Naruto is running out of counter-arguments

[Natsu Shazneel]

True. But name me one place in the world that have done it Naruto's way? Name me one place in the world that be like, "I forgive you even though you took about 200 of my people and rape and kill them for fun"?

There is none. Naruto's way is more of a fictional thinking than a realistic one. I think Kishi is trying to use Naruto's way to tell the world his vision of peace.

 

[Konohas gelber Blitz]

Lel that's because Naruto doesn't exactly know how to respond to pure bullshit Sasuke's been speaking, nothing more U_U

This here ^^^^^^^^^^

 

[V h o]

More conflict, BUT they won't be hurting each other. They will be bonding with each other to overthrow Sasuke. The lines between each nations will disappear for good at some point.

Exact same thing applies to SA, yet that is being discredited.

Secondly is Sasuke suppose to just play dead and not fight back? Because if he does it's definitely going to be a blood-path either in small or large quantities. And if he just plays dead, the Nations will go back to normal since his "threat" is gone. Either way you slice it, cooperation is needed, cooperation when there is no threat.

 

[Nagi]

There is none. Naruto's way is more of a fictional thinking than a realistic one. I think Kishi is trying to use Naruto's way to tell the world his vision of peace.

That's sad. No anime ever picked that solution. Well Gundam 00 did by making everybody read each other emotions but even then, they made the whole world hate them first. Kishi gonna go with sasuke's way. lelouch from code geass, treize from gundam wing, Kira, death note. There are more anime out there that prove that Sasuke's way is a far better method than Naruto(Everybody understand each other and forgive each other, even if your wife was gang raped by hidden leaf ninjas).

 

[ANiMUS]

Exact same thing applies to SA, yet that is being discredited.

Secondly is Sasuke suppose to just play dead and not fight back? Because if he does it's definitely going to be a blood-path either in small or large quantities. And if he just plays dead, the Nations will go back to normal since his "threat" is gone. Either way you slice it, cooperation is needed, cooperation when there is no threat.

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Sasuke doesn't have to fight really he can control things from the shadows. Tbh, just getting around his genjutsu will be difficult enough. Besides the bonds through SA aren't being discredited, they r just temporary.

 

[V h o]

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Sasuke doesn't have to fight really he can control things from the shadows. Tbh, just getting around his genjutsu will be difficult enough. Besides the bonds through SA aren't being discredited, they r just temporary.

So basically a pseudo peace through manipulation again? Similarly to IT?

Edit: Care to elaborate on how the bonds are not being discredited, becasue it seems to be me that Sasuke is just trying to keep a state of fear over the people, to maintain his form of order and peace.

 

[Nagi]

Exact same thing applies to SA, yet that is being discredited.

Secondly is Sasuke suppose to just play dead and not fight back? Because if he does it's definitely going to be a blood-path either in small or large quantities. And if he just plays dead, the Nations will go back to normal since his "threat" is gone. Either way you slice it, cooperation is needed, cooperation when there is no threat.

SA? Sasuke won't attack the nations head on. He will wait for problems surface, then kill the source even if it the kage. He not gonna slaughter innocent people. But for now, he want to kill the 5 kages so all nations stay together.

As i said before, If naruto become hokage, the 5 nations will go back to normal then request something from another nation. Once that nation say no, fear will be birthed. History will repeat itself. Hidden leaf will become a target fast because other nations gonna be like it unfair that they have a ninja who is basically a God.

By Sasuke being a villain, the nations won't have time to wage war over dumb shit between each nations. They all will be bonding and preparing to fight against Sasuke.

 

[LeSauce]

I think you are misunderstanding speechless with frustration. He is frustrated at sasuke's stubborness. He will have the last word if Sasuke is going to be changed..


Naruto left speechless in a villain confrontation? oh man that can't be possible.


Also, from what i got is.. that Naruto is making Sasuke tell his entire plan.. something smart people usually do..


You stated that "Sasuke counters with reality stating" .... but is it reality? Because sasuke just stated it was the villains who united the shinobi world.... is that the reality?

There's more proof for him not having an answer. Naruto's shown that when he's frustrated he actually screams at the person, I don't ever remember him staying quiet.

 

[ANiMUS]

So basically a pseudo peace through manipulation again? Similarly to IT?

