even see it in the scan you provided.

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- Finally, the controversial scan that Naruto fanboys are using to prove an illogical point. Sure, Kaguya caught Sasuke with her technique and sent him to another dimension. The question is why didn't Naruto do anything about it? Surely, Naruto could of saved Sasuke with his superb sensory skills and reflexes, right? But why didn't he do it? Why was his response the following: "Eh!" (Which is the same response that he used when Sasuke used his S/T technique against Madara!)

yep, naruto was just as surprised as sasuke was as that was the first time kaguya used that kind of teleportation where she only warps a body part instead of going into the entire dimension on her own.

That's because Naruto didn't know Kaguya was after Sasuke! Naruto not doing anything shows me that he isn't any better than Sasuke. Both of them were caught off guard by her technique, not just Sasuke alone... So don't use excuses about how Naruto is better than Sasuke just because Kaguya decided to send Sasuke to another dimension. (You would think BZ saying let's separate them was after Sasuke using his Kagutsuchi to free himself and Naruto would have something to do with Sasuke being the obvious choice to send away.) (The bottom line is Naruto can't do nothing against Kaguya, which the same applies to Sasuke.) (Kaguya transporting Sasuke shows me that BZ feels that Sasuke is clearly the better tactician of the two.)

Or Sasuke was the easier one to grab since he doesn't have sensing like naruto?

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- In this scan, Naruto fails to save Sasuke. Why didn't Naruto use his chakra arms to pull Sasuke out of the dimension? Those aren't great skills! You're telling me that you're using your hands to make the dimension gate stay open? I don't get Naruto sometimes; he could of used better judgment skills at that time.

think about it. If Naruto had tried to pull sasuke out of the dimension and the dimension closed while sasuke is only half-way through, what happens to sasuke?

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- Why is Naruto saying "Does This Mean I Can't Tell Where She'll Show Up Next?" Isn't that obvious?

yeah cuz he can't sense her while she's in her box dimension, but when she come out of it he knows...

This chapter doesn't prove that Naruto is ahead of Sasuke, if anything it means they both need each other to defeat her. None of them can do it alone, not even Naruto can beat her. TIP: Stop believing your own delusional minds, Naruto fanboys... You just tried so hard to prove that your Naruto is the best at everything, but the truth is he needs Sasuke to slay Kaguya! Deal With It!

agreed, they need each other to beat her and both are on the same level.