At least he is giving them a reality that won't result in them turning into Zetsu since that was apparently MT's purpose that Madz didn't know about.

Tbh, its either Pseudo peace or temporary peace. Pick your poison.

 

[Nagi]

So basically a pseudo peace through manipulation again? Similarly to IT?

Edit: Care to elaborate on how the bonds are not being discredited, becasue it seems to be me that Sasuke is just trying to keep a state of fear over the people, to maintain his form of order and peace.

That is the key! People have no reason to have order and peace if there is no fear. If everybody learn that Naruto will forgive you if you kill hundreds of people, why would you follow peace?

 

[Nagi]

At least he is giving them a reality that won't result in them turning into Zetsu since that was apparently MT's purpose that Madz didn't know about.

Tbh, its either Pseudo peace or temporary peace. Pick your poison.

Sasuke might be better off casting infinite izanami on everybody. Force everybody to acknowledge him/her-self.

 

[V h o]

SA? Sasuke won't attack the nations head on. He will wait for problems surface, then kill the source even if it the kage. He not gonna slaughter innocent people. But for now, he want to kill the 5 kages so all nations stay together.

As i said before, If naruto become hokage, the 5 nations will go back to normal then request something from another nation. Once that nation say no, fear will be birthed. History will repeat itself. Hidden leaf will become a target fast because other nations gonna be like it unfair that they have a ninja who is basically a God.

By Sasuke being a villain, the nations won't have time to wage war over dumb shit between each nations. They all will be bonding and preparing to fight against Sasuke.

So you ignore Naruto's ideal of cooperation and claim that Naruto will not be able to get the SA to work together? (Obviously cooperation is in Naruto's future, since Kishi has portrayed all Ashura's reps to want peace through cooperation as opposed to Indra's reps who want peace through might).

Secondly if Sasuke's attacks the the leaders/problems directly with violence then surely there will be conflict either soon or later. They will join in mass against Sasuke. The world verse Sasuke, you can decide that outcome for yourself.

Also what would the nations ask of another nation to spark a war or conflict? Give me you're land/people?

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That is the key! People have no reason to have order and peace if there is no fear. If everybody learn that Naruto will forgive you if you kill hundreds of people, why would you follow peace?

Yeah and fear is what is keeping America from bombing Canada....

At least he is giving them a reality that won't result in them turning into Zetsu since that was apparently MT's purpose that Madz didn't know about.

Tbh, its either Pseudo peace or temporary peace. Pick your poison.

How is it temporary peace? Do you believe America would go to war with France? I mean America has aided France like what 3 times? Surely this is not everlasting, and war is coming right?

 

[ANiMUS]

So basically a pseudo peace through manipulation again? Similarly to IT?

Edit: Care to elaborate on how the bonds are not being discredited, becasue it seems to be me that Sasuke is just trying to keep a state of fear over the people, to maintain his form of order and peace.

He is just saying that those bonds will only last for so long. Whether it passes away this generation, or the next, or even the one after that eventually things will fall back to where they started because you can't guarantee that everyone's kid is going to inherit the same desire to want to protect peace.

So you ignore Naruto's ideal of cooperation and claim that Naruto will not be able to get the SA to work together? (Obviously cooperation is in Naruto's future, since Kishi has portrayed all Ashura's reps to want peace through cooperation as opposed to Indra's reps who want peace through might).

Secondly if Sasuke's attacks the the leaders/problems directly with violence then surely there will be conflict either soon or later. They will join in mass against Sasuke. The world verse Sasuke, you can decide that outcome for yourself.

Also what would the nations ask of another nation to spark a war or conflict? Give me you're land/people?

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Yeah and fear is what is keeping America from bombing Canada....



How is it temporary peace? Do you believe America would go to war with France? I mean America has aided France like what 3 times? Surely this is not everlasting, and war is coming right?

Since when has america been at peace? XD Besides y fight someone if u have no reason. We are all on the same side. Have u not seen the stuff we have been doing to the middle east. We have sown seeds of hatred in a lot of places. It only a matter of time before someone declares war on us.

 

[Nagi]

So you ignore Naruto's ideal of cooperation and claim that Naruto will not be able to get the SA to work together? (Obviously cooperation is in Naruto's future, since Kishi has portrayed all Ashura's reps to want peace through cooperation as opposed to Indra's reps who want peace through might).

Secondly if Sasuke's attacks the the leaders/problems directly with violence then surely there will be conflict either soon or later. They will join in mass against Sasuke. The world verse Sasuke, you can decide that outcome for yourself.

Also what would the nations ask of another nation to spark a war or conflict? Give me you're land/people?



How is it temporary peace? Do you believe America would go to war with France? I mean America has aided France like what 3 times? Surely this is not everlasting, and war is coming right?

OMG! lol that is the point. They will all be busy at going against Sasuke that the nations won't be able to hate each other. Sasuke is hated on is the key to keep all the nations together as long he is alive!

Naruto's ideal of cooperation is what? talk-no-jutsu? No war, no problem, no issues = no reason to cooperate! They will all go back to their nations.

Nations will request something no matter what. Or somebody's advisor gonna be like it kinda unfair that hidden leaf got so much power now. It is human nature! It is biology!

 

[V h o]

He is just saying that those bonds will only last for so long. Whether it passes away this generation, or the next, or even the one after that eventually things will fall back to where they started because you can't guarantee that everyone's kid is going to inherit the same desire to want to protect peace.



Since when has america been at peace? XD have u not seen the stuff we have been doing to the middle east. We have sown seeds of hatred in a lot of places. It only a matter of time before someone declares war on us.

And what happens when Sasuke's power is outmatched? Because that is definitely a possibility. What happens when the sole pillar breaks/weakens.

Are we allies with the middle east, as opposed to France or Canada?

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OMG! lol that is the point. They will all be busy at going against Sasuke that the nations won't be able to hate each other. Sasuke is hated on is the key to keep all the nations together as long he is alive!

Naruto's ideal of cooperation is what? talk-no-jutsu? No war, no problem, no issues = no reason to cooperate! They will all go back to their nations.

Nations will request something no matter what. Or somebody's advisor gonna be like it kinda unfair that hidden leaf got so much power now. It is human nature! It is biology!

So basically you're saying cooperation is impossible with people....even for trade. And that there must be a threat to keep unity...

 

[Nagi]

Yeah and fear is what is keeping America from bombing Canada....

If Naruto was the president of the USA with his ideal(Which is basically forgive no matter what), Im gonna rob several banks, steal several shit, do whatever i wanna do because Naruto gonna forgive me. Other nations gonna be like, "naruto forgive people? Go kidnap 1000 kids so we can rape and kill them, naruto will forgive us."

 

[BlazeRelease]

Lel that's because Naruto doesn't exactly know how to respond to pure bullshit Sasuke's been speaking, nothing more U_U

Lol some excuse

 

[LeSauce]

And what happens when Sasuke's power is outmatched? Because that is definitely a possibility. What happens when the sole pillar breaks/weakens.

Are we allies with the middle east, as opposed to France or Canada?

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So basically you're saying cooperation is impossible with people....even for trade. And that there must be a threat to keep unity...

There's no way Sasuke would lose. Anyone who could pose a threat is dead, or has lost their power, all that's left is Naruto.

 

[Nagi]

And what happens when Sasuke's power is outmatched? Because that is definitely a possibility. What happens when the sole pillar breaks/weakens.

Are we allies with the middle east, as opposed to France or Canada?

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So basically you're saying cooperation is impossible with people....even for trade. And that there must be a threat to keep unity...

umm hello The great ninja war 1, the great ninja war 2, the great ninja war 3......All three of those wars was caused over trade, somebody not getting what they want. The 1st hokage gave out tails beasts hoping that the nations would be fair with each other...SO yes there must be a threat to keep unity!

 

[ANiMUS]

And what happens when Sasuke's power is outmatched? Because that is definitely a possibility. What happens when the sole pillar breaks/weakens.

Are we allies with the middle east, as opposed to France or Canada?

Sasuke's power outmatched? by what?

That is kinda my point. Sasuke is striving to achieve world peace. Alliances are used to put up a bigger front against enemies to discourage attacks from outside forces. Alliances are easy especially when u have good relations with other nations, but these nations have bad. But Sasuke wants to keep ppl from being at each others throats all together.